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Ass Eagle

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WIP Bf109G-10 'Weisse 11' Rosemarie Historical
« on: July 14, 2012, 09:07:54 AM »

Hello!

I spent many months studying fotos of 'Rosemarie' to make as historically correct depiction
as I can. Still a WIP, but I hope you like!

Features:
~ Corrected Overall Colours (educated guess based on colour fotos of simular A/C)
~ Cowl Paint (still a WIP)
~ Corrected Gruppe II Markings
~ Corrected Luft 4 Markings (50cm cowl band & placement. May change as I'm not convinced of a stripe being there)
~ Corrected 'Rosemarie' Script ( more refined & weathered)
~ Much more to do!

Credits:
Fuse Template ~ Ravenshins
Wing Template ~ Ravenskins
Basic Fuse Skin ~ Foobar
Recolour/Cowl/Markings/Rosemarie Script/Damage ~ Ice Eagle
Period Correct Fotos ~ Luftwaffe over Czech Territory - 1945
                             ~ Augsburg's Last Eagles - Colors, Markings and Variants
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Re: WIP Bf109G-10 'Weisse 11' Rosemarie Historical
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2012, 11:14:28 AM »

Hello Ice Eagle

You have a nice approach of the subject.

May I suggest to "scrutinize" pages 39 and 41 of your source~ Luftwaffe over Czech Territory - 1945.

It seems to me that the Yellow band appears to be just behind the spinner , and that the rest of the cowling appear darker than the rest of the fuselage.
The paint appearing behind the 1 (unit) of 11 is looks like what could be "fresh" RLM 75 and so maybe a little bit darker than what you suggest in your " superb " WIP skin.
 
It would be a nice idea if you could develop two different skins , as the place of the yellow band is a "toss" work !

Congratulations.


PS. Is it possible to supress the radio mast ?

Sonny Tucson. :)
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Re: WIP Bf109G-10 'Weisse 11' Rosemarie Historical
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2012, 01:53:51 PM »

Hello Sonny,

First off thank you, and you may scrutinize, no problem!

I think behind the number `white 11`it should be RLM 78. Reason being:

~ This was a late war modification (around April, 1945). Paint was in EXTREME short supply, and thus, very hard to get.
~ Judging by the foto on page 41, it looks much lighter then RLM 75, and although RLM 78 had been discontinued via
technical bulletin, it was probably 'on hand', or, its whatever the painter happen to grab.

The cowl is a tuff one. I see no evidence of a painted over JG53 symbol, so therefore no reason to believe this is a panel from a former JG53 aircraft. Reasons I decided on that colour on the cowl:

~ Staring at the foto, inverting the colours, making known colour example into black and white with simular contrast, I
can safely say the cowl was mostly done in RLM 81 & RLM 83.
~ The RLM 27 Luft 4 50cm stripe, thats the controversy. In the book 'Augsburg's Last Eagles - Colors, Markings and Variants' is a better foto, although still with contrast. In my eyes, I can see no stripe, but I put anyways. That may change.

Other then that, the rest of the paint seems typical for a WNF built G-10. I think the truth lies somewhere inbetween the two books, and
thats what I try to show here.

Yes.. I'd like to get rif of the radio mast too..

Best Regards!

Horrido!
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Re: WIP Bf109G-10 'Weisse 11' Rosemarie Historical
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2012, 03:20:38 PM »

Hi Ice

Nicely developped answer .

I like "  the truth lies somewhere inbetween the two books".

My kingdom for a colour picture of this aircraft !

I wish you all the best for your futur works.

Sonny Tucson :)
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Re: WIP Bf109G-10 'Weisse 11' Rosemarie Historical
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2012, 08:26:37 PM »


Well thats the trick, to know if the colour is close. My great uncle (ex 109 pilot), is my 'go to'
guy when it comes to colours. Fortunately his memory is still as sharp as a razor. So he can get me very close.

Now black and white:


As for which yellow, RLM 04 or RLM 27, I'll tend to RLM 27. I'm not convinced of any Luft 4 ID on this eagle.
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Re: WIP Bf109G-10 'Weisse 11' Rosemarie Historical
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2012, 10:21:07 AM »

Oh nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo !

The yellow Luftflotte 6 band is clearly visible on the pictures page 39 of LW over czech territory.
Not those colours on the cowling ... that goes against all evidence when you compare with other IIJG52 aircrafts at the time.
I would opt for more dense RLM 75/82 .Compare it with white 5  of IIJG52 in Neubiberg 1945.
Looks like the rudder could also be yellow ( picture page 70 and text page 69 ).
Anyway , it is your interpretation and work .

You are the boss !

Sonny Tucson  :D
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Re: WIP Bf109G-10 'Weisse 11' Rosemarie Historical
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2012, 10:59:02 AM »

Hello Sonny,

You can very well be correct. I'll look further into painting practices of II./JG52 in spring of 1945. Will get back!

In my opinion though, the cowl was either:

1. repainted
2. replaced
3. replaced & repainted

One thing for sure, its not the same paint as on the rest of this eagle.

In the foto below the colours are inverted. The first plane clearly has a yellow rudder. Rosemarie dosn't appear to have a yellow rudder.
Also, maybe its my old eyes, but I do not see a Luft ID band on Rosemarie anywhere.

From Augsburgs Last Eagle, page 25 'Rosemarie @ Neubiberg 1945.


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Re: WIP Bf109G-10 'Weisse 11' Rosemarie Historical
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2012, 01:01:13 AM »

When was paint scarce? do you have a source for that?
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Re: WIP Bf109G-10 'Weisse 11' Rosemarie Historical
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2012, 02:24:26 AM »

Hi , there

Could it be that it was the sole 109G-10 engine cowling painted like that ? ( I mean heavy blotches like on the late rudders models .)

I am still very cautious.

Anyway , I don't "see" this aircraft like that , I still can't feel it , sorry , maybe too many years in the LW stuff !
But , again , it's strictly personnal.

Sonny Tucson  :D
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Re: WIP Bf109G-10 'Weisse 11' Rosemarie Historical
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2012, 04:48:40 PM »

When was paint scarce? do you have a source for that?
In various Luftwaffe books, pretty common knowledge I assume.


Hi , there

Could it be that it was the sole 109G-10 engine cowling painted like that ? ( I mean heavy blotches like on the late rudders models .)

I am still very cautious.

Anyway , I don't "see" this aircraft like that , I still can't feel it , sorry , maybe too many years in the LW stuff !
But , again , it's strictly personnal.

Sonny Tucson  :D


'Rosemarie' carries quite an interesting combination of colours; given the light contrast on the upper surfaces, the aircraft was either painted in RLM74 & RLM75, or a very light RLM83 an 75 with 76 undersurfaces.

In the first one it did with the cowling in 81/83. No Luftflotte 4 markings. But know that I think about it,
WNF/Dianna never used RLM81 on any "G".



Sooooo...

This one I did the cowling in 75 & very light 83. I also added the Luftflotte 4 markings to the rudder only, as I can't tell exactly what the colour should be. I still see no evidence of a foward Luft 4 band in any width.



There are some II./JG52 eagles in Neubiberg that had full Luft 4 markings, some just the band, some just the rudder, and some
with no Luft 4 markings at all.

Horrido!
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Re: WIP Bf109G-10 'Weisse 11' Rosemarie Historical
« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2012, 04:59:24 AM »

Hello Ice

HaHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa , that's more like she should have appeared,  I think. :D

Still think that she was wearing the Yellow nose band anyway .

That's what I see from the pictures page 39 from  the Japo book.
The colour profile in the same book doesn't seem that bad, except maybe for the overpainted JG53 emblem, that is not that pertinent on the pictures.

I think I am going blind , looking at these pictures since this thread started !

Keep it going , man , nice work !

Sonny  ;)
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Re: WIP Bf109G-10 'Weisse 11' Rosemarie Historical
« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2012, 11:31:00 AM »

Hello Ice

Still think that she was wearing the Yellow nose band anyway .

That's what I see from the pictures page 39 from  the Japo book.

Hello Sonny,

 ;)



and thank you, I'm giving it my best shot. More fotos screenies to come!
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