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tartenmuche

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german torpedoes
« on: February 15, 2017, 10:39:12 AM »

Dear all,
I recently ran a campagne with He 111 and Ju 88 launching torpedoes. In spite of respecting the figures of speed and altitude given in the right upper corner of my screen I got the message" bad entry in the water". I changed the type of the torpedo without success. I also tried a campagne previously run inside CUP without trouble: same problem.
I also noticed that previously I was able to see the sillage of the torpedo which is no more the case. I did the test with an american torpedo.
Did somebody meet the problem?
Best regards.
Tart
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Re: german torpedoes
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2017, 11:06:37 AM »

That is not C.U.P. / B.A.T. issues, but just stock game feature from 4.10.1m time.
Each torpedo class has own diving limit conditions.
So, each torpedo class has different dropped height and speed to succeed running in the water.
Not only too high altitude or too high flying speed, some torpedoes fail diving in too low speed or too low altitude to be dropped.
And so, late models were expanded those conditions --- become easier --- than early models.

1C / TD might give us those limit value sheet in 4.10.1m time, now I cannot find where I saw it.

And stock 4.11.1m and later .... also C.U.P. and B.A.T. .... have new Difficulty settings ---
 - Weapons & Stores .... Fragile Torpedoes
When you disable this difficulty, torpedoes become not so easy failing.
Trading off between Realistic or Pleasure.
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Re: german torpedoes
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2017, 02:59:38 PM »

DreamK's Torpedo overhaul makes B.A.T. much more realististic.  I have done some torpedo dropping missins for some up-coming campaigns and you really do have to fly right on the numbers.  What numbers are you using exactly and for what torpedo?  This seems a complicated question, but the answers are in table form towards the end of the B.A.T. Manual.
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Re: german torpedoes
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2017, 10:11:08 AM »

Dear Monty,
you are right. From the tables in the BAT manual it appears that the American torpedoes allow a launching at min 3 meters and the German at 30, furthermore the gap between min and max altitude is greater in the case of American torpedoes. Maybe it could be a good idea to give the min altitude beside the max on the screen. During my test I also found that there are American torpedoes unknown by Dreamk in the weapons list for the Devastator and the TBM i.e. "torpedo" and "MK13". Launching values for these torpedoes are however given on the screen.
I will start the campaign again taking care of the min values of the German torpedoes and have a sharper look on the sillage. Maybe I could sink at least one ship.
Best regards.
Tart
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Re: german torpedoes
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2017, 01:29:51 AM »

Use that:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/hycch2sg2ubhu0m/Torpedoes+Launch+Parameters.pdf

This includes all the parameters need to  launch the torpedoes included in my pack.
But you're right, for some reason the launch parameters of the Mk7 mod 5A that equipped some early Devastators has "dropped" somehow from this pdf file. Here're the parameters for this torpedo:
Mk7mod5A   
max speed 177 km/h min height 3m   max height 10 meters  Weight 738kg Explosive 148 kg Speed 66 km/h Range 3200m Year 1935
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Re: german torpedoes
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2017, 07:50:58 AM »

Dear Dreamk,
thank you for your help.
I had already a more complete table including the Mk7mod5A from your Aerial Torpedoes Folder from CUP and your table is included in the BAT manual.
Some aircrafts use other designation of torpedoes than yours, certainly as an heritage from previous version of the game. Limits for max altitude and speed appear anyway on the screen even in this case. I have noticed that for the He-111H6, the only He111 able to launch torpedoes , there is only one selection: 2 torpedoes LTF5B(salvo) but when I run a mission, on the screen appears: torpedo 45-12-AN (a russian one) max 30 m max 205 km/h, that is a bit confusing.
I fear that just adding your lines in the weapons folder of these aircrafts shall bring problems beyond my ability?
Your fantastic job is very useful. The actual pilots had the figures in their mind when they attacked. Since the min altitude can also bring trouble, wouldn't it be useful to have the min altitude next to max altitude and max speed in the right corner of the screen. Don't ask me to look at a paper on my desk when I fly at 5 meters above the sea at 200 km/h with a TBF1 for instance.
Is that not possible by just adding a line in conf.ini?
By the way, how can I get the AOB and spread parameters in the Ju88?
I hope I don't bore you.
Best regards.
Tart
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