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Author Topic: P40F White 6, GC II/5, Tunisia January 1943  (Read 9715 times)

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Thunda

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Re: P40F White 6, GC II/5, Tunisia January 1943
« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2012, 02:03:32 PM »

Yes, this is very true, Jarink-virtually impossible to visually work out colour from WWII vintage film stock, unless there is something else in the picture that you 100% know to be a particular shade. Early colour film stock varied wildly in reproduction of individual colours, and, 9 times out of 10, you are looking at the picture in a book, so that means the original transparency has gone through at least 3 very subjective processes. Colour swatches of paint codes on a gamma corrected monitor are the only way to be totally sure outside viewing it in real life.
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leperemagloire

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Re: P40F White 6, GC II/5, Tunisia January 1943
« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2012, 03:37:00 PM »

The GC II / 5 P40 F's were  from 33rd FG,they have an MTO camouflage :



Touch-up paint to blot US markings, seem to have been made with fresh dark earth paint, or with the French color "chocolate"
View on the wings and fuselage
a black & white photo



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Re: P40F White 6, GC II/5, Tunisia January 1943
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2012, 05:48:34 PM »

link for skin dont work
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Re: P40F White 6, GC II/5, Tunisia January 1943
« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2012, 05:49:53 PM »

Its been taken down
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Sonny Tucson

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Re: P40F White 6, GC II/5, Tunisia January 1943
« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2012, 07:22:20 PM »

The GC II / 5 P40 F's were  from 33rd FG,they have an MTO camouflage :

Touch-up paint to blot US markings, seem to have been made with fresh dark earth paint, or with the French color "chocolate"
View on the wings and fuselage
a black & white photo


Hello Mr. Le père Magloire.

Could it be that you are one of this NN fan ?  ;) or that you have some relation with Normandy ?

Thanks for coming to the rescue and Thanks for these pictures and video link you provided us with. After the reading of specialized litterature ,this is the kind of document I use to rely on to paint my models.
As soon as you know that these aircrafts were painted in accordance with MTO scheme , and that we have the chance  to get colour pictures , even old, that leaves very little doubt. !.Now , about the exact shade...all is in the eye of the artist , and that's why modelling is so funny.
There has never been one aircraft ressembling another as far as colours are concerned. All we can do is approaching the reality as much as we can, and the most seriously.
What is true today was true 70 years ago. ( Look at Rafales on the " Grand Charles ", some are looking as if they had been painted 20 years ago , and others look like they are just coming out of the paintshop. Moreover , they are operated under peaceful circomstances and so we could expect that they are well taken care of and that there is no shortage of paint cans !)

One thing is sure , the rendering of these worn out , oil stained and dirt covered ,Lafayette aircrafts in models , or skins is a real challenge  and my hat off to anybody who takes the challenge on his shoulders.
 
Sonny Tucson :)

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Re: P40F White 6, GC II/5, Tunisia January 1943
« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2012, 04:27:03 AM »

for Sonny Tucson:
I totally agree with you, it is difficult to define some camouflage from WW II period photographs, even if they are in color. Everyone is free to interpret in his own way of course.
For my avatar, yes to both, I was born in Normandy, and NN is one of the French units which for me marked the history of the French Air Force in WW II, after 1940. ;)
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Sonny Tucson

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Re: P40F White 6, GC II/5, Tunisia January 1943
« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2012, 04:49:30 AM »

for Sonny Tucson:
I totally agree with you, it is difficult to define some camouflage from WW II period photographs, even if they are in color. Everyone is free to interpret in his own way of course.
For my avatar, yes to both, I was born in Normandy, and NN is one of the French units which for me marked the history of the French Air Force in WW II, after 1940. ;)

Hey, leperemagloire

You're bl...y right. Unfortunately after Marcel Albert who recently passed away with Joseph Risso there is only one left of this big bunch of young warriors. If only Roland de la Poype could have written his memoirs , but at his age ...

By the way , I have colour pictures from the return of the NN in France .Can you tell me wether a film of this event exists , as all these pictures seem to have been taken from film stills , apart from some pictures taken by J.Risso.
I am still looking for colour pictures of the NN Yak-9 serie ( you know during the transition from the  green-green or green-brown scheme to the 2 greys scheme ( late 43-begin 44 ).I've a lot of litterature about the NN, but as far as I know there is still a "war" going on about these Yak-9 camo schemes. Add to that that each "Zavod" had  their own policy about painting aircraft of their production going along with the official directives... You 've got the puzzle.!
If you could help me I would be very happy.

Thanks for all .

Sonny Tucson.  :)
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Re: P40F White 6, GC II/5, Tunisia January 1943
« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2012, 10:58:47 AM »

Sonny Tucson
check MP  ;)
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Sonny Tucson

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Re: P40F White 6, GC II/5, Tunisia January 1943
« Reply #20 on: February 28, 2012, 11:57:48 AM »

Sonny Tucson
check MP  ;)

Hey , leperemagloire.

Sorry , I was not used to receive PMs. I am doing it now. :-[

Sonny. :)

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Re: P40F White 6, GC II/5, Tunisia January 1943
« Reply #21 on: February 28, 2012, 01:49:13 PM »

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Sonny Tucson

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Re: P40F White 6, GC II/5, Tunisia January 1943
« Reply #22 on: February 28, 2012, 03:31:05 PM »

Here's the best accurate info on the web concerning these aircraft.
http://maquette72.free.fr/themes/lafayette/P40_normal/P40_historique.php
http://maquette72.free.fr/themes/lafayette/P40_normal/P40_avions.php
Regards Duggy

Nice, GCII/5 Lafayette P40-F or Rhapsody in browns.
Thanks Duggy.

Sonny Tucson. :)
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