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Alfie Noakes

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Re: Morane Saulnier G/H/L/LA
« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2015, 03:41:32 PM »

Many thanks Gio, stalker & Pete for this lovely collection of a/c
A delight to fly and a useful payload  ;)



Alfie uses the new 10kg Tar Brand to devastating effect    :D
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Re: Morane Saulnier G/H/L/LA
« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2015, 06:01:50 PM »

It looks just fine. I guess it'll turn up in it's own good time.

cheers

David

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Re: Morane Saulnier G/H/L/LA
« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2015, 12:12:30 AM »

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  I guess it'll turn up in it's own good time.
 
   :D :D :D
I'm also trying to work out what 40kg bombs, a m/g and a gunner would do to the top speed of  a Morane........
I think the LA model would struggle to make 100kph...... o_O

Marvelous  :D

Cheers

Alfie
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Re: Morane Saulnier G/H/L/LA
« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2015, 03:11:57 AM »

Hello guys, the two seater from what I read was a racer but retains the bombs of the single seat G just in
case it was armed, the cockpit bomb would most likely just be carried if there were two aboard ;)

I am told up to about 270kg of bombs could be carried by some of the aircraft, other than that the only information
I had to go on regarding armament were images provided by Stalker from various sources.

The main limitation would be the bombs carried inside the cockpit, 16 kg I think was mentioned as a figure.

Here are the images provided by Stalker that helped considerably in placement of the external loads, they also
show some of the guns:


































What I do not know is the type of bombs actually used or their exact weight, WWI is not actually
a period I have much information on so I rely on you guys to provide me with photographs and
specific information otherwise I just use what is to hand. 

The types of bombs used are off other aircraft because I already know they work and will show
in each of my installs, DBW 1916, DBW 1.71 and TD 4.12 with SAS ModAct 5.30.

David has asked for Cooper bombs, those I could add but where?  Same position as on the Nieuports?
How many?

Other versions can also be added but again specific information would help considerably.

For eg. If you want a Pfalz A1, is it single or two seat, guns and bombs or just bombs or just a gun, exact designation.

I think you get the idea, what I do not want to do is guess what you ask for or make a incorrect assumption, also
a photograph if possible.

Take care guys.

Wishing you all the very best, Pete. ;D
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Re: Morane Saulnier G/H/L/LA
« Reply #16 on: November 26, 2015, 03:49:30 AM »

Here are two more images that were a request from Stalker:







"then maybe it is added
Moran LA / LA and Pfalz A.I"

"Pfalz A1 - Only bombs
 Pfalz F1G -pulemet"


The information was to me a little confusing so I can make assumptions:

Pfalz A1 = Like the Morane Saulnier_L two seater, bombs no guns.

Pfalz from the photograph = Like the Morane Saulnier_RG, single seater but with the same machine gun as the Pfalz E1.   Bombs or not?

From the second image Pfalz/Morane? = Like the Morane Saulnier LA/R but with the gun similar to the RG, one
forward firing the other in the turret.  Two seater but does it also have bombs?

If I type 'pulemet' into a internet search it sends me to links for Kalisnikov or AK-47, so what exactly is that and more importantly is
it the weapon Gio used for the MS_RG?

It is not always easy to look at a photograph and determine whether it is a two seater or not, if a second windscreen is
there then you can go with two seat but if not?  Could be single seat but also two without a screen, these are not
aircraft I am familiar with so usually I just go with what Gio has in the folders and name them accordingly.

I am not in the best of health at the moment so doing anything is a struggle and takes much longer than it did, I can
only do it a bit at a time so I do not want to spend many hours building a aircraft on a assumption only to find it is wrong.

So if you want something adding please be specific and provide as much information as you can. ;)

Take care guys.

Wishing you all the very best, Pete. ;D

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Re: Morane Saulnier G/H/L/LA
« Reply #17 on: November 26, 2015, 07:17:57 AM »



No more than 4-6 Cooper bombs for the L, and LA please. The mountings shown in the pics look OK.

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Re: Morane Saulnier G/H/L/LA
« Reply #18 on: November 26, 2015, 08:33:11 AM »

Pete
Ignore my inane prattlings, sod the Morane and get well soon  ;D
You're far too valuable a modder to loose....especially to us WW I addicts  :D

Cheers

Alfie 
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Re: Morane Saulnier G/H/L/LA
« Reply #19 on: November 26, 2015, 04:18:32 PM »

This was the initial way to carry bombs on Russian Moranes:





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Re: Morane Saulnier G/H/L/LA
« Reply #20 on: November 26, 2015, 07:21:41 PM »

Will there be a template released so that we can paint and fly unmarked examples as civilian aircraft or early no-roundel scouts?? Beautiful work so far!
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Re: Morane Saulnier G/H/L/LA
« Reply #21 on: November 26, 2015, 07:31:12 PM »

Will there be a template released so that we can paint and fly unmarked examples as civilian aircraft or early no-roundel scouts?? Beautiful work so far!
but this is not enough?
http://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,49181.0.html
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Re: Morane Saulnier G/H/L/LA
« Reply #22 on: November 27, 2015, 05:00:29 AM »


No more than 4-6 Cooper bombs for the L, and LA please. The mountings shown in the pics look OK.

The Cooper bombs are quite slim so if I use existing weapon slots they would possibly stick out quite a way from the fuselage, I will try that but if I am correct in my assumption I will place new slots and add the rack and four bombs under the fuselage I think. :-|


Pete
Ignore my inane prattlings, sod the Morane and get well soon  ;D
You're far too valuable a modder to loose....especially to us WW I addicts  :D

Cheers

Alfie 

No problem Alfie, it is hoped people will post comments and information in the thread that will hopefully improve the model. ;)

I am not going to make any changes just yet so you guys have a chance to experiment with what you have and report back on what you feel needs changing, that said I cannot guarantee I can actually implement what you want.

This was the initial way to carry bombs on Russian Moranes:



Thank you very much for the photographs Dreamk, greatly appreciated, I will add that option on the to do list. 8)

Will there be a template released so that we can paint and fly unmarked examples as civilian aircraft or early no-roundel scouts?? Beautiful work so far!

What, judging by the huge amount of outstanding skins that Stalker made for this series of aircraft can there possibly be some he missed. :o

I think you will find his downloads usually include the templates. 8)


Take care guys.

Wishing you all the very best, Pete. ;D
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Re: Morane Saulnier G/H/L/LA
« Reply #23 on: November 27, 2015, 05:59:27 AM »

Hello guys, I have been searching through the many folders today sent to me by Gio and Stalker and it looks like I had something on the Pfalz A1 all along. :-[

Apologies to Stalker for that, I will now take a look and see just what needs doing.  ;)

The model does not show in my SkinL programme but does in the Stainless one so it may yet need some tinkering to get it going.

Anyway, here are the images that were also in that folder:







This actually looks as though there is no rear cockpit as the airman is sat on what looks like a
solid fuselage. :-|



Definately a two seater, no forward firing gun.




These would seem to indicate that the PfalzA1 version is definately a two seater and in the images unarmed except possibly with bombs.

So again to the earlier image that has a nose mounted machine gun like the Pfalz E-1, is that a armed two seater or could we conclude that
like the RG version we do in fact have a German single seat type with forward firing gun?

Such a mass of information comes my way that unfortunately some of it is moved and forgotten. :-[


Take care guys.

Wishing you all the very best, Pete. ;D
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