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Title: Short Stirling v2 [4.09] [4.12]
Post by: SAS~Epervier on September 16, 2018, 08:06:42 AM
For Rebels 4.09
Short Stirling
(https://www.mediafire.com/?g2gr8g2zi0scs0x)


- DiffFM needed
- Template included
- SSP included
- Shadows implemented !
- only one LOD
- Minimalist collision boxes (?)


version 2
- add cockpits pilots and bombardier
- fix shadows CF/Turret1A/Turret2A
- fix faces of pilots
- new loadouts
- fix position hooks Engines
- add hook Tailhook
- add shadows by Mission_bug


(https://www.mediafire.com/?279akcr0opl3o3s)

(https://www.mediafire.com/?mpb1mdb5pwh2wi4)

(https://www.mediafire.com/?jnokg8zzm7wqwm3)

(https://www.mediafire.com/?wnnc1t3444c9q73)

(https://www.mediafire.com/?yzpajd952ag6tdd)

(http://www.mediafire.com/?vizp2qlbmyez6qa)


Link version flyable : https://www.mediafire.com/?ungahi12hjca5xh

Link version AI Only : https://www.mediafire.com/?h0sbhunaaqd980x


Link for Bomb 1000lbsE : http://www.mediafire.com/?qg7f8g3j4yqko9x


I recommend the use of the redesign of the textures made by Airbourne! See post #47 !
Link : http://www.mediafire.com/file/55pah8cedfyb4e1/Stirling.rar


Imperialist 4.12 see here :
- conversion for 4.12 :
https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,59564.msg656921.html#msg656921
- Cockpit Bombardier : https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,59564.msg657936.html#msg657936


Credits :
Alphasim/Virtavia
http://www.virtavia.com/ - Original 3D
Namtar - Importing of 3D
SAS~Epervier - Revised class work
unknown author - template
Mission_bug - shadows
CWatson - conversion 4.12
Airbourne - retexture cockpit
Stefan SG - Cockpit bombardier for 4.12


Bons vols !
Title: Re: Short Stirling v2 [4.09]
Post by: tartenmuche on September 16, 2018, 09:03:39 AM
Dear Epervier,
splendid job.
Congratulations.
Couldn't you please add a bombsight?
A bomber without a bombsight is just "comme une jolie fille à qui il manque une dent".
Best regards.
Tart
Title: Re: Short Stirling v2 [4.09]
Post by: SAS~Epervier on September 16, 2018, 10:27:17 AM
Read the first post again!
Title: Re: Short Stirling v2
Post by: Birdman on September 16, 2018, 11:14:49 AM
Beautiful and important plane, Thanks a lot! Great to have all the most important heavy bombers available now.

I still see only one wing and fuselage part, so shooting these down may not be as fun as other bombers. I still hope someone would find the time needed to cut the wings and CF to two or three sections so that damage model could work like with other planes. That's likely quite a lot of work together with adding the CAP meshes, so I can't find the time needed to fix that, but maybe someone with great 3D editing skills could do it easily enough. Hopefully development could also continue with playable gunner positions.
Title: Re: Short Stirling v2 [4.09]
Post by: SAS~Epervier on September 16, 2018, 11:36:18 AM
I have the same hope!
For my (minimal) skills the work is done!
So I hope other modders will take over.  :-X
Title: Re: Short Stirling v2 [4.09]
Post by: tartenmuche on September 16, 2018, 12:12:21 PM
Dear Epervier,
thank you for your quick answer.
I am using WAW3, horresco referens, and the bombsight does not appear.
Any help possible?
Regards.
Tart
Title: Re: Short Stirling v2
Post by: SAS~vampire_pilot on September 16, 2018, 12:35:53 PM
say thank you to Team Deadalus.

4.09 bombsight does not work in your 4.12
Title: Re: Short Stirling v2 [4.09]
Post by: Bwf. on September 16, 2018, 01:17:26 PM
This is a very, very nice model, Thanks Very Much!! ]thumleft[ ]cheers[ ]thumright[

Title: Re: Short Stirling v2 [4.09]
Post by: baggo on September 16, 2018, 01:46:04 PM
thank you for this epervier,it fills a gap in bomber command planes for il2,typically british to build a plane to fit the hangar and not the other way round.thanks again kev.
Title: Re: Short Stirling v2 [4.09]
Post by: SAS~Epervier on September 16, 2018, 02:37:06 PM
I am using WAW3, horresco referens, and the bombsight does not appear.
Any help possible?

say thank you to Team Deadalus.
4.09 bombsight does not work in your 4.12
That's why I told you to reread the first post!
"For Rebels 4.09" may not be written big enough!  :D   ;)
Title: Re: Short Stirling v2
Post by: DU30 on September 16, 2018, 02:56:10 PM
at last a flyable, thanks you much
Title: Re: Short Stirling v2
Post by: FANATIC MODDER on September 17, 2018, 12:24:29 AM
Ooohh.....great work, thanks!
Title: Re: Short Stirling v2 [4.09]
Post by: steeldust on September 17, 2018, 02:16:38 AM
well done!
merci beaucoup!
Title: Re: Short Stirling v2 [4.09]
Post by: ROMULO on September 17, 2018, 03:37:40 AM
 :P :P :P ;D
thank you :
Title: Re: Short Stirling v2 [4.09]
Post by: Gubi on September 17, 2018, 10:30:36 AM
It works in my DBW.  Thanx.

Cheers and prost.
Title: Re: Short Stirling v2
Post by: CWatson on September 17, 2018, 11:15:32 AM
4.09 bombsight does not work in your 4.12

If 4.12 users would test this patch and give some feed back: http://www.mediafire.com/file/zyrimud9kum72z7/Short_Stirling_Sight+fix.7z


CWatson
Title: Re: Short Stirling v2 [4.09]
Post by: tartenmuche on September 17, 2018, 11:57:33 AM
Dear Doctor Watson,
I installed your fix in my WAW3 folder and checked.
Unfortunately it doesn't work.
Anyway thank you for the help.
Best regards.
Tart
Title: Re: Short Stirling v2
Post by: henkypenky on September 17, 2018, 12:49:50 PM
Hi CWatson, just tried your fix in BAT 3.4 Linebacker and in my install I see a bombsight, so IMHO it works.
Title: Re: Short Stirling v2 [4.09]
Post by: SAS~vampire_pilot on September 17, 2018, 01:19:20 PM
Is it normal that I only see these loadouts?
(BAT)
(https://orig00.deviantart.net/e7c0/f/2018/260/6/b/short_by_ryofuxxx-dcn3efv.png)
Title: Re: Short Stirling v2 [4.09]
Post by: CWatson on September 17, 2018, 01:51:53 PM
Is it normal that I only see these loadouts?
(BAT)

The next bomb load is 1000lb English bombs, so it appears you are missing the files for them. You can either install the correct and missing files or change the load  to 1000lb American bombs which are by default in the game.


CWatson
Title: Re: Short Stirling v2 [4.09]
Post by: SAS~Epervier on September 17, 2018, 03:50:15 PM
Is it normal that I only see these loadouts?
(BAT)
See first post for link for 1000lbsE Bombs !
Be careful the next weapon is the 2000lbs peanut!  :P
Title: Re: Short Stirling v2
Post by: SAS~vampire_pilot on September 17, 2018, 10:33:06 PM
thank, now I have a full list according to the readme file.
Title: Re: Short Stirling v2 [4.09]
Post by: tartenmuche on September 18, 2018, 04:35:04 AM
Dear CWatson, dear Henkypenky,
I first installed the complete folder Bombsight fix in my WAW3 folder without success, no bombsight.
Then I replaced the existing lines inside the bomber folder by the two lines included in the bombsight folder. Then I got a bombsight but the elevation works in the wrong direction and the bombsight disappears in the bottom of my screen?
Any help available?
Regards.
Tart
Title: Re: Short Stirling v2
Post by: henkypenky on September 18, 2018, 04:51:36 AM
Hi Tart, I just put the files from the fix in the Stirling v2 folder and saw (after a short while) a bombsight crosshair. I didn't tried the working of it. Would have to go to a bombardiers course to know how. Added the '1000lbs bomb files and these now show up in the QMB. Thanks to all involved
Title: Re: Short Stirling v2 [4.09]
Post by: tartenmuche on September 18, 2018, 05:56:10 AM
Dear Henkypenky,
thank you for your quick answer.
Couldn't you please check in QMB for instance whether the bombsight works correctly just by increasing the elevation.
Mine disappears in the bottom.
Regards.
Tart
Title: Re: Short Stirling v2
Post by: oldschoolie on September 18, 2018, 07:35:00 AM
Nice to have, thank you. Would the Lancaster pit not be more appropriate than the B17?
Title: Re: Short Stirling v2
Post by: SAS~Epervier on September 18, 2018, 09:52:43 AM
Would the Lancaster pit not be more appropriate than the B17?
:D
The cockpit of the B-17 is not perfect. But I modified it to remove the turret that was behind the pilot.
If there is a cockpit not suitable for the Stirling, it is certainly the Lancaster's!
Take a closer look!
The Lancaster cockpit is fully glazed!
The Stirling has a cockpit with a "hardtop"!
Title: Re: Short Stirling v2
Post by: henkypenky on September 18, 2018, 12:54:30 PM
Sorry to disagree with you Epervier, but the Stirling did not have a 'hardtop', the mod is not correct in this respect:
(https://218squadron.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/mds00159.jpg)
the original also had twin retractable tail wheels:
(https://218squadron.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/mds00167.jpg)
and a front turret while the model has the nose from a Mk IV Troop carrier.
(https://218squadron.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/mds00179.jpg)
All pictures copyright https://218squadron.wordpress.com
Title: Re: Short Stirling v2 [4.09]
Post by: MADMICK71 on September 18, 2018, 03:47:07 PM

Thanks for this.

Working with all loadouts and bombsight in 4.12, modact5.3 JTW Engine mod 2.8.11.

Check this out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaN91_NGJoI


Regards

Mick.
Title: Re: Short Stirling v2
Post by: SAS~Epervier on September 18, 2018, 04:54:08 PM
Sorry to disagree with you Epervier, but the Stirling did not have a 'hardtop', the mod is not correct in this respect:
Interesting!
In that case I hope a graphic designer will read you and make the corrections!  ;)
Title: Re: Short Stirling v2 [4.09]
Post by: DONAGHY on September 18, 2018, 06:07:17 PM
4.12.hsfx all works very well mant thanks
Title: Re: Short Stirling v2
Post by: jpten on September 18, 2018, 06:14:57 PM
Since the Stirling was developed from the Sunderland flying boat (by removing the lower deck and boat hull) perhaps that pit with a fully glazed canopy would be the better match.
Title: Re: Short Stirling v2
Post by: oldschoolie on September 19, 2018, 05:47:47 AM
Don't know what reference has been used, but no Stirling ever had a hard top.
Title: Re: Short Stirling v2
Post by: SAS~Epervier on September 19, 2018, 06:27:53 AM
Don't know what reference has been used, but no Stirling ever had a hard top.
Yes, I used the external view of the "Plane" to choose a cockpit.
So if this visual is wrong... the internal view of the cockpit is wrong!
There is still a lot of work to do on this Mod.... All volunteers are welcome!  ;)
Title: Re: Short Stirling v2
Post by: SAS~vampire_pilot on September 19, 2018, 08:01:04 AM
an immediate idea that comes to mind could be to paint the rear half of the "hard top" with windows that are closed with curtains.
Title: Re: Short Stirling v2 [4.09]
Post by: tartenmuche on September 19, 2018, 08:42:27 AM
Dear CWatson, dear Henkypenky, dear all,
I still have my bombsight disappearing in the bottom of my screen when I increase the elevation. I checked with the Lanc, bombsight works perfectly. I use WAW3 with NG-HUD Gold.
Best regards.
Tart
Title: Re: Short Stirling v2 [4.09]
Post by: CWatson on September 19, 2018, 10:27:00 AM
Dear CWatson, dear Henkypenky,
I first installed the complete folder Bombsight fix in my WAW3 folder without success, no bombsight.
Then I replaced the existing lines inside the bomber folder by the two lines included in the bombsight folder. Then I got a bombsight but the elevation works in the wrong direction and the bombsight disappears in the bottom of my screen?
Any help available?
Regards.
Tart

Tart,

 Sadly I can not test the 412 version, I use 409 which the bombsight works fine in.  If you are willing to test I can try a couple fixes. If you want to test, please contact me via PM.


Thanks,
             CW
Title: Re: Short Stirling v2
Post by: henkypenky on September 19, 2018, 01:05:02 PM
Don't know if this is what you mean Tart; flying on autopilot in QMB the crosshairs apear when the plane is more or less stable. When the AI pilot make a manouvre the crosshairs disapear, but show up again when the plane is stable again. Sorry don't know how to work with a bomb sight.
Title: Re: Short Stirling v2 [4.09]
Post by: SAS~Epervier on September 19, 2018, 03:38:49 PM
In my game the autopilot disables the bombing sight.
You have to use the "stabilize the plane" button!
In this function only the trimmers are active.
CTRL+R key in my game.
Title: Re: Short Stirling v2 [4.09]
Post by: tartenmuche on September 20, 2018, 05:55:32 AM
Dear Henkypenky,
I strongly recommend you to try a mission of the Coastal Command over the Gulf of Biscay chasing a submarine with the help of the radar. After a boring flight, you get a warning from the radar, when the object not to far is , you stabilize your plane and jump in the bomber position. With the help of the radar, you act on the rudder trim to get the correct heading and with the help of the elevation of the bomsight you try to get the submarine on the vertical line of the cross and to follow it by decreasing the elevation, open the bombbay, drop the bombs when the submarine is in the middle of the cross, don't forget it is moving. When you get it , it is pure fun. I use NG-HUD, PAL HUD config and PAL-visualmod9.
Dear Epervier,
thank you for your advice. Sometimes I noticed that in spite of the "stabilize the plane" on, the altitude decreases. Does that mean that the power of the engines not strong enough is?
Best regards.
Tart
Title: Re: Short Stirling v2
Post by: Hubberranz on September 20, 2018, 07:09:22 AM
Merci Epervier pour ce modèle très manquant. Toutes ces bombes ! Wow!
J'aie coulé un cargo a Boulogne, mais je me suis fait descendre par des "Rookies AA". ...  parachutés; crash dans un champs, pas de victimes. 8)
Title: Re: Short Stirling v2 [4.09]
Post by: steeldust on September 20, 2018, 08:08:15 AM
Bombsight-Fix  tested in a minimal modded 4.12.2m/Modact5.3 and it worked:
i got the sight, could raise and lower, and dorp bombs (no hits :-(, first bomb run)
thanks to all involved for their hard work!
Title: Re: Short Stirling v2 [4.09]
Post by: Piotrek1 on September 20, 2018, 12:54:05 PM
it works, Thank you CWatson and everyone involved.

Best regards,
Piotrek
Title: Re: Short Stirling v2
Post by: PO_MAK_249RIP on September 21, 2018, 08:53:22 AM
Works in CUP - only got the AI version tho - nice to finally get the old girl in the game. Great job!
Title: Re: Short Stirling v2 [4.09]
Post by: Hubberranz on September 21, 2018, 11:17:56 AM
If 4.12 users would test this patch and give some feed back: http://www.mediafire.com/file/zyrimud9kum72z7/Short_Stirling_Sight+fix.7z
CWatson
Thank you so much CWatson. I always appreciate your work. So feedback:

... 412.2 SAS 5,3           basic                       /            ...and   heavy with mods ...

Sight v1; all works fine until changing the ANGLE; picture of sight does not follow vertical angle change
and aiming thus remain at 0 degree. Camera turns towards upper area in the black not accompanied by the sight.
MINIMAL and FULL 412 5.3 tested.   Scenery should move, sight moves instead.

(https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/968e/pjr19g4r3zg7b9o7g.jpg) (http://www.mediafire.com/view/?pjr19g4r3zg7b9o)
MINIMAL        Click on image for zoom in access.

(https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/5289/0p47zo5h7tzoh6g7g.jpg) (http://www.mediafire.com/view/?0p47zo5h7tzoh6g)
ZERO degree ANGLE.
(https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/8ccc/n89sqxe03vengdc7g.jpg) (http://www.mediafire.com/view/?n89sqxe03vengdc)
SEVEN degree ANGLE.

I suspect angle change is moving sight picture instead of background image.
Title: Re: Short Stirling v2 [4.09]
Post by: taskf53 on September 21, 2018, 01:24:07 PM
Hello.

Exactly the same problem as  Hubberranz in my 4.12.2 MA 5.3.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Short Stirling v2 [4.09]
Post by: Airbourne on September 24, 2018, 10:17:08 AM
What a great plane to have at last!

Many thanks to all responsible. I am afraid that I must report I also have the same problem as Huberranz with the bombsight. (I am flying in BAT).

I am always rather worried by cockpits that are a direct copy of another plane. I find it a bit damaging to the all-important immersion. I like to have a few small differences so I have messed about with the textures of the Stirling cockpit to produce something  a bit less like the B-17 and a bit closer to the monochrome effect of RAF bomber cockpits. I emphasise that I have not changed anything other than some of the colours.

Download here: http://www.mediafire.com/file/55pah8cedfyb4e1/Stirling.rar

This goes in 3do/cockpit/  Don't forget to save the old folder in case you don't like the new one.





(https://i.postimg.cc/hvdWs4pc/2018.09.24_15-29-31.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Title: Re: Short Stirling v2 [4.09]
Post by: CWatson on September 24, 2018, 02:00:45 PM

This patch adds a working bombsight for 412 users. Sight is based on the B-10's, thanks to the testing by Hubberranz:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/186s0rqd986x846/Stirling+412+sightfix+v4.7z


CWatson
Title: Re: Short Stirling v2 [4.09]
Post by: SAS~Epervier on September 24, 2018, 02:34:20 PM
I am always rather worried by cockpits that are a direct copy of another plane. I find it a bit damaging to the all-important immersion. I like to have a few small differences so I have messed about with the textures of the Stirling cockpit to produce something  a bit less like the B-17 and a bit closer to the monochrome effect of RAF bomber cockpits. I emphasise that I have not changed anything other than some of the colours.
Very nice ! Bravo and thank you !

First post updated !  ;)
Title: Re: Short Stirling v2
Post by: Airbourne on September 25, 2018, 10:06:28 AM
Thank you for your kind words. I am delighted to be able to help.
Title: Re: Short Stirling v2 [4.09]
Post by: tartenmuche on September 27, 2018, 09:36:37 AM
Dear CWatson,
thank you for the bombsight, it is a little old-fashioned but it works.
Dear Airbourne,
thank you for the cockpit.
Best regards.
Tart
Title: Re: Short Stirling v2 [4.09]
Post by: Stefan SG on October 06, 2018, 10:01:42 AM
Let me propose another version of bombing sight fix for 4.12.2 for Short Stirling.

(https://i.postimg.cc/wB96Rytw/2018.10.06_15-53-31.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/52VHptYC/2018.10.06_15-53-50.jpg)

The bombing sight fix is revised with options for 4:3 monitor and for for 16:9 monitor.

d\l link: http://www.mediafire.com/file/1jie89jufxh08qa/fix_Stirling_BombingSight_412_v2.zip/file
Title: Re: Short Stirling v2 [4.09]
Post by: Piotrek1 on October 06, 2018, 01:58:27 PM
Hi Stefan, Thanks a lot for the fix, I will test it asap.
Best regards,
Piotrek
Title: Re: Short Stirling v2 [4.09]
Post by: SAS~Epervier on October 06, 2018, 03:10:44 PM
Let me propose another version of bombing sight fix for 4.12.2 for Short Stirling.
The viewfinder view is not suitable for 16:9 monitor !
It is preferable to use this code in the Cockpit_Bombardier :     CmdEnv.top().exec("fov 31.086");
     CmdEnv.top().exec("fov 23.913");    is for 4:3 monitor.
Title: Re: Short Stirling v2 [4.09]
Post by: Stefan SG on October 06, 2018, 04:18:32 PM
The viewfinder view is not suitable for 16:9 monitor !
It is preferable to use this code in the Cockpit_Bombardier :     CmdEnv.top().exec("fov 31.086");
     CmdEnv.top().exec("fov 23.913");    is for 4:3 monitor.

Dear Epervier,
Thank You for Your kind advise and help.  ]thumleft[
The new link with options for both 4:3 and 16:9 monitors is added.
Title: Re: Short Stirling v2 [4.09]
Post by: SAS~Epervier on October 07, 2018, 02:22:26 AM
Thank You for Your kind advise and help.
The new link with options for both 4:3 and 16:9 monitors is added.
Thank you!
I'll include your link in the first post!  ;)
Title: Re: Short Stirling v2
Post by: FANATIC MODDER on October 07, 2018, 04:46:38 AM
Sorry to disagree with you Epervier, but.....

Epervier took the most difficult task, one of the most difficult planes to model with weird dimensions and shapes, loads of difficult details to model (complex landing gear, complex turrets, complex canopy etc) making proper template for this would not be an easy task also.... Most importantly for me, making a proper FM, this combination of short thick wing, long fuselage, small tail surfaces angle of attack on take off...one of the most weird planes ever because it was FLAWED from the beginning.
Title: Re: Short Stirling v2 [4.09] [4.12]
Post by: Marat on October 15, 2018, 07:45:14 AM
Dear friends, where to get the skins for this beautiful bomber?
Title: Re: Short Stirling v2 [4.09] [4.12]
Post by: SAS~Epervier on December 10, 2018, 01:58:35 PM
By leperemagloire...

(http://www.mediafire.com/?rjgiolgrplxx2tc)

(http://www.mediafire.com/?phe98scdhtpetta)

(http://www.mediafire.com/?bm42hjqkt9b22qf)

But the very approximate mapping of the aircraft causes big problems....
Good luck LPM!  ;)
Title: Re: Short Stirling v2
Post by: henkypenky on December 10, 2018, 02:18:49 PM
Quote
big problems....
but looking very good, I like it!
Title: Re: Short Stirling v2
Post by: SAS~Epervier on December 10, 2018, 02:28:12 PM
Quote
big problems....
but looking very good, I like it!
Because we don't show you the faces that cause problems....  ;)   
 :D