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Dreamk

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Dropping of supplies and troops in il2 had always been rather poorly treated  :( - This mod tries to somehow correct that,...and it's only a beginning  ;) :D
The present mod contains:

1) Supplies containers:
British:
Wicker basket, Medical supplies crate, Containers type C, CLE Mk3, F, H
US:
Cardboard container, Supplies packs type A4, A5, A6, A8
German:
Abwurfbehalter 250 early, Abwurfbehalter 250 Late, Abwurfbehalter 700, Abwurfbehalter 1000

2) colored chutes for supplies containers
Allied Supply chutes were colour-coded according to what was in the canister – ammunition, food, medical, etc. The colour codes changed from operation to operation.
For D-Day they were:
Rations – Blue
Medical – Yellow
Ammunition – Red
Individual and collective equipment - White
Communications Equipment – Green
For Operation Market-Garden they were:
Ammunition – Red
Rations – Green
Medical – White
Fuel – Blue
Communications Equipment – Yellow
The mod includes these colored chutes  :D(and of course the possibility for modders writing a cod file to choose whatever color of chute they want for whatever container / supply pack they want to use)
Also included are the White/Red stripped chute used often by Soviet for dropping supplies (together with the regular white ones), and the Green silk and Yellow/Red stripped chutes often used by German (together with the regular white ones) for this same purpose

3) colored chutes for paratroopers
To go further, the mod also includes the possibility to choose which kind of historical parachute is used by paratroopers - not only the color variations, but also correct historical shapes for the triangular German and Square Soviet chutes. ;D
4 variants of US Paratroopers' chutes
2 variants of British Paratroopers' chutes
4 variants of German Paratroopers' chutes
2 variants of Italian Paratroopers' chutes
2 variants of Soviet Paratroopers' chutes

Camouflage 'chutes became more and more common for US paras during 1944. If not camouflaged, US paras' main chutes were

Khaki/Olive Drab British X type canopy was initially made of white silk but this soon changed when a cotton weave fabric was adopted with a more practical russet-brown tint, and later a speckled camouflage pattern.

German canopies RZ1 and RZ16 were undyed white. The RZ-20 canopy had  a tri-colour camoflage (green-brown-black). The RZ36 had a tri-colour camouflage (green-tan-black)or a white canopy that was delta shaped when inflated

German Chutes used in Crete were RZ1 - white (some officers were reported as using a black chute) and RZ20 - green-brown-black camo (used in Crete for the first time)

Italian used Salvatore white chutes till IF41 was adopted, which looked very much like the German RZ16 - Its canopy could be white, camouflaged or anthracite-black.

Russian used white Salvatore type parachute, often jumping with 2 parachutes opened simultaneously, then in  1941 was introduce a characteristic square chute, white also.

4) Cod files are included for testing these goodies on the following planes (in addition to their current weapons loadout):
He111-H8
Ju52/3mg4e
Si204
TB-3 4M-17 Trans
TB-3 4M-34 Trans
CA-148
CANTZ1007_Cargo

6) Download link:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/cdct6v1f1mfvsht/Chutes-Containers-Paratroopers.7z

This mod has been tested in BAT (therefore suitable to 4.12.2) and in Il2-FB 4.13.3 SAS 6.3

Enjoy!  ;D











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Re: Historical Chutes, Aerial Containers & Paratroopers Pack - Part 1
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2018, 10:40:31 AM »

wonderful!!!
Thank you
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Re: Historical Chutes, Aerial Containers & Paratroopers Pack - Part 1
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2018, 12:10:21 PM »

Wow!  amazing work, Thank you very much.
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Re: Historical Chutes, Aerial Containers & Paratroopers Pack - Part 1
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2018, 03:04:09 PM »

British & US containers:
Top group (British):
Container Type F, Container Medical Supplies, Wicker Basket, Container Type H, Container Type CLE MkIII, Container Type C
Bottom group (US):
Cardboard Container, Container Type A4, Container Type A5, Container Type A6, Container Type A8




German Containers:
Abwurfbehalter 1000, Abwurfbehalter 700, Abwurfbehalter 250 Early & Late



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Re: Historical Chutes, Aerial Containers & Paratroopers Pack - Part 1
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2018, 03:41:53 PM »

Incredible, an amazing piece of work, thank you, downloading now
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Re: Historical Chutes, Aerial Containers & Paratroopers Pack - Part 1
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2018, 02:57:42 AM »

Très beau travail ! ;)
Thank you very much !
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Re: Historical Chutes, Aerial Containers & Paratroopers Pack - Part 1
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2018, 04:47:02 AM »

Dear Dreamk,
congratulations for your work.
I am surprised by the long time used by the paratroopers to get outside the aircraft. They are spread over kilometers.
My experience is that a stick of five was out in approx. five seconds.
Maybe it could be changed in a more realistic  way in part 2?
Best regards.
Tart

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Re: Historical Chutes, Aerial Containers & Paratroopers Pack - Part 1
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2018, 06:38:07 AM »

I agree. The way paratroopers jump in Il2 is totally unrealistic. TD has even worsened the situation by increasing the delay before opening of the chute - This is suited to pre-WW2 Soviet paratroops way of jumping from the TB-3 but is thoroughly absurd for ww2, as most drops in WW2 used automatic release chutes. The spectacular way the paratrooper jump is also suited to German, Italian and early war Japanese paratroopers, who used chutes based Salvatore system, but totally wrong for US, British and Soviet paratroopers.
I'll try to play with the timing to accelerate the cadence of paratroopers drop, and shorten the delay before opening of the chute, above all for drops at low level.
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Re: Historical Chutes, Aerial Containers & Paratroopers Pack - Part 1
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2018, 04:11:59 PM »

Welcome everyone, I tried to make a couple of skins for the containers  by reworking that one made by Dreamk, but I'm not sure if they look realistic? should this look like this :P?



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Re: Historical Chutes, Aerial Containers & Paratroopers Pack - Part 1
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2018, 11:26:02 PM »

They look like the ones displayed by modern re-enactment groups. Whether this was true for historical ww2 samples is a question - most of the surviving the Abwurfbehalter 700 I show :
1) Wood, no paint, only the FL numbers in white paint
2) Wood or Metal: in either Sea-Gray or RLM02 paint with white FL numbers.

For the Abwurfbehalter 250 we have either:
Metal in RLM02 or in Dark Green paint (Usually with white FL numbers).

Now on ww2 B&W photos the Abwurfbehalter 700 appears always as medium gray, sometimes with dark large tactical signs (but these were uncommon except on the Italian front in 1943) or sometimes very dark grey,with light colored tactical signs, and of course for medical supplies a small red cross roundel. The color of the tactical sign apparently varied, but the I found written records of Yellow (not Red, though this is always a possibility) large letters






























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Re: Historical Chutes, Aerial Containers & Paratroopers Pack - Part 1
« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2018, 01:41:42 AM »

Thank you for your explanation, I think we have to wait until someone with more experience wants to make these skins for us.
Edit;
I forgot to provide a link in case anyone would like to use these skins :P, I hope that Dreamk will have nothing against.
Edit1 (4.5.2018):
I updated the link , please delete the previous skins. I can't  add the effect of dirt and rust, generally speaking about visible wear, I would be grateful if someone would want to do it.
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Re: Historical Chutes, Aerial Containers & Paratroopers Pack - Part 1
« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2018, 09:18:07 AM »

for German containers there is a problem there is not some coloring template, according to my research as the basic color was RLM 2, otherwise colorful coloring can not give any template. each unit is coloring for a specific action
And the only thing that can be taken as a template is the colored stripes on the containers
they were mostly from one to four stripes of the same color - and that was how I thought they were being planted from the Ju 52 - and more than 4 pieces were not going to the Ju-52 rectory, and there were gear and armament for 12 soldiers










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