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Schwieger

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F6F Hellcat
« on: November 19, 2011, 08:34:22 AM »

Anyone else feel the Hellcat is slightly underpowered in the vertical vs its real life counterpart?  I know for example it could outclimb the Fw-190 A8 and the early to mid war zeros but it does neither in IL-2...

Thoughts?
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Re: F6F Hellcat
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2011, 11:14:23 AM »

If it is not the "stock" FM from IL-2 then it should match the climb performance data found here : http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/f6f/f6f.html  fairly closely.  There is a lot of data there but it should average out the various charts. 

Regarding the Fw190 and A6M; What test data are you referring to?
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Re: F6F Hellcat
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2011, 12:25:17 PM »

I agree. I'm not flying the american "cats" so often, but sometimes when I jump in one to get a change from the german planes I reallt feel the difference, it's acceleration is not good, it doesn't give the feeling of power, like you'd have in a 190 D9 for example.
I don't look at airspeed that much, I prefer to have an idea of the speed with flyby view. And that's where I'm mostly noticing it.
But I could be wrong also, not sure at all. Just a feeling.
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Re: F6F Hellcat
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2011, 12:36:43 PM »

As far as acceleration, the Fw190D9 has a better power to weight ratio and thus should have a better acceleration than the F6F.
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Re: F6F Hellcat
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2011, 02:18:41 PM »

Yes yes I know, but the Hellcat should also have some feeling of power, and it hasn't IMHO. I just talked about the dora for an example of a plane with "powerfeeling", and didn't want to compare them.
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Re: F6F Hellcat
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2011, 05:42:26 PM »

OK.   :)
I made the FM for the Ultrapack F6Fs (I think they are used in DBW also).  I primarily used the data from the website listed above, and I did some things to improve it's stability as a gun platform.  I didn't really look at acceleration.  It's a very subjective area of performance comparison, since there is little available data comparing acceleration rates AFAIK.  I remember that Kwiatek helped me tweak a couple of things.  I think the thing with acceleration is simply to make sure that each aircraft has an accurate power to weight ratio and then hopefully they will compare accurately.  I'm not sure, but I think the current FM for most of the 190s are "stock" Il-2 and not products of Kwiatek or other FM guru's.   
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Re: F6F Hellcat
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2011, 06:18:37 AM »

@Schwieger; I had the same feeling flying it, but more with the F4U's..

I even aborted the campaign with the Corsairs as the Zero's were superior no matter what tactics I applied.. :(
F6F feels rather slow and weak.

Not the "Iron Works" you hear in all the WWII stories about it.
Same goes for the ruggedness of the P-47 Thunderbolts.

But; it's a feeling, i'm curious to see what the FM specialists have to say about it.
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Schwieger

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Re: F6F Hellcat
« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2011, 08:11:05 AM »

Depends on what zero variant.. but because of F4Us speed I haven't had too much issue... but with regards to ruggedness... I've been blown up by one second burst from La-7 in the F4U... Now I know the F4U was supposed to be tough so I don't know where Oleg got his info that said La-7 could vapourize a Corsair with a one second burst... same goes for P-47, not as tough as it should be (ever watch dogfights? Lol)
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Re: F6F Hellcat
« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2011, 04:45:19 PM »

I even aborted the campaign with the Corsairs as the Zero's were superior no matter what tactics I applied.. :(
F6F feels rather slow and weak.

Not to dismiss concerns about FM for the F6F and F4U, but the game really doesn't model several key American advantages - superior training, superior communications and superior teamwork.
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Re: F6F Hellcat
« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2011, 06:08:54 PM »

I concur about the F6F. One thing that I have always noticed is that it will never get above 300 mph in level flight - anybody else ever notice this? Regardless , still love flying that bird!
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Re: F6F Hellcat
« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2011, 07:11:17 PM »

I concur about the F6F. One thing that I have always noticed is that it will never get above 300 mph in level flight - anybody else ever notice this? Regardless , still love flying that bird!

OK two things:
1) I just took out the F6F-3 Early - the one without WEP and got it over 310mph indicated airspeed while flying just above the waves.
2) I tried it with the F6F-3 Late and found that it went about the same speed.  This means that the F6F-3 Late is using the original, stock Il-2 FM and it is underpowered, under performs and doesn't fly very well.

DBW 1.6

I'm going to check UP3.0 RC4 later and see what happens.  My modified F6F-3 Late FM should be in there (and DBW) but so far it looks like it's not.

Edit:  OK I just tried UP3.0 RC4 with the same results.
This means that The F6F-3 Early is probably the only one in there that has my Modded FM.  ???  You should try it.  It's actually faster than the stock F6F-3 Late at most altitudes and it handles better too.
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Re: F6F Hellcat
« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2011, 07:32:15 PM »

And what about F6F-5?
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