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Gourdou Lesseure GL-32, Gl-633, GL-450 & French Bombs
« on: April 09, 2012, 12:09:47 PM »

This evening, a trio of uncommon aircraft is joining "La Glorosia"  - The Gourdou Leseurre 32 and derived Gl-633 and GL-450





The Gourdou-Leseurre is often disregarded as "outdated antique" - this is wrong. The GL-32 was a good fighter in his time, teh GL-633 was locally developped by the Spaniards to exploit the qualities of this plane in diving. The GL-40 variant was devised from the start as a dive-bomber/fighter by the French (and apprently at least one reached Spain). This was a very good and nimble plane, but its evolution was cut off by the taking over of the company by Loire, and buy the successive re-organisation of this last company - typical of the situation prevalent in French aeronautical industry in the thirties (the Italians, the Americans and to some extent the Germans, understood rightly that the basis for a healthy aeronautical industry was the civilian transport sector - others who didn't understand that, crumbled soooner or later).

The FM is different for each plane, as historically - they are the juncture between ww1 and ww2 technologies and this is felt - high torque, low speed on the Gl32, lower torque, but still quite felt and definitively higher speed on the GL450, with the GL633 in between - All these planes are fantastic gliders and acrobacy palnes due to their parasol conception and large wing area. This may be paradoxally a problem when you want to land as to reduce speed fast in order while deceasing altitude to land is not always obvious - it demands a long approach generally.

The 450 (also called 410 in some sources), has, as a matter of fact, an engine almost identical to the M-22 of the first series I15 Chatos, and increased stabilizators surface, reshapped fin and backswept wings - it has surprizingly different characteristics from the others though looking generally similar -as a matter of fact it was a trial done in 1936 to get a "new life" to these planes as makeshift fighters - it didn't succeed as the concurence was the Dewoitine 510, and already in the pipeline the Dewoitine D520, and it was totally outclassed.

Dowload links:

Gourdou Leseurre 32.rar
http://www.mediafire.com/?3budrxuwvey3rb4
or
http://ifolder.ru/29828779

Arms_France updated (edited by SAS~Epervier)
http://www.mediafire.com/?a7y12m23y3n9u63

(you need to drop the Arms_France folder in your mod directory (for instance the #SAS) in order to be able to load the Gourdous as the use some of this French ordnance.)

The mobile rack works fine...in level bombing - in dive bombing there is a bug inherent to the fact that apprently the bomb hook cannot be linked to a mobile part and the initial ballistic trajectory of the bomb in dive bombing is somehow strange in Il2 - something I already knew - probably its' the reason why neithere the Stuka nor the Dauntless have such a mobile arm, but anyway, I think it adds something....

The cockpits are much too modern for this plane (the real cockpit was very close to the SPAD XIII one) but real historical cockpit will come later


These planes include the full range of French Bombs of the thirties - Meshes and Hashed Java Files, ready to use on new planes - (although the Gourdous use only 2 of them) - 10kg Incendary, 10kg PA, 40kg Fragmentation, 50kg Type A, 50kg Type DT, 50 kg Type GAMM, 100kg  Modele 1930, 200kg  Modele 1930, 500kg Modele 1930, and a GPU pylon.
I found period official documentation on French, Russian and Italian ordnance, and even on Spanish ordnance (pre-war, Republican, Catalan Republican, National) Bomb paint is an interesting thing subject - The yellow is in fact the classical "French postal yellow" used traditionally for public metal installations standing exposed to outside weather such as public mail boxes - a medium ochre yellow covering the red minium anti-rust paint used in France.  This is by the way an issue found generally with other countries bombs. The Italian bombs for instance were grey, light blue or blue (and there happen to be "interesting" shades of this colours in the vartious simulators, including Il2....very beautiful but totally missing the historical real shades)  But let's take for instance the grey of Italian bombs - and when you look at samples present in Italian museum (or photos form the ones at the museo del aire) you understand at once what it is really - it's the color of the classic Italian anti-rust paint. The light blue and medium blue described in official docuuments become also obvious when you look at remants of Italian bombs - classical Italian Lorries paint of the 30-60s (what they probably were - lorry and locomotive truck paints were frequently used for painting bombs all over Europe) - quite far from the "artistic" creations of some illustrators/skinners. Same thing for the medium blue and asphalt grey Russian bombs.


Additions to air.ini:
GL32      air.GL32     NOINFO   i01  SUMMER
GL633      air.GL633     NOINFO   i01  SUMMER
GL450      air.GL450     NOINFO   i01  SUMMER

Additions to plane_ru.properties:
GL32    Gourdou-Lesseure 32, 1928
GL633    Gourdou-Lesseure 633, 1936
GL450    Gourdou-Lesseure 450, 1936

Additions to weapons.ru

#####################################################################
# GL32
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GL32.2xVickers                        2 Vickers MkIII 7.7mm
GL32.2xVickers+2x100KgHE   2 Vickers MkIII 7.7mm & 2 100Kg HE modele 1930
GL32.2xVickers+2x50KgHEtypeA      2 Vickers MkIII 7.7mm & 2 50Kg HE TypeA
GL32.none                                Empty

#####################################################################
# GL633
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GL633.2xVickers                        2 Vickers MkIII 7.7mm
GL633.2xVickers+1x200KgHE   2 Vickers MkIII 7.7mm & 1 200Kg HE modele 1930
GL633.2xVickers+1x100KgHE+2x50kgHE GAMM   2 Vickers MkIII 7.7mm & 1 100Kg HE modele 1930 +2 50Kg HE GAMMm
GL633.2xVickers+2x100KgHE    2 Vickers MkIII 7.7mm & 2 100Kg HE modele 1930
GL633.2xVickers+2x50KgHEDT    2 Vickers MkIII 7.7mm & 2 50Kg HE DT
GL633.none                                Empty

#####################################################################
# GL450
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GL450.2xVickers                        2 Vickers MkIII 7.7mm
GL450.2xVickers+1x200KgHE   2 Vickers MkIII 7.7mm & 1 200Kg HE modele 1930
GL450.2xVickers+1x100KgHE+2x50kgHE GAMM   2 Vickers MkIII 7.7mm & 1 100Kg HE modele 1930 +2 50Kg HE GAMMm
GL633.2xVickers+2x100KgHE    2 Vickers MkIII 7.7mm & 2 100Kg HE modele 1930
GL633.2xVickers+2x40KgFrag    2 Vickers MkIII 7.7mm & 2 40Kg Fragmentation
GL633.none                                Empty


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Re: Gourdou Lesseure GL-32, Gl-633, GL-450 & French Bombs
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2012, 12:45:51 PM »

With this pack you get the advantage of knowledge with lesser-known aircraft!
Thank you very much !
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Re: Gourdou Lesseure GL-32, Gl-633, GL-450 & French Bombs
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2012, 12:48:08 PM »

Right ... these are planes no one would ever dream of otherwise putting into a commercial sim ... which is a shame cause they are wonderfully colorful and ramshackle and atmospheric of the times.
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Re: Gourdou Lesseure GL-32, Gl-633, GL-450 & French Bombs
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2012, 01:06:50 PM »


Thank you for this! Even new Arms...fantastic  :)
And I like how La Gloriosa planes are tuned, everyone with own and particular flight behavior: a superb work on FMs, bravo!
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Re: Gourdou Lesseure GL-32, Gl-633, GL-450 & French Bombs
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2012, 01:26:38 PM »

I'm going to fly G-L 32 on Il-2... Incredible !

Great work !
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Re: Gourdou Lesseure GL-32, Gl-633, GL-450 & French Bombs
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2012, 01:31:25 PM »

In two words:im-pressive!
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Re: Gourdou Lesseure GL-32, Gl-633, GL-450 & French Bombs
« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2012, 02:09:51 PM »

WOW
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Re: Gourdou Lesseure GL-32, Gl-633, GL-450 & French Bombs
« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2012, 02:16:58 PM »

OUTSTANDING!!!!!
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Re: Gourdou Lesseure GL-32, Gl-633, GL-450 & French Bombs
« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2012, 02:18:36 PM »

Mass production of remarkable planes! Many thanks to all involved (again and again...) 8)
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Re: Gourdou Lesseure GL-32, Gl-633, GL-450 & French Bombs
« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2012, 02:41:53 PM »

Wow ! So many french planes in a few days, I'm so happy I feel like a kid in a toys store. Many many thanks to the whole team, fantastic work
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Re: Gourdou Lesseure GL-32, Gl-633, GL-450 & French Bombs
« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2012, 06:52:30 PM »

OK, you got me there. I had bet that next deliver would be the Letov because you said fighters first and, for me, SCW Gourdou Lesseurres were more in the bomber category, but you're right, GL-32 was fighter stuff. :P
Thanks a lot. Circo Krone, here we come!!!  ;D
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