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caldrail

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Austrian Roundels
« on: October 04, 2009, 02:56:30 AM »



Austrian Roundels
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It's been bugging me for ages. The default Austrian roundel in the 'Forgotten Nations' mod is the modern one, dating from 1955. Previously to the the Anschluss of 1938 (when Nazi Germany annexed the country without conflict) the Austrian Fliegerkorps inherited the symbols used by Austro-Hungary in World War One.

Therefore I've decided to issue a correction (hope nobody minds too much, but this is entirely optional).

Thanks to RAF_LOKE for his Markimgs_v1.2.psd from which this insignia is drawn.

Installation
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http://www.mediafire.com/?3zx3h25mqnm

Make a backup of the 'AT' folder in 'Forgotten Nations'. Then simply unzip the contents of this archive in place. Voila! Period Austrian markings available for use.

Enjoy.
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SAS~Malone

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Re: Austrian Roundels
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2009, 02:59:44 AM »

thanks caldrail! I'll certainly give it a go, sure others will too!  ;D
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Re: Austrian Roundels
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2009, 05:36:44 AM »

At least it was correct according to the information I had at that point. However...

From http://www.insigniamag.com/heim.html

"One of the least known of paramilitary air forces must surely be that of the Austrian Heimwehr Fliegerkorps during the 1920s and 1930s. Formed from earlier paramilitary flying groups, the Heimwehr Fliegerkorps operated a selection of German, Austrian and British aircraft, and even participated during the Austrian Civil War of February 1934."
Its marking was: "The Heimwehr symbol appears on the rudder, and consists of a White bird (Eagle) on a Green disc, superimposed on an Austrian flag with horizontal Red/White/Red stripes."
spotted by Dov Gutterman, 25 June 2004
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Re: Austrian Roundels
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2009, 08:48:51 AM »

actually the roundel is also correct!
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96sterreichisches_Bundesheer_(1920%E2%80%931938)

1927 wurde das Fliegerkorps der Heimwehr mit Flugzeugen aus österreichischer, britischer und deutscher Produktion gegründet (1938 nach dem Anschluss aufgelöst). Sein Zeichen war eine rot-weiß-rote Flagge, auf der mittig ein weißer Adler auf grünem Kreis dargestellt war.

1928 begann man beim Bundesheer mit der geheimen Ausbildung von Piloten. In weiterer Folge wurde eine technische Infrastruktur geschaffen und Flugzeuge in Italien bestellt.

Im August 1933 wurden die ersten noch von der Republik bestellten Flugzeuge (5 Fiat CR.20 Doppeldecker) geliefert. Das Bundesheer begann heimlich mit der Aufstellung von Fliegerverbänden in Wien-Aspern und Graz-Thalerhof mit Flugzeugen aus italienischer Produktion (Fiat Ansaldo und Caproni).

1936 gewann der Flugingenieur Rosner vom Fliegerwerft Graz-Thalerhof mit seinem Entwurf den Wettbewerb für ein neues Hoheitszeichen, das noch im gleichen Jahr eingeführt wurde. Dieses weiße, gleichschenkelige Dreieck mit der Spitze nach unten in einer roten Scheibe war in seiner grafischen Gestaltung neuartig und hatte (anders als Flagge oder Wappen) keinen Vorläufer.

-> 1936 was the roundel created and carried until the Anschluss.

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Re: Austrian Roundels
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2009, 05:01:27 AM »

Or in English (so I can understand it :D)....

In 1919 the peace treaty meant the Republic of Austria was forbidden to operate military aircraft. In 1927 the paramilitary Heimwehr organisation set up an air corps using Austrian, British and Italian aircraft (dissolved after the Anschluss in 1938). Its emblem was a red-white-red flag, with a white eagle on a green circle at its centre.

In 1928 the Bundesheer (federal army) began secretly training pilots. In further consequence a technical infrastructure was created and aircraft ordered from Italy.

In August 1933 the first military aeroplanes ordered by the republic (five Fiat CR.20 biplanes) were supplied. The Bundesheer began secretly equipping flying clubs in Vienna-Aspern and Graz-Thalerhof with Italian-built aircraft (Fiat Ansaldo and Caproni).

 
Symbol of the Austrian Air ForceIn 1936, flight engineer Rosner from the Graz-Thalerhof base won the competition for designing a new national emblem, which was introduced in the same year. The white, equilateral triangle with the point facing downwards in a red disc was a completely new design and had (other than the flag or coats of arms) no prior basis.


Well done that man. That's the first time I've found any decent documentary evidence (albeit wikipedia) about the white triangle. Point taken, have a silver star, and for extra points, next time remember I'm English so foreign languages are completely unintelligible to me :D

But enjoy my 'old' version markings if you want them.
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Re: Austrian Roundels
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2009, 07:15:38 AM »

sorry mate;)


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Re: Austrian Roundels
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2009, 12:23:41 PM »

Nice, nice, nice....!!
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Re: Austrian Roundels
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2010, 02:51:03 AM »

Just 2 links for those who are interested:

http://www.aircraft-insignia.com/
http://cocardes.monde.online.fr/v2html/en/miniatures.html

First one also contains descriptions from historical variants in the countries section.
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Re: Austrian Roundels
« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2010, 08:29:42 AM »

Cheers Becky. I humbly admit defeat :D
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Re: Austrian Roundels
« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2010, 08:45:29 AM »

Wasn´t ment like that!! ;D

I was searching for the look of Mongolian insignias (even more exotic then Austria :)) and found those 2 pages.
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