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Riga

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hard ware and controlls
« on: December 21, 2023, 03:05:11 PM »

What hard ware would you guys recommend like flight controllers/ joysticks , is there away for mouse or console controller
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Re: hard ware and controlls
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2023, 03:34:37 PM »

As far as joystick is concerned, IMHO there's one and only one: the good old Microsoft FFB2.
Since You play with vintage aircraft, force feedback is indispensable.
All the others are only expensive toys plenty of useless buttons, useless adjustable curves ... only good if you are into the digital controls planes like F-16, Mirage 2000, A320 ...
Never see a spit with a control column fixed in a hard neutral point ...
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« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2023, 05:54:03 PM »

I agrea with Chrival, i got a MS Sidewinder ForceFeedback 2 (USB) joystick my self, so see if you can find a good one second hand.
Acurate, ForceFeedback, Quality build, and Windows has the drivers built in.
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Re: hard ware and controlls
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2023, 11:41:45 AM »

Riga,

Everything is possible, it depends on $$$

cheap

Controllers, I think it's possible with a Keybord
Keyboard and Mouse (I just knew 2 Guys actually doing it to a kinda profession)

Ms Sindewinder (not so expensive Toys)

Saitek'ish Toys is a bit not so cheap ranging to fill a gap between not so cheap and expensive,
but beware, if you end up like me paying twice for a Monday Saitek product,
better invest in the next level from the start,
or you you sold your soul to it and have a till death contract

expensive (Thrustmaster Hotas Warthog, TPR Rudder, or other Brands Hardware in that pricing range...)

very expensive Toys exist too, don't ask me, saw entire or partial Cockpit sections, nerdy stuff...
open end, I've seen Guys investing worth 50.000-60.000 or more in Home Cockpits
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Re: hard ware and controlls
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2023, 11:59:44 AM »

At the end a MS Sidewinder FF is not so cheap also considering that it will be at least 10-15 years old.
On the decent cheap (around 50-60$) you can find Logitech and Thrustmaster products decent for starters and no need for rudder pedals. Then you start going up as much as you like ....
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Re: hard ware and controlls
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2023, 02:50:34 AM »

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« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2023, 03:16:56 AM »

At the end a MS Sidewinder FF is not so cheap also considering that it will be at least 10-15 years old.

There is a reason there not so cheap for an old stick, its one of the best, maybe even the best stick out there, and Force Feedback really helps you in this game.
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Re: hard ware and controlls
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2023, 06:04:37 AM »

I was owner of the sidewinder many years ago it was the pre usb version to plug in the gpu  unfortunately it broke down after very intensive use at the time i was very disappointed and switched to Logitech\Saitek
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« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2023, 06:38:38 AM »

I was owner of the sidewinder many years ago it was the pre usb version to plug in the gpu  unfortunately it broke down after very intensive use at the time i was very disappointed and switched to Logitech\Saitek

You mean a Sidewinder Gameport version.

USB FFB2 versions are better quality.

Also had a Logitech and Saitek stick, but than got a FFB2 for free :)
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« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2023, 07:58:27 AM »

Well in fact It depends on what you need and what you like and above all, what you are familiarized with.
For my own, I'm a retired airline pilot and I flew thousands hours using classic controls. I mean that I never flew digital planes like Airbus.
So I'm just unable to play the sim without any feedback from the stick.
Force feedback helps you to feel your speed, to feel the approach of the stall, high G's... 
I was hard enough to familiarize with the trim because it's different in the sim than in real. In real a trim as only one function : to null the effort you must apply on the stick. Nothing else.
That's why digital planes are always auto trimmed. Not the case in any sim nor any joystick.
On the contrary if you never flew a real plane and if you have learned to fly with your PC you won't be uncomfortable. And probably, you would looking for best ergonomy, more switches, and so on.
Just my 2 cents.
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« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2023, 08:09:34 AM »

Well in fact It depends on what you need and what you like and above all, what you are familiarized with.
For my own, I'm a retired airline pilot and I flew thousands hours using classic controls. I mean that I never flew digital planes like Airbus.
So I'm just unable to play the sim without any feedback from the stick.
Force feedback helps you to feel your speed, to feel the approach of the stall, high G's... 
I was hard enough to familiarize with the trim because it's different in the sim than in real. In real a trim as only one function : to null the effort you must apply on the stick. Nothing else.
That's why digital planes are always auto trimmed. Not the case in any sim nor any joystick.
On the contrary if you never flew a real plane and if you have learned to fly with your PC you won't be uncomfortable. And probably, you would looking for best ergonomy, more switches, and so on.
Just my 2 cents.

I never flew a real airplane, but stil like Force Feedback a lot better than non for the reasons you mentioned + you feel wen you get hit by guns or flak
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« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2023, 04:13:09 PM »

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I never flew a real airplane, but stil like Force Feedback a lot better than non for the reasons you mentioned + you feel wen you get hit by guns or flak

I do agree. Whatever your experience, there's nothing more immersive than the force feedback combined with a good buttkicker.  8)
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