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[fritzofpeace]

Was wondering if there is a mod which makes the "C" or "universal" wing available on various Spit marks?
I've read that it was available by 42, and those four 20 mm's really change how one can use the plane.  My searches have come up empty on this.

[HundertzehnGustav]

so you want different gun loadouts?
4x20,
2x20+.303
2x20+.50

[fritzofpeace]

Yes, 110G, that's one way of putting it, although the four hispano rig is my main focus.  I've got the MkIII mod, which gives an "early look" four cannon plane, and I see that it pops up on some MkIXe models too.
But, when it comes to the MkV or VIII, the only thing I find is the Vctrop in my game, which by the way is not DBW, just the SASModact 3.0 version 4.101.
What brought this to mind was AMT's recent post about the Apache they're working on.  I've found that a nimble aircraft with four cannons is often more than a match for opponents, even if they're faster.

[HundertzehnGustav]

its not such a bad idea...
how the theory compares to reality however, that i do not know. a IXc with four cannons... ever used in the field? how exactly were the "universal wings" able to be configured? at that time the Hispano cannon model was changed too, IIRC from Drum to belt-fed type.
Also, was it not "either inside OR outside" slot could be used with the new hispano?

However ..."easy"... or "simple" the idea seems to be,  for the mod to be properly historical and correct, a bit of reading has to be done.

I have forgotten the few things i once knew about the Spit wings. I only remember it was as messy as 109 engine differences.

[fritzofpeace]

I only remember it was as messy as 109 engine differences.

 

And THAT'S a bucket of worms!
Who knows, maybe someone can do a switcheroo of game's MkVc four cannon wing three dimensional so that it's somehow transferable.

And what you mention about "reality in the field" is very valid question.  Just because I've read that it (the "C" wing with 4 cannon layout) was available from early 42 on, doesn't mean it was actually employed or common in the least.
Beo's kittybomber is a good example of what four twenties do for an acrobatic, mid-speed aircraft.

[HundertzehnGustav]

well,i am surprised by wikipedia...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermarine_Spitfire_%28late_Merlin_powered_variants%29
i think what you are looking for is not the C wing but the E wing.
anyway... get reading and assemble as much tangible and useful and "screwdriver" info as you can.
...and your post might make it into the requests section.

[thefruitbat]

there were some 4 cannon Vc's, but not loads, and they're in the game already.

[razor1uk]

I recently read in WW2Aircraft... that one of the reasons why the 4 cannon wing wasn't used often operationally, was that at high altitudes, there was problems supplying enough heating to the Hispano's, especially the ones locsted outside the inner ones, and that pilots preffered to keep the MG's as bakcup, in case of freezing breeches/recievers and/or jams.

But that is not to say they were not used or deployed, although there are many Spitfire type/model/mark options, and as well as what Fruity suggests.

[fritzofpeace]

thank you for your varied inputs!

i think what you are looking for is not the C wing but the E wing.

good point about the E wing, since I've several in the game which appear to have four twenty mils.
however, i've noticed that with many of them, what appears to perhaps be a short stub hispano (located next to the typical greatly protruding one) does not seem to fire, regardless of weapon control applied.
anyone else seeing this?  i believe it's with the IXe's.

[razor1uk]

Those 'stubs' you spotting are the blancked off outer Hispano's which weren't fitted due to the high alt' freezing/heating problems after the C wing was already designed & jigged for production. But some might have had a 0.5" Browning there with a outer wing .303 removed, although my memeory isn't too good.

[LuseKofte]

[quote author=fritzofpeace link=topic=26567.msg280169#msg280169 date=
 I've found that a nimble aircraft with four cannons is often more than a match for opponents, even if they're faster.
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Wrong, a nimble fighter with mounted wingcannons is a terrible gunplatform, many pilots flying the Seafire stated this. In fact the only clear advantage a Seafire had in carriers was it fast rate of climb. The best of all carrier ac in 1945
The BF- 109E4 had success by restrict itself to just one centermounted cannon, the developments of later 109's made the plane heavyer and less manouvreable and all tho it gave a huge punch it was also a unstable gunplatform

[fritzofpeace]

Wrong, a nimble fighter with mounted wingcannons is a terrible gunplatform, many pilots flying the Seafire stated this

Wow, thanks for setting me straight.
But now you're going to have to correct all those pilots who used wing mounted cannons to become aces!