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Knochenlutscher

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Re: Fw190A5 Volumetric skin
« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2022, 06:54:41 AM »

I used such effect at ceretain Skins where I spotted clear dents and deformations.
The excessive use is just a bit too much, but the idea definitely a good finding for those
Skinners being on the 1:1 re-skinning.
Since we rely on plain BMP Textures at some degree I really wish we could have DDS stuff.

Nice find, Thanks for sharing
Tobias
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Re: Fw190A5 Volumetric skin
« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2022, 07:22:26 AM »

Yes, thanks Tobias, I also thought that it might be useful to someone, and decided to share it.
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Re: Fw190A5 Volumetric skin
« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2022, 08:25:20 AM »


I understand you are familiar with Skyrim and its modding. You may be interested in looking at my modpack, I did everything beautifully there, all the textures are improved. The original Skyrim, completely dead and plastic versus mod.
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Re: Fw190A5 Volumetric skin
« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2022, 11:03:42 PM »

To be fair it's a good attempt at raising panel details but it should be more subtle... if you turn down the detail of your enhancement to half it might work?

I used to do HDR/3D selection back in the old days before I started taking skinning seriously... :)) But still that's what it's about? You learn as you go! ;D

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Re: Fw190A5 Volumetric skin
« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2022, 01:43:52 AM »

Yes, somewhere to reduce the effect, somewhere to make an inversion, and also reduce or add. You can also do this not all together, as shown in the example, but in parts, if you have a full-fledged skin template, then all the elements go there separately, all these elements can be added separately.
This is an interesting effect, I learned it by accident and on my own, no one showed it to me, you may be familiar with it for a long time, but for me this is a relatively new discovery :) You don't need to be an artist to give volume to any flat image, I think this useful feature  :)
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Re: Fw190A5 Volumetric skin
« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2022, 03:44:43 AM »




I fond a old skin with this improvement:
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Re: Fw190A5 Volumetric skin
« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2022, 04:26:36 AM »

Yes, great, do you agree that the skin becomes more realistic and alive?  👍 What I wanted to convey :)
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Re: Fw190A5 Volumetric skin
« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2022, 06:15:27 AM »

Hey DESPEREAUX.

I agree with Mick, on the video (not only on this one, but on many similar ones) Neither riveting nor strong relief is visible.
I have been working on skins for a long time. And I also thought about this. Is it really necessary to work on the entire relief ...
Let's say I'm currently working on the A6M2 Zero. And just the other day I was tormented with jointing and rivets. There is a possibility that I will not add rivets to some small elements. And still, the first thing to strive for is, of course, realism.

I also agree with Knochenlutscher about the DDS format. It is a pity that none of this is implemented in the game.
In the end, I want to say that I think this is an interesting proposal. And I think (which in my opinion is the most important thing) that to such things as the visibility of the surface relief. Rather, you need to apply only pointwise. To emphasize only some elements.

Otherwise it will be overkill.

P.S. you haven't been here for a long time, apparently SKYRIM has bewitched you a little.
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Re: Fw190A5 Volumetric skin
« Reply #20 on: June 16, 2022, 09:40:50 AM »

Hello Roman! I cannot but agree with you that this should be done selectively. But sometimes rivets do not interfere, you just need to do it in moderation. The rivets are not visible in the video, because they are far away, but they are still there. From afar, they will not be visible in the game. You can see the difference in the rivets on the underside of the wing in the images I provided, I think it looks better with rivets.
Yes, Skyrim captured me a little :D  I wanted to improve it, make it a little more beautiful, in the end I had to change all several thousand textures :D :D :D
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Re: Fw190A5 Volumetric skin
« Reply #21 on: June 16, 2022, 09:54:22 AM »

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I also agree with Knochenlutscher about the DDS format. It is a pity that none of this is implemented in the game.

However, there is a very good alternative for IL-2 here: ".BMP" 4K skins (4096²)!

With this option, skins can be created/represented much more precisely than with DDS.

In addition, creating DDS skins is a lot more cumbersome than in the simple ".BMP" format.

It is a pity that the 4k skins in the indexed 8-bit format cannot be displayed in IL-2.

This option would significantly reduce the size of my PaintSchemes folder.

This is my incontrovertible opinion and please believe me, I know what I'm writing about...!

With best regards

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Re: Fw190A5 Volumetric skin
« Reply #22 on: June 16, 2022, 10:01:20 AM »

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I also agree with Knochenlutscher about the DDS format. It is a pity that none of this is implemented in the game.

However, there is a very good alternative for IL-2 here: ".BMP" 4K skins (4096²)!

With this option, skins can be created/represented much more precisely than with DDS.

In addition, creating DDS skins is a lot more cumbersome than in the simple ".BMP" format.

It is a pity that the 4k skins in the indexed 8-bit format cannot be displayed in IL-2.

This option would significantly reduce the size of my PaintSchemes folder.

This is my incontrovertible opinion and please believe me, I know what I'm writing about...!

With best regards

 ]cheers[

Gerhard

Completely agree with you.
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Re: Fw190A5 Volumetric skin
« Reply #23 on: June 16, 2022, 10:05:57 AM »

... in real life, rivets were barely visible because in order to get as smooth surfaces as possible, and thus gain a few km/h of max speed, they were covered with filler, prior to the aircraft being painted ...

This was done in every country ...  ;)

Almost no visible rivets here ...  ;)

https://www.ipmsstockholm.se/home/focke-wulf-fw-190-a-8-in-detail-revisited/

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