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Author Topic: Talvisota's I-153 and I-16 type 17 with retractable skis/ armament) Update 5/14  (Read 16136 times)

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Dreamk

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Strangely enough the versions of the Polikarpov fighters that took part in Talvisota and in the Continuation war have been somehow neglected - so here they are:
1) the I-153 with retractable skis
2) the I-16 type 17 with retractable skis.

A few remarks:
The I-16 type 10 was the first I-16 that could be equipped with retractable skis, but the type 17 was the first designed to be so, with notches under the cowling so that the skis could retract fully under the fuselage and not hamper at all performances.
Type 17 on skis may have been equipped wityh a tail wheel instead of a tail skid - all info on thsi matter would be wellcome.
(I'd like very much to see pictures of the type 10 with retracted ski gear to understand how it looked as it must have protruded somehow on this version)
The fixed skis versions of the I-16 type 5 and type 6 are somehow a puzzle for me - the first one was seen on the prototype and officially not used in operations, but the photos of a Finnish operated type 5 show a fixed gear (wheeled) identical in its structure to this fixed ski gear - and Chinese UTI photos show UTI-4 equipped with such a fixed wheeled gear.
The second one could have been a "take-off skis" configuration with skis helping for take off of the full weighted plane, then being dropped after take off, the aircraft landing on its low pressure tyres.  I am still cautious with thsi info and look for confirmation - whoever can help please do so, it would be a very nice mod to do and fly.
Skis could fully retract on the I-153 and keep the beautiful lines of this plane. Was indeed the gear indeed and not manual on the I-153 as it is in this sim?
(The I-15bis with fixed skis gear is already present in the sim, as it was used by the Fins.
I have found no evidence of I-151  - "Chatos" I-15s as seen in Spain -  used on skis in operations - only photos of the prototype with a fized skis gear .)



I-153 "Talvisota" with retractable skis



Download link
http://www.mediafire.com/?crw5mtdj1q0a40t
air.ini
I-153S       air.I_153S 1                      NOINFO  r01   SUMMER

plane_ru.properties
I-153S       I-153 M-62 Skis, 1939

weapons_ru.properties

################################################################
# I-153S
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I-153S.default                             Default
I-153S.4xAO10m2      4xAO10m2
I-153S.2xAO10m2+2xAO25m1   2xAO10m2+2xAO25m1
I-153S.2xAO20m3+2xAO20m4   2xAO20m3+2xAO20m4
I-153S.4xAO25m1bis      4xAO25m1bis
I-153S.4x25m30      4x25m30
I-153S.4x25m30+2x15m30Inc   4x25m30+2x15m30Inc
I-153S.2xAO10m2+2xFAB50SV   2xAO10m2+2xFAB50SV
I-153S.2xAO25m1+2FAB50m2   2xAO25m1+2FAB50m2
I-153S.2x25m30+2x50m30   2x25m30+2x50m30
I-153S.2xFAB50m6+2FAB50m5   2xFAB50m6+2FAB50m5
I-153S.4xFAB50SV      4xFAB50SV
I-153S.4x50m30      4x50m30
I-153S.4x50m37bis      4x50m37bis
I-153S.4x50m38      4x50m38
I-153S.2xFAB50SV      2xFAB50SV
I-153S.2xFAB50m7      2xFAB50m7
I-153S.none                             Empty



I-16 type 17 "Talvisota" with retractable skis



Download link
http://www.mediafire.com/?78j3vdbi2ygsxfo

air.ini
I-16type17S        air.I_16TYPE17S 1                      NOINFO  r01   SUMMER

plane_ru.properties
I-16type17S           I-16 Type 17 Skis, 1938

weapons_ru.properties

################################################################
# I-16type17S
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I-16type17S.default                      Default
I-16type17S.2xFAB50SV   2 FAB-100 SV
I-16type17S.2xFAB50m4   2 FAB-50 m4
I-16type17S.2xFAB50m3   2 FAB-50 m3
I-16type17S.2xFAB100SV   2 FAB-100 SV
I-16type17S.2xFAB100SCh   2 FAB-100 SCh
I-16type17S.2xFAB100TsK   2 FAB-100 TsK
I-16type17S.none                         Empty

These planes need to install the Russian and Finnish bomb packs to fly correctly.
Download links for those who have not yet installed them:

Finnish Bombs
http://www.mediafire.com/?kvl4sbngsr6tdtv

Russian Bombs
http://www.mediafire.com/?5f6m1qkdvxz2l87


Update
Here are the versions for 4.12.2 Modact 5.30
I-16 type 17 Skis:
https://www.mediafire.com/?fied1rntpjdxgeu


I-153 Skis:
https://www.mediafire.com/?q2nnx186uzuguvs


Credits:

Additional 3dmeshes, Java files: Dreamk
The I-16 type 17 is based on the Blitz's I-16 SAS cutouts pack's type 17 and the I-153 on the Early Chaikas pack recently uploaded on this forum.

Theses files should not cause any problems with your computer, but we accept no responsibility if you think it does.

Thanks to Oleg Maddox and Qtim for creating Il2 and opening the gates to Mod creation, to Kumpel for his matrix tool, and thanks to SAS for enabling modders to

share their knowledge on Il2 modding.
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Tofolo

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This is awesome, as always!

Thanks a lot to you and the whole team for this wonderplanes :)
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  • Love IK-3 and hate FW-190 :P !

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Hey, hey, hey! What a marvel! I thought the "Talvisota" pack had been finnished, but obviously Dreamk has even more surprises hidden in his sleeve. I am not greedy (just curious): Are there going to be some more planes for Talvisota or is this the last batch?
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Nifty planes ... what an idea, retractable skis ...
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thank you, for mods and for the historical accuracy you followed building them !!!  :)
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Mission_bug

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Both aircraft installed and working with no problems, thank you very much Dreamk for these. 8)






In the book Suomen Ilmavoimien Historia No 7 all photographs of Finnish aircraft shown with skis also have
a tail ski, however, in the photograph below we see when this particular aircraft was using a wheeled
undercarriage a tail wheel is used.

The ski undercarriage also appears to be of the fixed type, the book also shows this aircraft in the Soviet
scheme as machine No 15 when it was captured at Gogland.


The only photograph in the book that actually shows any kind of ski gear retracted, and then only partially.
The machine is either on a trestle or is suspended.



As for the type used in Finland there were two that actually flew.

Quote from the book ''The Finnish Air Force had thus two airworthy I-16 fighters, of which VH-21 of type 27, but was in Finland made similar to Type 24.  IR-101 represented Type 6.''



Wishing you all the very best, Pete. ;D
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Heeey that looks super!  8)
I have just seen this post and it looks excellent. I always wanted to try some skying flying lessons.
Thank You DreamK for making this very cool version. I must fly it soon!


 
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I 've installed them. Great. These ski versions were very much needed, not only for the continuation war, but operation barbarossa too. Thanks DreamK you did so much for us this year that I have not enough words to thank you.

I 've used the wheels mod and the Jeronimo's 3DO improvements and apart from the spinner of the I-153, the rest fitted perfectly. But indeed the 'fat' spinner was used too as I can see in photos, so there is so harm to have another I-153 version with the old spinner.

EDIT: I just checked, the fat spinner goes along with the M-25 engine, so it's not historically accurate.

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For those that want to enjoy the 3do updates of jeronimo and birdman (together with the wheel mod too if they like)


and they are annoyed by the wrong position of the spinner please do the following -

step 1: paste all the new meshes

in the 3do/plane/I-153 folder

step 2: Open the hierS file and change the following lines

[Prop1_D0]
Mesh Prop1_D0
Parent Engine1_D0
Separable
Attaching 0 -1 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 0.9723 0 -0.02251 -- Add this line and disactivate the old one (Attaching 0 -1 0 1.15 0 0 0 0 1 0.5540 0 -0.02251)

Enjoy!
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Here are the versions for 4.12.2 Modact 5.30:

I-16 type 17 Skis:
https://www.mediafire.com/?fied1rntpjdxgeu

I-153 Skis:
https://www.mediafire.com/?q2nnx186uzuguvs
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barber

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Hi

Both planes fly fine, thank you Dream_K but....
on I-153 and I-16 planes (all of them in the game) the controls for elevator trims do not work!
Its the same problem in DBW and 412.2++ in two different pcs. The trims work in all other russian planes
but the I`s are the problem. Any ideas?

Cheers
Barber
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