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Shessi

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Re: Thorneycroft Amazon WF/AC6/1/Coles Mk VII, series 2.
« Reply #180 on: July 02, 2020, 04:30:56 AM »

Nice going Pete!

Body work looking good.  The Coles logo, was it painted or embossed on?  If embossed then looks very good, if not then looks a little 3D for just a logo tex.

There are some spotters out there!  Thickness of mudguards!  Just hope they don't see the shape of the ashtray mounting bolts...lol..he he, glad there are others out there that care though.

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Shessi
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Re: Thorneycroft Amazon WF/AC6/1/Coles Mk VII, series 2.
« Reply #181 on: July 02, 2020, 05:12:50 AM »

 o_O   :-X    :-[     ::)

(I think a comment is superfluous ..)

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Re: Thorneycroft Amazon WF/AC6/1/Coles Mk VII, series 2.
« Reply #182 on: July 02, 2020, 06:31:12 AM »


 :D   You did exactly what I hoped for! Now the two mudguards are the same thickness and visually they are absolutely pleasant! Thanks Pete for listening to my suggestions and Mick's!    ;)




Glad you like the changes stanislao, always happy to oblige you and Mick if I am able. 8)


The Coles logo, was it painted or embossed on?  bolts...lol..he he, glad there are others out there that care though.

Hello Shessi, the logo was actually embossed, it seems the rear is a complete casting and is I think the counter weight,
however it was done it is certainly not painted. ;)

Here is the photograph I used, not sure who the image or vehicle belongs to but could be the Yorkshire museum:



If you look at most images that have been posted where you can see the rear it stands out, that is for sure, you cannot miss it. :D

This is the Yorkshire vehicle, most images show this style but I have seen other versions:



On this vehicle the bottom piece is missing so they might be separate castings added into the recess. :-|


Take care and be safe.

Wishing you all the very best, Pete. ;D






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Re: Thorneycroft Amazon WF/AC6/1/Coles Mk VII, series 2.
« Reply #183 on: July 02, 2020, 06:59:24 AM »

Hello Pete, Laborious and very effectiv work ]thumright[, it's nice to look at this page and see how Coles gets more beautiful day by day, the amount of detail is impressive 8), which undeniably adds a graceful look to this vehicle.

Ps. summer and winter painting scheme also looks nice 8).

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Re: Thorneycroft Amazon WF/AC6/1/Coles Mk VII, series 2.
« Reply #184 on: July 02, 2020, 10:16:20 AM »

Hello Pete, Laborious and very effectiv work ]thumright[, it's nice to look at this page and see how Coles gets more beautiful day by day, the amount of detail is impressive 8), which undeniably adds a graceful look to this vehicle.

Ps. summer and winter painting scheme also looks nice 8).

Best regards,
Piotrek


Glad you are happy with things so far Piotrek, thank you very much for the comments, really appreciated. 8)


Take care and be safe.

Wishing you all the very best, Pete. ;D
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Re: Thorneycroft Amazon WF/AC6/1/Coles Mk VII, series 2.
« Reply #185 on: July 03, 2020, 03:20:41 PM »

Hello again guys, quick update on progress. ;)

Adding lines to the Coles cab was relatively pain free, most things matched up. :o

In progress, the colours are so I can identify which panels are where:









Here we see lines, bolts and weathering suitably reduced in opacity:








The Coles body has quite a few large nuts and bolts around it that are quite a visible feature, for the
moment these are represented with colour but the intention is to actually add the necessary parts to
give it that lumpy look that is so obvious in photographs. :D


Take care and be safe.


Wishing you all the very best, Pete. ;D
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Re: Thorneycroft Amazon WF/AC6/1/Coles Mk VII, series 2.
« Reply #186 on: July 04, 2020, 06:17:31 AM »

Using the embossed logo tex gives the 3D impression, great stuff.
Hi Pete,
Possibly the rear of the top photo, I think it may be the NI museum vehicle.  And you can see the four bolt heads that hold that secondary info plate on.  Interesting their vehicle has that raised lower side body and rear, along with the towing hitches and pulley wheel in the middle, poss for a trailer or towing purposes.  I bet there was a lot of localised modding to all these, as with most military field vehicles.

And does look good with some used/weathered texturing.

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Shessi

p.s Yes Stan...it is....;) X
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Re: Thorneycroft Amazon WF/AC6/1/Coles Mk VII, series 2.
« Reply #187 on: July 05, 2020, 03:03:45 AM »

Hello Shessi, yes you could be right about NI although that one wears the disruptive scheme, in my image I am not sure as there is not enough of it to see but possible yes. ;)

I have seen photographs from four specific projects, the first was the Imperial War museum example, second the Yorkshire museum vehicle, the one in Belfast that provided most of my information even though it is the long version and finally a version in the Netherlands. Those four specific to preserving the wartime vehicle of my project, the remaining photographs were either historic period ones or of the more modern private collector vehicles, most of the later seem to have been in use by fair grounds so have been kept in immaculate condition.

As you mention all have seen extensive modification through their lifetime so trying to find a definite version is difficult, I based the rear contraption on the Yorkshire vehicle with most of the internals the Irish one.  There do seem to be two versions of the Coles crane cab, the rear of some is shaped differently as I found when trying to decide how the bolts are arranged, many also have various covers for the driver, again I used the Irish example because of close in images.

The camouflaged vehicles we see could actually all be R.A.F. vehicles, I thought they were from the army, however, I have seen photographs recently that show a disruptive scheme on European and Middle East vehicles, so where they only used by the Air Force?

I wonder if they found their way to India and the rest of the Far east as well, there is so much we still do not know about these vehicles, Mick posted a link that is very interesting for Middle East service, other than that I am still looking.

Anyway, I waffle too much, less typing more building is what is necessary. :D


So, those bolts, here we see them added and mapped:

 






And into IL-2:







Not too bad I think for a amateur. :o


While trying to add this detail to the static objects last night I found the rotation pivot of the crane is out of place, so
I spent parts of the evening trying to adjust the parts attached to it to go with the updated cab, I now need to add
those into the game today, not a major job but something I could do without really as I wanted to update the remaining
tga files of the vehicle today to match the work so far, as they say "shit always happens on a day ending in Y", so much
for cunning plans and all that.  :P


Take care and be safe.

Wishing you all the very best, Pete. ;D
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Re: Thorneycroft Amazon WF/AC6/1/Coles Mk VII, series 2.
« Reply #188 on: July 05, 2020, 06:21:31 AM »

Nice details.
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Re: Thorneycroft Amazon WF/AC6/1/Coles Mk VII, series 2.
« Reply #189 on: July 05, 2020, 02:57:38 PM »

I don't know what to say Pete. This is remarkable.
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Re: Thorneycroft Amazon WF/AC6/1/Coles Mk VII, series 2.
« Reply #190 on: July 06, 2020, 06:01:18 AM »

Hello again guys, glad you both like the continuing work and detail, thank you very much, really appreciated. 8)

Here are some images from work completed yesterday, all the tga files now have some form of weathering
applied to each one as well as the lines where necessary:













The engine is not yet finished but I dirtied what there is to help it conform with the rest:






The bolt detail added to the Coles now really completes the external detail and takes that mesh to just shy of the
allowable limit for each mesh that is normal for the game, also there is a separate number plate for each of the
three theaters,  the numbers were taken from various photographs but are not necessarily that particular vehicle
just so I did not have to leave a blank plate.

I will now try and put together another update link, today or tomorrow if I can, so you can see the details
described in the thread since my last link was posted, I will then continue to develop the engine meshes
and anything outstanding I have not got around to yet. ;)

Things are still far from completed but you will be able to use what there is although it might be necessary
to adjust anything added to a mission file to account for my alterations, mainly the static objects because
I had the rotate point wrong for the crane. :-[

As before it will be necessary to delete your existing folders because model and templates have changed
considerably.


Take care and be safe.


Wishing you all the very best, Pete. ;D
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Re: Thorneycroft Amazon WF/AC6/1/Coles Mk VII, series 2.
« Reply #191 on: July 06, 2020, 07:16:32 AM »

... woaouh, still more and more details ...!  8)

Please don't forget the dashboard cigarette lighter ...!  :D

... more seriously, suggestions for skinners ...  ;)

http://bennosfiguresforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20958&hilit=thorneycroft

https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235016048-176-airfix-thornycroft-amazon-lwb-conversion/

Various foreign armies also adopted the Amazon, in different versions, like the Argentina army ...

https://www.taringa.net/+apuntes_y_monografias/thornycroft-amazon-vehiculos-olvidados-1938-ea_12ywow

http://www.militariarg.com/tractortruck-prime-mover-vehicles-wheeled-artillery.html
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