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Re: Map of Serbia (part of former Yugoslavia) Unfinished.
« Reply #84 on: August 05, 2015, 05:35:40 AM »

Hello mr. Uzin! Great looking map, nice to see her finished! Been to Novi Sad and the fort, good job representing it in IL2! A question if I may... Will it just be a 1941 map version? It would be amazing to have a post war version too, with Batajnica airfield, so jets could be used... T-33s, F-84s, F-86s, MiG-21s... Unusual mix of eastern and western aircraft was operated by Yugoslav air force, good times 50s and 60s...
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Re: Map of Serbia (part of former Yugoslavia) Unfinished.
« Reply #85 on: August 05, 2015, 05:46:12 AM »

My 2 cents: IF you can manage with only stock objects more people will probably D/L and use the map.

Yes, I did: essentially only stock objects were used, if the objects of Slovakia, Canonuck, Finlandia may be considered as such.  Here is Petrovaradin fort:

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Not bad, however during the war there was one more bridge just a bit upstream from the one you created, which took the railroad from Novi Sad through a tunnel right under the fortress. You can still see the pillars on which it once stood, the tunnel entrance is now overgrown by vegetation:

https://www.google.ca/maps/@45.2489497,19.8612867,1510m/data=!3m1!1e3

Also, the fortress ramparts stretch out a fair bit from the main fort - there are several rings of fortifications not obvious from the ground but very much visible from the air.
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Re: Map of Serbia (part of former Yugoslavia) Unfinished.
« Reply #86 on: August 05, 2015, 09:45:39 AM »

Hello mr. Uzin! Great looking map, nice to see her finished! Been to Novi Sad and the fort, good job representing it in IL2! A question if I may... Will it just be a 1941 map version? It would be amazing to have a post war version too, with Batajnica airfield, so jets could be used... T-33s, F-84s, F-86s, MiG-21s... Unusual mix of eastern and western aircraft was operated by Yugoslav air force, good times 50s and 60s...
Thank you for your appreciation of unfinished work, lol.
Your proposal is very interesting, the mix of aircrafts seem to me nice, too. As you can find at wiki, the similar mix was also in 1941 : there were Hurries together with Bf-109 and Italian crates.
The work of the map might be done even for later periods, but it requires essential reworking , similarly as in the case of Poland 1939, 1944, 1945.
So we can see it later, if at all..
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Re: Map of Serbia (part of former Yugoslavia) Unfinished.
« Reply #87 on: August 05, 2015, 10:22:39 AM »

Not bad, however during the war there was one more bridge just a bit upstream from the one you created, which took the railroad from Novi Sad through a tunnel right under the fortress. You can still see the pillars on which it once stood, the tunnel entrance is now overgrown by vegetation:

https://www.google.ca/maps/@45.2489497,19.8612867,1510m/data=!3m1!1e3

Also, the fortress ramparts stretch out a fair bit from the main fort - there are several rings of fortifications not obvious from the ground but very much visible from the air.

Many thanks for the comment on Petrovaradin fortress, I shall try to do my best.
As it concerns the railway bridge near the fortress, I am afraid the default Il2 bridge cannot be positioned properly.
Since it appeared only during the war, perhaps I can omit it for Aptil 1941 ?
You are probably living in the area, so your comments are greatly appreciated.
What do you think about Avala's textures ?
I was never  there , so I must rely upon the experts.
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Re: Map of Serbia (part of former Yugoslavia) Unfinished.
« Reply #88 on: August 05, 2015, 12:12:03 PM »

Good work there Ivan!

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Re: Map of Serbia (part of former Yugoslavia) Unfinished.
« Reply #89 on: August 05, 2015, 12:30:41 PM »

What do you think about Avala's textures ?
I was never  there , so I must rely upon the experts.

According to Avala the represented area ís really that dark. Since he lives there I think we should rely on his expertise.  ;)
Second, the darkness not only comes from the textures but is also influenced by its BumpH files and last but not least by the Ambient and Diffuse parameters in the includes Zemlja mat.file.

By the way, I appreciate your eye for realism and detail in populating the Serbia map.  :)
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Re: Map of Serbia (part of former Yugoslavia) Unfinished.
« Reply #90 on: August 05, 2015, 05:20:40 PM »

Not bad, however during the war there was one more bridge just a bit upstream from the one you created, which took the railroad from Novi Sad through a tunnel right under the fortress. You can still see the pillars on which it once stood, the tunnel entrance is now overgrown by vegetation:

https://www.google.ca/maps/@45.2489497,19.8612867,1510m/data=!3m1!1e3

Also, the fortress ramparts stretch out a fair bit from the main fort - there are several rings of fortifications not obvious from the ground but very much visible from the air.

Many thanks for the comment on Petrovaradin fortress, I shall try to do my best.
As it concerns the railway bridge near the fortress, I am afraid the default Il2 bridge cannot be positioned properly.
Since it appeared only during the war, perhaps I can omit it for Aptil 1941 ?
You are probably living in the area, so your comments are greatly appreciated.
What do you think about Avala's textures ?
I was never  there , so I must rely upon the experts.
Yes i grew up nearby, my mother is actually from Novi Sad and i served my military service in the Danube riverine fleet so yes i do know my bridges. :D :p

That particular rail bridge was the first permanent one built in the area. and was built in 1833 when the railroad was laid out.

The one bridge that you have on the map was built in 1928.

Both were blown up by the withdrawing Yugoslav Army in April 1941.

The first one (the rail bridge with the tunnel beneath the fortress) was soon repaired by the Germans and was back in use from early 1942 until October 1944 when once again it got demolished, this time for good. The underwater pillars were deemed too damaged to allow safe repair, and since then the tunnel remains unused (its opposite end, away from Danube, has actually been converted into a warehouse).

The second bridge (one that you have on the map), which was originally a road bridge only, was then rebuilt as a combined road-rail bridge and was back in service from January 1946. The railway had to be routed through downtown Petrovaradin (the old walled portion of the city beneath the fortress) and such arrangement existed until 1962 when a new road-rail bridge was built further downstream.

Both the 1946 and 1962 bridges, as well as an even newer one upstream built in 1981, have been all destroyed once again in the 1999 war with NATO.

Re: textures - i find them OK, the colors are different than what we're used to in Il-2 but IMO they do look like Serbia from above.

And i must add my many thanks to you for taking up the task to finish this map.

If you need any specific info please do not hesitate to ask, i will do my best to try find you an answer. :)


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Re: Map of Serbia (part of former Yugoslavia) Unfinished.
« Reply #91 on: August 06, 2015, 07:55:54 AM »

It's the deep green color shade of the forest on Avala's map that i find quite accurate. The agriculture changes with seasons, of course.

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Re: Map of Serbia (part of former Yugoslavia) Unfinished.
« Reply #92 on: August 06, 2015, 09:11:18 AM »

OK if one mountain is not enough (by the way, that was Mt. Avala on the outskirts of Belgrade), here are a few more:

Fruska Gora, in the north near Novi Sad:



Kopaonik, in the south of the country:



Rudinik, in the central Sumadija region:



Rtanj, in the east:



Jastrebac, in the south:



Stara Planina, on the border with Bulgaria:



Zlatibor, in the west:



So yes, pretty much all mountains in Serbia are covered in deep dark green forests. At least in summer. :)
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Re: Map of Serbia (part of former Yugoslavia) Unfinished.
« Reply #93 on: August 07, 2015, 11:49:22 AM »

Petrovaradin fort from the South:



Petrovaradin fort from the North:



Still at Exvellent landscape settings.
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Re: Map of Serbia (part of former Yugoslavia) Unfinished.
« Reply #94 on: August 07, 2015, 02:31:23 PM »

Very nice!

Would you mind taking a screenshot of the whole area with Petrovaradin and Novi Sad from above (just so that one can see the populated areas), so i can point out what areas have not yet been built up in 1940's compared to today? It seems to me that you were using a modern map as a reference, but this area was much less urbanized back then - today it has well over 400,000 people but then it was under 50,000. Namely the area where the oil refinery sits today (top image, across the Danube on the right side of the image), back then that was just a swamp with a small Gypsy settlement of maybe ~150 houses, surrounded by an old half-dry silted up meander of Danube cut off from the main river stream.

Also, there was pretty much nothing west of the rail bridge (the one that i mentioned earlier, that went through the tunnel under the fortress) since the railroad used to mark the western city limit (nowadays is right in the middle of the largest most populated urban area of the city).

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Re: Map of Serbia (part of former Yugoslavia) Unfinished.
« Reply #95 on: August 08, 2015, 04:18:51 AM »

Its very Beautiful map, Still in WIP Right,
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