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[FL2070]

I don't get enough tracers when firing a ShVAK cannon. Are there any mods that fix/change this? I am using 4.12.2m with MA5.3.

[Royzewic]

as i experienced, only the 0.50 cals got enough tracers, the german steel dont got enough fire rate in the game neither

[SAS~Storebror]

The chance to get a modder to pick up your request is much higher if you could provide any evidence that what you claim to be wrong really is wrong.
Books, technical specifications, data tables etc...
Without it we'd be just talking about your personal perception and frankly that doesn't get me doing anything, can't say for other modders.

Best regards - Mike

[Royzewic]

Okay then, in this video shows the fire rate of the 20mm cannon of the '109 at 2:50
its just extremely higher than in the game need more evidence or you just want to make a video while i using my watch  during a shooting test? No offense, of course!
youtube

[SAS~Storebror]

this video shows the fire rate of the 20mm cannon of the '109 at 2:50

You're kidding. The video shows what?
To me it shows a couple of gunsmokes in a blurred 70 years old something.

Is this your

Books, technical specifications, data tables etc...

which I've asked for?
Okay, let me shorten this before the madness goes on.
IRL the MG 151/20 had 750rpm rate of fire.
In Il-2 it has 720rpm. How close do you want to get? Hope you don't want to tell me that you saw the 30rpm difference in that crippled blurred something posted before...

Best regards - Mike

[WxTech]

Isn't the question regarding the *tracer* rate, not the full bullet ROF? I find the ShVAK tracer rate to be quite sparse, but if realistic I have no complaint.

[Eexhaton]

Tracer rates of the 20mm ShVak cannons has been low since the early days of Il2.
Someone should find the historical ammobelt setups and compare it to what it is in Il2. Plus both the real cannon and ingame RoFs.

Still; it was never impossible to hit something with it. (But that could also be because the platform the gun is mounted on, is only a slight bit OP *chuckles* ) Yes, La5FN, I look at you!

[SAS~Storebror]

Isn't the question regarding the *tracer* rate, not the full bullet ROF?

Is was in the beginning, but my last answer was related to the post before, wich was...

this video shows the fire rate of the 20mm cannon of the '109 at 2:50

...and if at all, you can only really see some kind of bullet fire in that video since all you see is condensed trails of the bullets (reasonable at bomber altitude) and for sure you can't distinguish between condensation and tracers in that bright daylight blurred something called "footage" there.

I find the ShVAK tracer rate to be quite sparse, but if realistic I have no complaint.

Tracer rates of the 20mm ShVak cannons has been low since the early days of Il2.
Someone should find the historical ammobelt setups and compare it to what it is in Il2.

Feelings don't count. Realistic or not would be possible to discuss once this request of mine would be heared and fulfilled:

any evidence that what you claim to be wrong really is wrong.
Books, technical specifications, data tables etc...

Feelings, thoughts and hearsay don't get us anywhere.

Best regards - Mike

[SAS~Malone]

i have to agree that i have no clue what i'm seeing in that video, at the 2:50 mark - my hat's off to anyone who interpreted that as some indicator of realistic tracers, for me it's way too blurred and vague to make anything definite out.
as Storebror has mentioned, show us some facts, and we can do something about it.
if, as it seems so far, it's just a general conception (misconception might be more suited) then we simply won't do any changes based on what an individual 'feels' is better.

and for sure, this poor thread has had a rough deal, where the poster asked about Russian tracers, and then immediately another guy starts turning it into a thread about German tracers.
wtf, Royzewic, make your own thread for this, don't derail some other guys thread, please.

[FL2070]

This is my problem:

Tracer!
Wait a few years...
Tracer!

I can't see where I am firing.

[SAS~Malone]

so, in effect then, you are talking about this from a point of view that you personally don't like it, not from any historically accurate point of view?
i'm sure there are several things about many aircraft that i would personally like to be 'better' for myself, but i am here for the simulator point of view, as are most of us.
in other words, i want to have the same advantages/disadvantages that the real pilots would have suffered from.
if you want a game where everything is just as you want it, accuracy be damned, then you shouldn't be here, you should be playing some other arcade game rather.
give us some historical facts, and we can do something about it.
give us your personal feelings, then -  sorry, we are not going to change things just so that you can have it the way you like.
it defeats the entire point in having a game that is trying hard to represent things as accurately as possible. even as it is, it falls short of being a simulator in many regards, and we are not about to change it to be more arcade-like, just because it's what someone personally prefers.
you need to develop the skills with shooting without tracers, pretty much as the real pilots had to do.

[WxTech]

Given the game designer chose such a sparse tracer count in the belt, we might conclude there is historical basis. Can anyone ferret this out? Do we implicitly trust the designer if a source is not given?

Such a low rate as near 1/second is not particularly useful. At more rapid closure rates the solution changes rather too rapidly to rely on such a slow cue rate. And for very short ranging bursts no tracer may appear. I'd almost rather have none than so few. Unless the tracer round has other useful properties besides shot tracing.