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I./JG 27 'The Rest Of The Pack': Bf109 E-7/Trops
« on: September 23, 2014, 09:21:59 PM »

The rest of I./JG 27, only pure historicals, after wartime pictures.



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new historical Skins: White 4, Black 1, 11, Yellow 6 no.2 (former Stab Kite)

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!!!Only for the Trop-Filter variant on Desert Maps, not suited for stock Bf 109 E-7...!!!

Long Bla-Bla:
It comes often other than expected, what Skinning can be, read in the History of this Pack.
Already in shape 4 years ago, this is the complete re-assembling.
The first I tried uploading a similar Pack on M4T around early 2010, it didn't worked for me,
at this time I had trouble with my provider. I completely forgot about it, then a HD crash struck in.
The Joy of things we never understand nor want to happen.
Having no traces of my Bf 109 Templates, after years I did it again, the Pack even grew, as more historicals came in.
Already historically and accurate skinned will be not touched again, here comes the rest, that lurks in the pictures
and might be forgotten over time.
I didn't took one sole reproduction as the base for these Skins, but collected as much copies of the actual pics I could grab. Always on the run for a better picture. This way ensuring to find neat details in pics.



It may be hilarious, but true, multiple Tactical codes occured, if we compare the true loss statistics of I.JG.27 from their arrival to re-equipment with Friedrichs.
It's just a bit of reallity. We have brief clear evidence of 3 differently marked White 7 and at least up to 4  White 6. Of these one in the Desert scheme could be in fact Yellow, but we don't want to be nitpicky, as the roll of the multiple kites carries on it's mysteries up to multiple Yellow and White coded 8.
Amongst these one is a bit of a curiosity, a White 7 completely lacking Theatre markings.
The outragous in the multiple paints, there is not only a difference in the lettering application/placement, but also according spinnertips, fuselagebands and national markings application, where subtile, I made these changes.
Only known Pilots from this Pack Espenlaub and his personal White 5 and Jochen in his unlucky Yellow 13 that was shot up over Yugoslavia. A still questionable kite is a late December 1941 crash-site of a White or Yellow 8 in unusual old Markings, found by british advancing Troops.
The crash was known to be just days before the British advance, the pilot made it back to lines, so it is very likely, the mixed up outlook of ETO and MTO kept housing Emils until the last example was poured out unserviceable. Allied found traces of servicing work, canniballizing parts on abbandoned E-7s.
Hence the theory of late pure desert looking Emils is a dream rather than reality.
I./JG 27 re-equipped  to E-7/trop long before their move to the Balkans, as the first of their Geschwader, you'll find no traces of E-4 here.

I found more good pictures in Books on the general opic of North-Africa, than in any JG 27 related Literature.
Some very good shots seem to not have made it into publications too, most of british source, these show neat crash sites of different kites the unit shredded.



Some neat Info, it's not overwhelming:
Bf 109 E-7/Trop Yellow 13, Hans-Joachim Marseille, Balkans, 1941
Bf 109 E-7/Trop White 5, Albert Espenlaub, Gela/Sicily, Spring 1941
Bf 109 E-7/Trop Yellow 6, Hans-Joachim Marseille, Lybia, Spring 1941
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The Rest courtesy of the unknown Pilots of the funny Group.

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Happy flying Mates....

Sources incomplete:

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Web:
IMW
Bundesarchiv/Bildstelle
Google
E-Bay
Falke-Eins.blogspot.com
Yoomla-SAAF-blog
JG27 Veteransites/Forums
Assizbiz.com

Books:

Jagdgeschwader 27 Werner Girbig Motorbuch Verlag


Luftwaffe in Africa, 1941-1943 by Jean-Louis Roba
Jagdwaffe Vol 3 Sect 1 Strike in the Balkans April - May 1941
Jagdwaffe Vol 3 Sect 3 War over the Desert North Africa June 1940-June 1942
Jagdwaffe Vol 4 Sect 2 Mediterranian 1942-43
Osprey - Luftwaffe Fighter Units Mediterranean 1941-44
Osprey - Aircraft of the Aces 002 - Bf 109 Aces of North Africa and Meditterraean
Osprey - Aviation Elite Units 012 - Jagdgeschwader 27 'Afrika'
Osprey - Duel 38 - P-40 Warhawk vs Bf 109 MTO 1942-1944
A History of the Mediterranean Air War 1940-1945 Vol. 1, 2
Luftwaffe in colour. Volume 1, The victory years, 1939-1942
Kagero Miniatury Lotnicze JG27 Vol. 1, 2, 3, 4

Aj-Press - Monografie Lotnicze Messerschmitt Me 109 (Part 1-5)
Luftwaffe im Focus
Der Adler
Flieger Revue
Avions Hors
Wydawnictwo Militaria
Wydawnictwo Kagero

tons of secondary literature used up
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Luftwaffe Camouflage and Markings:

RAL Research / Luftwaffe/WW2 RAL colour specimen - HAWK-Hildesheim/Fakultät Farbdesign & Yale Library
The Official Monogram Painting Guide to German Aircraft 1935-1945 by Kenneth A. Merrick, Thomas H. Hitchcock
Luftwaffe Colours 1935 - 1945 by Michael Ullmann
Luftwaffe Camouflage 1935-40 Vol. 2-3, Kookaburra Tech. Public. -
Luftwaffe Camouflage and Markings 1933-1945, by Kenneth A. Merrick, Jürgen Kiroff
Camouflage and Markings of the Aeronautica Nazionale Repubblicana 1943-1945 by Ferdinando D’Amico, Gabriele Valentini
Colori E Schemi Mimetici Della Regia Aeronautica 1935-1943 parte 1, 2, 3 Umberto Postiglioni, Andrea Degl’Innocenti
Colori E Schemi Mimetici Della Regia Aeronautica 1935-1943 (II) Umberto Postiglioni, Andrea Degl’Innocenti
Real Colours of WW2 AK Press
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Re: I./JG 27 'The Rest Of The Pack': Bf109 E-7/Trops
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2014, 11:02:57 PM »

Yes please! Thank you Knochenlutscher! Historical skins are the best skins in my book. These are greatly appreciated.
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Re: I./JG 27 'The Rest Of The Pack': Bf109 E-7/Trops
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2014, 11:30:48 PM »

Enjoy them
Best Regards
Knoch
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Re: I./JG 27 'The Rest Of The Pack': Bf109 E-7/Trops
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2014, 12:18:19 AM »

Downloading now, tank you, I love historical skin ;)
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Re: I./JG 27 'The Rest Of The Pack': Bf109 E-7/Trops
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2014, 01:01:23 AM »

DANKEEEEE sehr schön gemachte Skins super
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Re: I./JG 27 'The Rest Of The Pack': Bf109 E-7/Trops
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2014, 06:17:45 AM »

Thank you Buddy.
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Re: I./JG 27 'The Rest Of The Pack': Bf109 E-7/Trops
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2021, 01:27:59 AM »

Skinpack Update out for grab, this time just a sole historical addition.

Best wishes
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Re: I./JG 27 'The Rest Of The Pack': Bf109 E-7/Trops
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2021, 01:41:22 AM »

Nice one Tobi... keep it up mate!
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Re: I./JG 27 'The Rest Of The Pack': Bf109 E-7/Trops
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2021, 02:20:34 AM »

... many THX for sharing these pure jewels, Tobias, and also for the historical details ...!  ;)

I love your Luftwaffe desert skins ...  :P

... and a huge THX for the spinners that have no prop blade holes, as they are thus compatible with Barnesy's E series new 3D ...!  8)
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Re: I./JG 27 'The Rest Of The Pack': Bf109 E-7/Trops
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2021, 11:00:29 AM »

I like it very much!
thanks a lot
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Re: I./JG 27 'The Rest Of The Pack': Bf109 E-7/Trops
« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2021, 05:53:15 PM »

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Bf 109 E-7/Trop Yellow 13, Hans-Joachim Marseille, Balkans, 1941
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------> Do you know this online book https://issuu.com/vedrangrubeic/docs/59932406-hans-joachim-marseille   I knew that Marseille always flew Gelbe 14, not 13.
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« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2021, 06:16:46 PM »




Bf 109 E-7/Trop Yellow 13, Hans-Joachim Marseille, Balkans, 1941
Bf 109 E-7/Trop Yellow 6, Hans-Joachim Marseille, Lybia, Spring 1941

These are known Photographs in far better researched Publications Today,
Years gone private pictures came to light, next to it better info and communications came together,
solving details.
You dunno what a puzzle of Info is good for, Yellow 6, first seen in the Crash reports and war Diary.
Pictures came very late to prove it's date being exactly Hajos 2nd crash.
remember his first occured right after arriving in Africa.



This was Hajos 109 ??? he ferried, the kite in the foreground having still no mottling applied and
white tyre bands. There is a high chance this is the kite of his first crash just days later after these pictures where taken at Sicilly. That is a claim or wild guess.
 The Op Marita 13 was heavilly mottled and later depicted with patched up
repaired state and same mottling, marking the 2 Flak accidents of the suspicious day when Hajo flew it.
Not on earth this the same Kite. No indication at any reliable source to claim it is 14.

I dunno what you think about LW, but as ordinary as hajo was at this time, but he definitely got no personal Kite, until he proved to be a tremendous Ace or of sth. worthy to claim sth in that feature.
Even if you were Hartmann or dicker Herrmann personally, it doesn't mean you're kite wasn't shared?
Don't expect a locked up carport in wartime for every Emil in these strips and Major Homuth slapping you back as you walk for Hajos 14, if Hajo slept, his kite was readied and flown by Fritze.
When Hajo was awake there was a chance his Kite was pranged by others too. Since that is reported too, guesses are a fair share if you ask me.
Just that you got a personal plane, makes no ownership.
Unless you're Theo Blaich and bring your own kite.





there was a second Yellow 6, from British sources of a crashed E-7, but the crash state and overall paint doesn't match this Yellow 6, which was part of a german Salvage operation. It's overall shape is nearly identical to White 6 no4. It is a two-tone E-7, later used up.
This british source was claimed to be Hajos 6, just until the real pictures popped up.

aclaimed "14" is long like a stretched bubble gum

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