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Re: Map of Poland 1939 update - in the works
« Reply #36 on: September 30, 2020, 03:04:31 AM »

Hello,

maybe this one will be useful:

http://maps.mapywig.org/m/m_documents/PL/ATLAS_LOTNISK_POLSKICH_1933_CBW.pdf

It's a Polish pre-war book with maps of Polish airfields.
There are mainly civilian airfields (but not only), some of them could be military used in 1939.
About Polish wartime airstrpis it's hard to find reliable source of information, sometimes they were improvised in short time before 1st of Sept. 1939, sometimes even during the campaign. Polish ace S. Skalski wrote in his memories book that P11c fighters (141 or 142 Eskadra Mysliwska) started and landed from private hayfield or stubble field, what was agreed to possessor of local manor house in last-minute.
So often only approximate location is known.

Detailed info about the missions flown by Polish Squadrons during 1939 campaign You can find in book "Polskie Eskadry w Wojnie Obronnej 1939" by Jerzy Pawlak - unfortunately available only in Polish language according to my best knowledge. It is possible to share some fragments from this book (although quality is rather poor, because it is old book).

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Re: Map of Poland 1939 update - in the works
« Reply #37 on: September 30, 2020, 04:36:56 AM »

Hi Is

I already have that book and Uzin used it when he created the map, and yes I know that about the wartime airstrips.

If you could provide some mission info from the Jerzy Pawlak book, it would be very helpful.  :)
Especially missions flown by Eskadra Mysliwska 112 & 141 from 8 September and later and for Eskadra Mysliwska 162 from 7 September and later.
And missions flown by Eskadra Bombowa 2 (22) from 4 September and later and for Eskadra Bombowa 11 (211) from 4 September and later.

Many thanks in advance!  :)

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Re: Map of Poland 1939 update - in the works
« Reply #38 on: September 30, 2020, 10:04:45 AM »

I have found another source (this time in English): WHITE EAGLES The Aircraft, Men and Operations of the Polish Air Force 1918-1939
by Bartolomiej Belcarz & Robert Paczkowski. If You don't have this one already, maybe it will be more useful than translating 1982 J. Pawlak's book (btw, info from Pawlak's book was used by the authors of WHITE EAGLES)?
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Re: Map of Poland 1939 update - in the works
« Reply #39 on: September 30, 2020, 11:28:06 AM »

You might try this book I found  "Polish Air Force 1939 Through German Eyes Vo1 " by A. Glass , T.J Kopanski, published by Status.
 It contains  photos and plans of Polish airfields and some layout of the bases . I believe there is also a volume 2 out as well.
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Re: Map of Poland 1939 update - in the works
« Reply #40 on: October 01, 2020, 04:35:55 AM »

Thanks for the tips guys!  :)

I already have the "White Eagles" book, from where I got much info, but still lacking info about missions later in the war as mentioned above.

I didn't know about that other book.
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Re: Map of Poland 1939 update - in the works
« Reply #41 on: October 01, 2020, 10:42:37 AM »

112 Eskadra Mysliwska 7-18 Sept. 1939
(by Jerzy Pawlak, Polskie Eskadry w Wojnie Obronnej 1939, Warszawa 1982. Pages 28-30)

7 Sept.
Unit moved to Kierz airfield (near Lublin).

8 Sept.
Patrol mission - Lublin and Deblin area.
Shortcoming of fuel and logistical support.

9 Sept.
Lt Łapkowski destroyed one He-111, but then his plane was damaged by Me-109's and he was forced to land near Vistula riverbank.

10 Sept.

Unit moved to Ostrożec airfield (near Łuck).

11 Sept.
Unit moved to Łuszczów airfield (back near Lublin).
Reconaissance mission - Vistula river in Garwolin-Sandomierz area.
One plane crashed into the hill, pilot podchorąży (Officer cadet) Polek was saved.

12 Sept.
Reconaissance missions - unknown area.

13 Sept.
Unit moved to Strzelce airfield (near Hrubieszów).
Lt Łokuciewski has damaged plane during landing.

14 Sept.
Unit moved to Werby airfield (near Wlodzimierz Wolynski), then Denysów airfield (near Brzeżany). Still shortcoming of fuel and ammo, waiting for supplies.

16 Sept.
L. Łapkowski - reconaissance mission - west of Lvov (searching enemy tank columns)

17 Sept.
Lt Łapkowski & Lt Łokuciewski - reconaissance mission - enemy columns were detected. During this mission Lt Łapkowski's plane was damaged by friendly AA fire.

Soviet invasion - order of evacuation to Romania.
Only one plane has landed on Czerniowce Romanian airfield (Lt Łapkowski),

18 Sept.
Remaining unit personnell crossed the Romanian border via Śniatyń in vehicular echelon.


1939 combat route of 111&112 Eskadra Myśliwska
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0f/111_esk_mysl.png
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Re: Map of Poland 1939 update - in the works
« Reply #42 on: October 01, 2020, 11:25:28 AM »

141 Eskadra Mysliwska 7-18 Sept. 1939
(by Jerzy Pawlak, Polskie Eskadry w Wojnie Obronnej 1939, Warszawa 1982. Pages 70-72)

7 Sept.
Unit moved to Kierz airfield (near Lublin).

8 Sept.
Shortcoming of fuel and logistical support, only 2 barrels of fuel and ammo from Dęblin were delivered.
Patrol missions.

9 Sept.
Unit moved to Ostrożec airfield (near Łuck).

10 Sept.
10 planes moved to Brześć airfield (to support Poznań Army Air Force).

11 Sept.
Planes from Brześc moved back to Ostrożec airfield.

12 - 13 Sept.
Searching for fuel

14 Sept.
Unit moved to Litiatyn airfield.

15 Sept.
Lt Pisarek & Lt Lachowicki-Czechowicz - reconaissance mission - Lvov area, btw German column ground attack.

16 Sept.
Some unit's pilots were ordered to go towards Konstanca (Romania) to receive delivered Ms-406 and Hurricane planes.

17 Sept.
Soviet invasion - order of evacuation to Romania.
Eight planes of 141 Eskadra (with Lt Słoński) has landed on Czerniowce Romanian airfield.

18 Sept.
Remaining unit personnell crossed the Romanian border via Sniatyn in vehicular echelon.


1939 combat route of 141&142 Eskadra Myśliwska
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18/141_esk_mysl.png
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Re: Map of Poland 1939 update - in the works
« Reply #43 on: October 01, 2020, 05:00:19 PM »

162 Eskadra Mysliwska 4-20 Sept. 1939
(by Jerzy Pawlak, Polskie Eskadry w Wojnie Obronnej 1939, Warszawa 1982. Pages 95-96)

4 Sept.
Unit's planes were based at three airfields: main in Widzew-Ksawerów, and "ambushes" Wężykowa Wola and Orchów.
Lt Zadroziński shot down Do-17 in Łódź area.
On afternoon Widzew-Ksawerów airfield was attacked by Luftwaffe. Four P-7 and one uknown Polish plane were destroyed on the ground. Lt Zadroziński, (defending airfield with one more plane) was wounded and forced to land.

5 Sept.
Unit operated from Widzew-Ksawerów and Czarnocin airfields
Some engagements with enemy planes, but no kills.

6 Sept.
Unit moved to Drwalewo airfield (Five P-7 and one RWD-8 were transferred).
Lt Główczyński, Prętkiewicz and Urbańczyk shot down two of three He-111, which were attacking vehicular echelon of 162 Eskadra in Grójec area.

7-9 Sept.
Unit moved to Radawiec Duży airfield.
No missions flown - due to shortcoming of fuel.

10 Sept.
Unit moved to Młynów airfield.

11 Sept.
Unit moved to Jabłonna airfield (near Lublin).

13 Sept.
Some fuel was delvered from LWS (Lublin Aircraft Factory).

14-15 Sept.
Unit moved to Litiatyn airfield.
No missions flown - due to shortcoming of fuel.

16 Sept.
Lt Zadroziński (starting from "ambush" airfield in Stanisławów) shot down He-111. Some reconaissance missions.

17 Sept.
Soviet invasion - evacuation order to Romania. Unit's last one P-7 (piloted by Lt Główczyński) has landed in Czerniowce - Romania.

19/20 Sept.
Remaining unit personnell crossed the Romanian border via Kuty in vehicular echelon.


1939 combat route of 161&162 Eskadra Myśliwska
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/16/162_esk_mysl.png
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Re: Map of Poland 1939 update - in the works
« Reply #44 on: October 02, 2020, 04:18:41 AM »

Many thanks for kind help providing this information, Is.  ]thumbsup[

Those maps are quite good, but I've already found them myself on Polish Wikipedia.

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Re: Map of Poland 1939 update - in the works
« Reply #45 on: October 02, 2020, 09:03:00 AM »

Many thanks for kind help providing this information, Is.  ]thumbsup[

Those maps are quite good, but I've already found them myself on Polish Wikipedia.

You're welcome.

About maps: If You have them already I'will change pictures to links only for clearness of this thread.
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Re: Map of Poland 1939 update - in the works
« Reply #46 on: December 23, 2020, 04:44:12 AM »

Hi

Unfortunately the fine tuning after the populating with Objectset took much longer than I anticipated, so the release is postponed to first half 2021.
The actors.static become 7,46MB after some additional populating and that is one the limit what my old computer can handle, so I have had quite a few FMB crashes with corrupt saves and that has also slowed down the fine tuning process.  :-[
But I've found a work around that works for me.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

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