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The SAS Factory - Tech Help, Ancient Mods etc. => IL-2 Great Battles => The Keepsake: Old Mod Packs, Game Versions and Guest Mods => IL-2 Great Battles Lounge => Topic started by: CWMV on March 25, 2015, 11:42:31 AM
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I can't believe these f@$!ing stalinists!
http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/15325-game-version-1010-discussion/?p=246349
We have added a new rule today
18. Claiming that FM is incorrect without the required proof and starting a flame thread based on such claim is prohibited.
The form for an FM claim consists of:
short but consistent description of the claim;
link to a reference and to a specific part of such reference that describes correct behaviour of a disputed element/situation;
game track record and the list of conditions used to recreate disputed element/situation.
Not following this form in its entirety will result in locking (locking and deleting) such thread and also in the following:
Single offense - 1 days ban on entry
Just FYI - I've updated the forum rules with p.18 that you'll find quoted above. It's not retroactive, so nobody will throw bans left and right. Still some topics may be locked down.
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The "Single offense - 1 days ban on entry" is a bit too much in my opinion but for the rest of it I agree.
I've seen very often BOS members/founders claiming the FM is incorrect of whatever plane but never ever show up with any evidence.
Neither after several requests by the team to post or PM them with charts, historical info etc.
And in case members do show up with the necessary info the team is willing to change it.
See here:
http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/11664-fm-claims-respond/ (http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/11664-fm-claims-respond/)
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I agree with Uuff, we see it in here every week, year after year it come a new guy in and start a discussion started over a hundreds of times before.
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agree...
if you wanna debate the FM/DM thing you better show up front taht you know what you are talking about...
"got chart"?
does not concern me, as i avoid these topics.
because they are indeed very difficult.
and tiring.
and get on my nerves.
and OKL whine
and VVS whine
and a aLOT of EGO.
so the door for discussion stays open. nobody has to agree. to any damn effin thing.
but if you disagree and throw a hissy fit and drop poo on the Devs, you better know exactly what you are onto, and bring a big Book of "here this is the right data" or else just shut the hell up (enforced via lock+ban)
sounds like something i would do too. makes sense.
Shut up and agree with comrade loft already!
change that to
shut up if you can't bring proper Data to the Debate
and you are close to how i see it / closer to the intended message
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Wow, didn't expect such statists here.
Seen in the light of previous statements by this dev team it's pretty clearly nothing of the above at all, merely a way to threaten the vocal CFS veterans on the board.
Let's not forget;
"Your sources don't match ours so piss off"
"Well what do your sources say dev team, because these (links) say otherwise."
"Never you mind what our sources say! They are super secrete soviet super sources that are best!"
"Yes because the soviets were known for their even handed and unbiased nature..."
"!!! You disrespect red army!!! BAN!"
And my personal favorite
"Make our meta critic score higher or well take our football and go home!" *pout, stamps feet*
These guys are like children, and their motives should be viewed as such.
Or tyrants. Children or tyrants.
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LoL those quotes seem very accurate :)
We get it you have a very strong dislike for the 1CGS team and 'soviets' in general, but I would not let your bias get in the way, with a lot of recent updates many of the issues some people had are withering away and it is shaping up to be a very playable sim
I'm afraid some of your posts come across more like the last bit of your assertion :( unless that WAS an attempt at humour
Cheers Dakpilot
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Why does everyone waste time on these kind of things, argue with one another and so? I mean, holy crap, there's 2 FREAKING PAGES, 2 on that, but guess how many, countless and endless amounts of pages, forums, threads and posts there are on flaming one another, bit****g at devs, and reverse, vise versa, etc... I mean, I KNOW what it's like, and I KNOW you want to support things and so, and have your say and correct things to be perfect, but remember, there's no need to go down to their level to level with them.. Don't give them what they want; they want shit, give them shit and let them give, just don't involve yourself, or take it to private communities to mod and so, like we do. Hell, without any doubt, has SAS made IL-2 1946 FB WAY more interactive, sophisticated and amazing; look at the talent we have here... Now, I don't mean to start arguments or anything, but thought that I'd have my say.
Toodles~
(Dun h8 pl0x, I com3 in peace.)
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****** you calling me a statist in public.
there is a PM function for insults like that.
and statist or not, that's a matter of political affliaition, and not a subject i discuss.
I mean, i do not call you a member of the tea bag party, republisher party, demented party, or an indented party member or something...
so don't call me a statist.
i get it. i am from yurep. but my party and clubbing preferences have nothing to do with my points of view concerning BoS and how they run their forums.
...damn....
always pushing me, that guy is...
for the record, i ain' no statist, i do my own goddamn thinking, vote green, and have no party affiliation whatsoever.
believe it or not.
matter closed.
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@CWMV:
All sites have their rules.
Go to the SAS chat room and post a technical question. After the 1st warning post an image in the screenshot section of a (WIP) mod that is not available on one of the boards here and SAS gives you a temporary vacation.
Got nothing to do with stalinism, soviets or statists.
Those kinda rules have to be applied because members won't listen. Not even after many kindly asked requests.
Patience is a virtue. But it does have its limits.
Remember that only the usual suspects on BOS site start shouting that they don't agree with the new rule.
For others it feels like a relief that the same old annoying song, topic after topic, comes to an end. The difference is they don't ventilate it on the boards.
By the way, in case you might think I agree with the BOS team 'cause I am a founder or a tester. I don't have the game at all.
I don't like BOS very much as it is and am still on the fence. Waiting for better times to come. If ever.
I posted over there what and why I don't like it. But posting it over and over again, like some others do, is just pathetic.
I've got more to do in life than spamming the forums with my opinion.
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I don't have the game at all.
So I'm one step ahead:
I have it, but didn't play it since 6 weeks or so, and I'm not in the mood yet to try again.
By the way "try again": Don't try again to test the limits of our rules please.
No threat, no insult, just a hint that this thread is being watched.
Best regards - Mike
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I have it, but didn't play it since 6 weeks or so, and I'm not in the mood yet to try again.
Perhaps that one and only snow covered map brings you into a winter depression.
A sumptuous green summer map might possibly cheer you up. : ;D
Don't worry about testing limits.
Was only meant as an example that each forum does have its rules.
Cheers and happy flying, bombing, strafing, vulching, crashing. :D
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haven't played since 1.008... i guess. skipped 1.009, and haven't touched 1.010.
by the rate this is going, i will retire before they have covered the eastern front from the north to the south, from 40 to 45. and it will cost about a thousand bucks too.
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When people criticised the colors we used on the russian default skin upgrade project my only response was the name of the book I worked from (Pilawskii: Soviet Air Force Fighter Colours 1941-45). I asked for their sources/book titles. I was simply saying that I dont have a reliable second source. The answer was: silence, nobody was able to come up with anything new.
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it will cost about a thousand bucks
That we knew from the very beginning, it's 777's business model, no secret and nothing new either.
nobody was able to come up with anything new
Ask them for their "feeling" and you get a thousand replies :D
I see what you mean and because of this, I somehow understand what the BoS devs did and why they did it.
Maybe the timing could have needed some improvement.
I mean when the latest breathtaking enhancements consist of a tech chart, a transport plane and a payware addon then you might not have the best reputation among the community so it might be better to wait for good news before you place you next punch ;)
Best regards - Mike
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The other thing is that I played the original IL-2 Sturmovik in 2001, it was super slow on my pc and didnt look that exciting. I returned to it in 2004 and was so impressed that I'm still here.
So let's give the BoS devs a little break and some more time. :)
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it will cost about a thousand bucks
That we knew from the very beginning, it's 777's business model, no secret and nothing new either.
Best regards - Mike
See?
you are focussing on the irrelevant crap ... yet again!
this is a hobby, and the computer/software is my only sin. so... money is not an issue. I can always do a little extra to keep the machine running all right for the software i want.
But TIME, man... they need to
start 50 planes in paralel,
have one dude working on carrier ops related matters
one guy for the ships department only [rowing boat to Yamamoto...]
have two extra dudes work on the desert scenery
hire one man who does nothing but research german Jabo ops with 190F in 1944
+one dude writing proper AI routines for that...
I want to see this one DONE before the end of the Effin decade, see?
screw money.
i can always steal a new computer and the game itself.
but how miserable is my life gonna be with no proper CFS?
Tell me THAT! Fuuuuuuu! *ragequit*
edit... pills. where are my pills.
edit II - they deserve to be hated... do they? tell me they do.
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Before I'm gonna tell you, let me start by stating that your "1" key bounces when it's getting pressed together with the "Shift" key.
If money is no issue, you might want to get that fixed first.
Best regards - Mike
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yea, it's annoying, right?
:D
have to steal a new keyboard first i guess.
so what do i do this afternoon... Hmm!
(edit: erased surplus exclamation marks)
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Okay so...
you are focussing on the irrelevant crap ... yet again!
Time to relax.
(http://s17.postimg.cc/56hywdqj3/would_do_well_to_slow_down_a_little.jpg)
Best regards - Mike
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so i lmgtfy'd that... just as you taught me.
and nobody seems to have consistent answers to the question: what is significant? what matters most?
The only thing i repeatedly found is that a significant portion of humans ... well... yea.
Agree with Loft... agree with uncle Oleg... boring subject really.
We should discuss what stefan molyneux has to say, versus the accusation of statism in this thread.
i gather that would be a most significant matter to focus on (same words, a bit re-arranged)
genius... isn't it.
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the accusation of statism
While maintaining your image of being blunt or even rude, you're now trying to play the oversensitive?
Get over it.
Best regards - Mike
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neither.
All i do is fool around in this thread
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You guys know too much for your own good. I had to google statism.
Enjoy your life and enjoy the games we are given to help us endure the slow passage of time
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how am i 'sposed to enjoy something i sure as *aircraft carrier lift* never asked for?
if time could , like pass a billion times faster and kill me off without me even noticing, i'd be damn gratefiull.
(Hmm. how to be dead and gratefull?)
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how am i 'sposed to enjoy something i sure as *aircraft carrier lift* never asked for?
There's oh so many things to me this would apply to.
I've found a simple solution and it works since I'm 5, 6 or so:
There's something you don't like and you're not forced just to take it? Avoid it.
Best regards - Mike
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well THERE is a question...
i drop you into a game called life.
how do you avoid that.
nono, you are in life already. you are surrounded by it, in all 17 dimensions 3D, time, paralel universes and all.
how do you avoid that.
even if you nuke your brains, in a paralel universe, you still keep living.
my point is: once you are alive, you can not avoid it.
you get thrown in this mess and there is no way out.
life IS forced on you...
but now this thread is more interesting for all of us, rather than discuss other website's policies...
*pats himself on the back*
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I like living so there's no need for me to avoid it, but if there was any... well... tbd.
in all 17 dimensions 3D, time, paralel universes and all.
how do you avoid that.
even if you nuke your brains, in a paralel universe, you still keep living.
If that's what puzzles you, then ask your doc for stronger pills.
These proved to be quite effective:
(http://s1.postimg.cc/8gcj8j4of/fukitol.jpg)
Best regards - Mike
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well THERE is a question...
i drop you into a game called life.
how do you avoid that.
May I suggest? 8) 8) 8)
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...with a lot of recent updates many of the issues some people had are withering away and it is shaping up to be a very playable sim
How so for single player content and game design? I'm still seeing a very dull SP campaign and a few odd missions available for single players. Am I missing something?
And don't get me wrong...I have been accused here of being "out to get BoS" which is not true, but I am very disappointed in the lack of continuity in the single player game. If 1CGS would add: the ability to create pilot characters and track their career over the course of the Battle of Stalingrad, the use of real military ranks, the use of real military medals, and the ability to fly as a wingman or a flight leader it would greatly enhance the single player experience. These are things Jason Williams has fought for but has been voted down on. For some reason these are things Loft specifically doesn't want in BoS. Somehow BoS would become something Loft doesn't want it to become if these things were added, things that could be added very easily and have been the backbone of combat flight sims since the beginning.
So I think BoS could become a very good game very easily if Jason Williams were allowed to set its creative direction. All this other stuff 1CGS is working on is nice to have, but until they make this fundamental transformation I'm afraid BoS will be very dull for most single players. There are some things 1CGS can't do with the RoF engine, such as filling the skies with large numbers of AI planes. But they can tell a great story through role playing with pilot characters which would help single player immersion tremendously. Why this is something Loft seems determined not to do (against the wishes of Jason Williams) I'll never understand. QMB would still be there for the "quick game" players, but I think the vast majority of single player simmers enjoy something more involved. We can tell from the Steam metrics that BoS has bombed with the casual gamers, so I'm hoping 1CGS will come back to the simmers and make the changes necessary to make BoS what it could be for single players. I think for 1CGS to continue to pursue casual gamers with a subject matter (BoS) that is probably just not interesting to them will be futile.
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Well this Fukitol sure seems interesting.
but as i said... the dude in the paralel universe does not "benefit" from what happens in this one with regards to these pills - so it's pointless.
the only way i would like to live on is with a positive answer to "will you make it into the next millennium to laugh at the downfall of humanity?".
if i could get a thousand years of invincibility/max health/no pain/no nothing...
i would love to laugh at this species going down.
and then, only then end my own existence... long after the last human has vanished.
I mean...
BoM.
and no... it's not even possible to have a dozen heinkels and half a dozen escorts fly to the city and drop some Dynamite on it.
facepalm material... right there.
and people are going to pay for such things, not aware that they will never get what they expect...
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In short, I no longer care for the developers hm interesting ways of communications, nor the communities tendencies to take offense. I find BOS a good fast fun sim, like old il 2 .
Good old IL 2 was without anyones understanding a step too far in all its features for any sim to ever replace. neither cod or bos will ever be as good in long term use.
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Amen :D
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agreed.
my air.ini has some 300.000 entries, from radio gleiwiz to that signature on the US battleship.
They are not going to pull it off, not in aircraft, not in maps, not in ground objects. not in SP air activity, not in MP air activity.
not in this life time.
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Still has way better graphics than 1946 though. Well I really hate to say better. More realistic I guess.
1946 with mods has become quite beautiful in its own way. The graphics are more primitive but still attractive.
Also I still play Diablo 1 and 2 because I prefer that style of graphics over more modern games in the same genre.
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HMMM. I could not care less about BOS. But let me do you a favor Typhoon and let you know that guys like Storbor only put up with you because you remind them of themselves when they were your age, and I tend to agree. The only problem is that I was an insufferable asshole when I was your age and I wouldn't have ten minutes to waste on me now. I have the tiniest feeling that you may be similarly pushing your luck.
Just do yourself a favor and think for a minute or two before posting, then think for ten minutes more. Then go to bed and come back to it in the morning. I'm just saying.
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my air.ini has some 300.000 entries, from radio gleiwiz to that signature on the US battleship.
Ok, you got me. What the hell are you talking about?
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HMMM. I could not care less about BOS. But let me do you a favor Typhoon and let you know that guys like Storbor only put up with you because you remind them of themselves when they were your age, and I tend to agree. The only problem is that I was an insufferable asshole when I was your age and I wouldn't have ten minutes to waste on me now. I have the tiniest feeling that you may be similarly pushing your luck.
Just do yourself a favor and think for a minute or two before posting, then think for ten minutes more. Then go to bed and come back to it in the morning. I'm just saying.
well that would take my fun away, and the thread would have moved onwards, at least 36 hours or so
before i should, by your logic, post.
and since the thread has moved onwards, and i probably wish to update my post,
i would still need to to the sensible thing and repeat the "thinking phase".
the result would be that i should/could not post.
so technically you are telling me to STFU indefinitely...
as for the "10 minutess" and "at your age" remarks...i shall just let that slide.
try to conceal your insults better. i could still read them - as a non-native english speaker.
as for mike's position, opinion... that subject is off limits to you, Sir.
Doc,
Radio Gleiwitz -a reason/excuse/trigger for Wehrmacht action in WWII, the way we were taught here in Luxembourg [the beginning of the time that interests me]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident
USS Missouri: when Japan signed their surrender in Tokio Bay. [the end]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_Instrument_of_Surrender
:)
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Now it's obvious to me, Tiffie. Well if one can't keep up with the dialogue it's best to leave it to the adults. ;)
On the topic of self-censorship, everyone on this forum is already booming mad for obsessing about a 10 year old flight sim. So posting something potentially insufferable in the pursuit of pissing on said flight sim's pretentious would-be successor is the least of our problems. If the post caused a reaction or conveyed novel information then it has served its purpose. I would argue that is the fundamental goal of any work of art, ergo forum posting is art, but instead of oil pastels the forum poster should make liberal use of sarcastic remarks and enigmatic references to historical events. :)
The men in white coats are beckoning; it's pill time again.
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guys like Storbor only put up with you because you remind them of themselves when they were your age, and I tend to agree
That could easily have been your famous last words, but since they weren't aimed at me and I don't know a guy called "Storbor" on our board, I'll let that slip in the "troll" drawer :P
Best regards - Mike
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Sorry guys, I was making a joke a bout older wiser guys putting up with younger guys because we remember the days when we were younger and less wise. I did not mean to troll at all, but I suppose we can all be a pain in the ass at times. The waiting to post thing is just good advice for all of us. (me too)
As for Typhoon, Wisdom comes only with age and experience. Intelligence, spirit, "intestinal fortitude" and the like can be found in men of any age. There were no insults to conceal mate, I was just telling you that you were being a pain in the ass like I would to any one, friend or foe.
If I've made it worse rather than clearing things up, I suppose I'm the "pain in the ass". Sorry 'bout that.
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Don't worry DD, I didn't take that message seriously and I hoped you won't do with mine either.
Well, 1st of April, we've both played the april's fool trick successfully as it seems :D
Best regards - Mike
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Excellent! I shall at this point employ the wisdom that I so pride myself in and shut my yap....... :)
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I have no problem just not buying anything from 777. Jason is collaborating with the Russian criminals to sell a half-built product they are never going to deliver.
Phase 1 of internet scamming: Nigerian Prince Scam
Phase 2 of internet scamming: Buying games from the Russians
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Well Bob Marley, do you actually know the nationality of the developers of the Il-2 series.
Where this site is based on?
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Yes, Oleg Maddox's team was Russian.
But the 777 team, which has combined with some remnants of Maddox's team, has superseded the Blue Byte/Maddox Games/1C team to create Scamware titles that the devs wholly know they don't intend to finish or update to completion.
There exists a record of promises and a record of deliveries. The disparity between them is as wide as the Pacific and the pit of lies surrounding their actual intentions is deeper than the Marianas Trench.
In democracy we say don't go on the record of promises but on the voting record of an individual, but supporters of Rise of Flight, Battle of Stalingrad and Battle of Moscow ignore the record that those very same developers made for themselves during development of Il-2: Cliffs of Dover and Birds of Prey. What they've done to the Il-2 name is like nailing Jesus to the cross, assassinating JFK and kicking a million Sochi puppies all in one swoop.
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... I really like your style and sense of humour, amigo, they made my day ...! :P
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Nice words Uncle Bob (Exhausted), it does seem the more recent alleged 'economic models' endorsed by the 'Neuvo-ocrasy of Tsar VV Poopbox' might have become more loose than usual with promises and deadlines, it could be that both politics, economical pressure and propagandas are unfortunately haveing some pressure in virtual life.
..let alone part or some of 1C forums (or some its active members) having to possibly risk being sued/blackmailed/co-erced/threatened by alleged neuvosoviets and or uber-nationalists for debating veterans facts/stories/opinions and trying to balance histories & real facts under the new crime laws regarding 'allowed' (state allowed revisionist) history and criminal disrespect to veterans.
I do not agree the politcs of the Neuvosoviet or Poopbox, but some thought has to be given to those who have more of mind to think even more quietly in that unfortunate nation.
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Of course one must think quietly wherever the regime is authoritarian or totalitarian. I do respect those that have the courage to operate within the confines of such a system, but the real disappointment doesn't come from them or their government. It comes from the consumers who support it out of fear that nothing else will come out of another place. But if these knucklefucks want to rewrite history, then it shouldn't be done through video games.
Battle for Stalingrad and Moscow are just schemes to mess with us and take our money, brought to you by the same folks that hocked the garbage known as Cliffs of Dover.
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... I won't go as far as you about CoD, since I believe it's cockpits are by far the very best I have ever seen (+ dynamic shadows), and the same with external 3D and external damage modelling ... ;)
We should all be flying with CoD today if the release and part of the content hadn't been such a fiasco ... :(
Hats down to the guys from Team Fusion who are doing their very best to keep CoD afloat ... ;)
I don't have CoD, neither BoS/BoM and don't intend to buy them ...
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Jason is collaborating with the Russian criminals
these knucklefucks
Keep it civil please.
I'd be glad if I wouldn't have to give official warnings.
Best regards - Mike
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This thread has been very entertaining and painful to read.
Both at the same time. ???
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Of course one must think quietly wherever the regime is authoritarian or totalitarian. I do respect those that have the courage to operate within the confines of such a system, but the real disappointment doesn't come from them or their government. It comes from the consumers who support it out of fear that nothing else will come out of another place. But if these knucklefucks want to rewrite history, then it shouldn't be done through video games.
Battle for Stalingrad and Moscow are just schemes to mess with us and take our money, brought to you by the same folks that hocked the garbage known as Cliffs of Dover.
I suggest a larger dose of Zanex.. cause every single commercial video game is "designed" to take your money in a "totalitarian" & "authoritarian" way.
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Funny how people not flying the game "hate it" I myself call it poison, let people fly what they want.
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Of course one must think quietly wherever the regime is authoritarian or totalitarian. I do respect those that have the courage to operate within the confines of such a system, but the real disappointment doesn't come from them or their government. It comes from the consumers who support it out of fear that nothing else will come out of another place. But if these knucklefucks want to rewrite history, then it shouldn't be done through video games.
Battle for Stalingrad and Moscow are just schemes to mess with us and take our money, brought to you by the same folks that hocked the garbage known as Cliffs of Dover.
I suggest a larger dose of Zanex.. cause every single commercial video game is "designed" to take your money in a "totalitarian" & "authoritarian" way.
If you take xanax for depression, what would one take for giving a shit about your customers? Whatever it is, they need it. It's going to be the "the Golden Age of half-finished games" that looked as if they'd one day stand alone in their full glory.
Funny how people not flying the game "hate it" I myself call it poison, let people fly what they want.
Fly away. But the reason we can reasonably infer that it sucks is because the CloD and 777 teams have a record of stiffing buyers and under-performance. Once the brand is tarnished one doesn't have to play the game to know it's the same shit, different name. Also, the overall experience will only get worse with time since you can be sure that the customer complaints will only build and the designers will slowly move to silence their cries (overdrama here).
That's the issue: Toward the end of the Forgotten Battles time frame, the team was somewhat responsive. Now, this current conglomerate doesn't give a shit what you think, only controlling sales numbers. If you think that's worth the risk, then fly away.
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I told you to keep it civil, now you get your official warning.
If there's something within "keep it civil" that you cannot understand, then please let me know.
Best regards - Mike
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I actually get pissed when folks go around saying a game lot of people enjoy "sucks" . That way you take exclusive rights on game review and calls everybody but yourself stupid.
And when a man do such a thing I expect a little more intellectual post.
The days of Old IL2 are over, it just aint feasible making a modern IL2 , if it was I would agree. Any game are designed based on the developers point of view on what most people want, they missed big time by recruiting the old IL 2 fan base, but they hit people like me wanting a 15 minute ride on a online server.
When it comes to COD I disagree entirely, it is perfect for squads want to make a realistic war-game. It is fantastic flying for 1 hour + online.
But compared to old IL 2 multiple possibilities it fail.
Offline and FAC flying witch both are fantastic in old IL 2, just wish I can get my UP 3 working BOS fantastic fast fun online, otherwise in my view useless. Cod a treat for serious flying online 1 hour + .
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Offline and FAC flying witch both are fantastic in old IL 2, just wish I can get my UP 3 working
Hello LeOne,
please try it again with UP3 for flying with the FAC. We're all have a lot of fun. ;)
Best regards,
Gerhard :)