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Title: All National anthems Work in progress...Help Me
Post by: Stefano on January 14, 2018, 05:17:31 AM
Goodmorning everyone.
As the title I'm working on the implementation by now quite a while, of all or almost, the National Hymns of the various states contained in Forgotten Countries.
I had a few questions to ask you about this, there are some things like I did not come back clear,
1) the state of Costa Verde where it is located as typing on the internet brings me back to a famous coast of Sardinia "https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costa_Verde_(Italia)", or even worse I make a list of real hotels with this name scattered around the world ...
I would not want Costa Verde to refer to the State of Cape Verde in Africa ...
2) All audio files for now correspond correctly to their nations, except in one case, and it concerns Austria ...
Here I have introduced two different Hymns, one concerning the period of the Second World Conflict, the other is the one still used today in Austri. But I did not understand why, changing the two types of Nation, the hymn remains the same, while in other cases of duplication of Nations it does not happen to me.
If you can give me some advice to deal with these problems.
(https://s18.postimg.cc/mk3ko0hop/Austria.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

(https://s18.postimg.cc/swipy9sl5/Inni_Menu.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Title: Re: All National anthems Work in progress...Help Me
Post by: SAS~Malone on January 14, 2018, 10:52:36 AM
I hope you have the more applicable older version of the south africa anthem, known as 'die stem' rather than the modern 'n'kosi sikelele' which did not exist at the time of these conflicts(at least not as an anthem).
if not, let me know. i'm sure i can find a decent copy for you. :)
Title: Re: All National anthems Work in progress...Help Me
Post by: Stefano on January 14, 2018, 11:26:08 AM
Malone, then for South Africa, I entered the version if I'm not mistaken of the English anthem for the period of the Second World War, after which there should be the current anthem of South Africa.

in order:
SA. South Africa
God Save the Queen
SS. South Africa (Postwar)
God Save the Queen
SB South Africa (Republic)
Nkosi Sikelel 'iAfrika

I know that surely I will have some mess with the hymns, but believe me it's not easy ... At one point my neurons had been in conflict. ;D

However, when I release the package I will put it in the WIP, as I am sure that many changes will have to be made.
As soon as I have some time I will load it because frankly I can not do it alone.
Title: Re: All National anthems Work in progress...Help Me
Post by: SAS~Gerax on January 16, 2018, 04:51:38 AM
2) All audio files for now correspond correctly to their nations, except in one case, and it concerns Austria ...
Here I have introduced two different Hymns, one concerning the period of the Second World Conflict, the other is the one still used today in Austri. But I did not understand why, changing the two types of Nation, the hymn remains the same, while in other cases of duplication of Nations it does not happen to me.
If you can give me some advice to deal with these problems.

Why do you assume that Austria blue is WWII?

As I have it in Modact for 4.12 its modern (1955-today) or "First Republic" Austria 1936–1938
sharing the same Roundel. What is missing is the Emblem of Heimwehr Flying Corps (see below).

As the hymns at this time Austria had this one from 1920-1929 (at least officially)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsch%C3%B6sterreich,_du_herrliches_Land
and this one from 1929 to 1938:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sei_gesegnet_ohne_Ende.
using the old Kaiser-Hymns melody by Haydn:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gott_erhalte_Franz_den_Kaiser.

Since March 1938 there was no Austria anymore until May of 1945.
As hymn the "Ostmark" (Austria as part of the Reich) shared the German hymn,
the "Deutschlandlied" (wich is also the old Austria-Habsburgs Kaiser-Hymn
melody by Joseph Haydn) but the first stanza only,
followed by the SA song "Horst-Wessel-Lied".


The Roundel as Austria has it nowadays was the same as used from
1936-1938, before there was the "Heimwehr Flying Corps" using another
Roundel as seen here:
http://www.insigniamag.com/heim.html
the emblem as we have it in FC now was introduced in 1936, history see here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_Air_Force#History and there
click"Austrian Air Force (1927–1938)".
Maybe someone will make this missing roundel of the Heimwehr FC some day?

And yes, there should be different hymns, one with the modern Austrian hymn
and one at least with Haydns Kaiser-Hymn melody.


Title: Re: All National anthems Work in progress...Help Me
Post by: Stefano on January 16, 2018, 02:43:43 PM
Gerax thank you for the help, in fact I drew much of the information from wikipedia.
But there are many noticeable differences from the English to the Italian Wiki version,
"and I fight with English ..."  :(
Then see the English Wikipedia pages where they show a myriad of reading data to be reduced to just two lines with the Italian version ... it's really depressing.  :(

However, the fact that I have associated the part of Austria-Blue to the Axis has been dictated by a historical logic I believe ... "maybe I made a crap, but in good faith ...",
that is both Austria and Germany, they fought a World War side by side, except for the Second World Conflict, where there was the annexation of Austria by Nazi Germany with unorthodox methods, and facts from the 1938 to 1945 Austria had to "undergo and adopt" also the flag of the Third Reich.

Now I'm loading the RAR file on Mediafire hoping for a faster connection speed ...
Unfortunately in my area the connection is powered by a hamster running in his beautiful wheel ...
(https://us.123rf.com/450wm/denis0909/denis09091512/denis0909151200002/49852692-illustrazione-della-imprenditore-stanco-in-esecuzione-in-una-ruota-del-criceto.jpg?ver=6) ;D :D

Well, after about a couple of hours and a half, I managed to load the rar file
http://www.mediafire.com/file/cvi7aa612bltm3h/Menu.rar (http://www.mediafire.com/file/cvi7aa612bltm3h/Menu.rar)
Title: Re: All National anthems Work in progress...Help Me
Post by: SAS~Gerax on January 16, 2018, 11:44:36 PM
Stefano, first of all: many thanks for your work with all this!  :)

Please do not take anything I write below as a critic,
just let me clarify a few things as I understand it.

To assign the German hymn for Austria blue (code: AQ) is wrong for this reason:
In World War two Austria didn't exist. it was erased from the maps.
It was part of Germany and named "Ostmark".
The name Österreich (Austria) didn't exist anymore and was wiped out
even on the maps. ie Niederösterreich (lower Austria, one of the nine states in Austria, where some
of my ancestors were and are from) was named: Niederdonau (lower Danube). See here (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/59/Grossdeutsches_Reich_NS_Administration_1944.png).

This means: when someone does a mission/campaign for an "Austrian" pilot
fighting in WWII (ie Walter Nowotny etc) then this missions has to go into
DE (German) folder in missions/campaing folders. With stock DE hymn, emblems,
ranks, awards, flag as you use it for "German" pilots of WWII.  ;)

Austria blue (AQ) is just the duplicate of Austria red (code: AT) wich has the modern
Austria hymn and Emblem. And so should have Austria blue..

But: we could use at least the emblem of AT, AQ for the Austria Luftwaffe wich
existed from 1936-1938 a it shares the same emblem with modern Austria.
But then the hymn should be different, should be the old Haydn "Kaiser" tune
but with a different text.

This was the Austrian hymn from 1929 to 1938.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0QPYi1LzKI

Be aware that its the same Haydn tune the German used and use, but with another text !!!  ;)



Title: Re: All National anthems Work in progress...Help Me
Post by: Stefano on January 18, 2018, 01:57:47 PM
Gerax, I thank you for the criticism and corrections you are giving me;)

Returning to the post:
So if I have not misunderstood the version of the Austrian Anthem, in both cases must be and remain the same version?
Or what you posted is only about the part of Austria Blue? And so it must be changed? with the correct version
"Sei gesegnet ohne Ende - Kernstock Hymne - Version 2?
Gerax, in my brain lately, houses the monkey of Homer Simpson  ;D  ]thumbsup[

Ah another thing but this blessed "GREEN COAST" that is reported in the forgotten countries to which country, place, country or city refers?
As I already wrote in the previous post I can not understand which GREEN COAST it is. I know that in Sardinia, I think there is in Brazil and Spain if I'm not mistaken, but precisely they are coastal places.
Now my doubt remains and pervades me, perhaps "COSTA VERDE" wants to be more precisely "CAPE VERDE?" the Insular State?  ]banghead[
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_Verde

Gerax and all of you I apologize for the delay with which I answered, plus I must also use a translator of English ... I am one of the few in the world that does not speak ... as the last of the Mohicans  :D  ]notworthy[
Title: Re: All National anthems Work in progress...Help Me
Post by: Piotrek1 on January 18, 2018, 02:12:24 PM
Hi Stefano, Thank you very much for the enormity of the work you have done up here 8), now I can listen to Mazurek during the flight.  :)

@ Hi SAS ~ Gerax
I was looking for  "Heimwehr Flying Corps" insignia on the internet, but I could not find anything.
Is there a website where can I find them?

Regards,
Piotrek
Title: Re: All National anthems Work in progress...Help Me
Post by: SAS~Gerax on January 20, 2018, 09:20:52 AM
I was looking for  "Heimwehr Flying Corps" insignia on the internet, but I could not find anything.

Only pic I found you can see when you click the link in my reply #3 under:
Quote
before there was the "Heimwehr Flying Corps


And thats the only description available it seems:
Quote
Its emblem was a red-white-red flag, with a white eagle on a green circle at its centre.

But we do not know if there were any roundels etc on the wings
(when there was anything at all) ?
Title: Re: All National anthems Work in progress...Help Me
Post by: SAS~Gerax on January 20, 2018, 09:37:24 AM
So if I have not misunderstood the version of the Austrian Anthem, in both cases must be and remain the same version?

When you see Austria blue just as a copy of Austria red as I do: yes.
But maybe I am wrong with this, so if anyone knows better, please post your thoughts! 
I think this "duplicate" thing was done in this way for mission makers, so they can set
modern Austria as red or blue, just as they need it in their missions.

Quote
Or what you posted is only about the part of Austria Blue?

I do not think that it was the intention of the maker(s) of this mod to have
Austria red or blue as the Austrian Luftwaffe 1936-38. He/they wanted to make
it the modern Austria Air Force. That this period 1936-38 shares the same
emblem is just a nice accident. And so we optionally can use the same AT red or blue
for this period also, but when you do so, then you have to do with the correct Hymn.
And thats the Kornstock hymn.  :)

When you want to use this two Ausria red and blue one as modern and
one as 1936-38 Air Force you will run into the problem that you can use only
one hmyn for both if I understood this correctly.  :-X

Title: Re: All National anthems Work in progress...Help Me
Post by: Piotrek1 on January 20, 2018, 10:12:36 AM
Hi SAS ~ Gerax,
Thank you for your comprehensive answer, I would also like to see the Heimwehr Flying Corps insignia in the game.
Best regards,
Piotrek
Title: Re: All National anthems Work in progress...Help Me
Post by: SAS~Gerax on January 20, 2018, 11:12:01 PM
I can't see how this would make sense.

We have no slot for this country, we do not have good knowledge
about this Heimwehr Flying Corps History, Emblems etc and finally:
do we have any planes they used?:
BFW Messerschmitt M 23b, Hopfner HS 8/29, Fiat AS 1
(https://forum.axishistory.com//viewtopic.php?t=137371)


But when someone wants to make this and/or
 find out more about all this: good luck.   ;D
Title: Re: All National anthems Work in progress...Help Me
Post by: Piotrek1 on January 22, 2018, 06:45:53 AM
Hi SAS~Gerax, I apologize for the delay, because of heavy snowfall I had a problem with access to the Internet,
returning to the topic, I have to agree with what you wrote, although the slot is not so much a problem here:
(https://i.imgur.com/cne9nqa.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/yoIVG5l.png)
the point is that after adding new countries their insignia are not visible in the game, maybe they require some Java code ?,

but if we put them in Generic Red files , Generic Blue they work.
(https://i.imgur.com/1KYmmNY.png)

 :P
(https://i.imgur.com/egbG5SF.png)

maybe we should move the discussions here:
https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,56585.0.html

Best regards,
Piotrek
Title: Re: All National anthems Work in progress...Help Me
Post by: SAS~Gerax on January 23, 2018, 02:39:07 AM
Piotrek1, yes, of course its possible to do a "slot".
When I said "good luck" with it than I did this for another reason:
imho its not enough to just have a icon, emblem. etc.
And so for the work to find out more info: I wish good luck
as it seems hard to find good info on the net in some cases.  ;)

I found not only one photography showing a Heimwehr plane.
All we have is this pic I found and linked. So we do not know:
What kind of emblems did they have on the wings. Were there any?
Whats about the numbering? Were there any other planes apart from
what I mentioned above? Where were their homebases? Who exactly
operated them? Whats about the ranks in this Flying corps?
Do we know any pilots? And so on...
There is a lot of research to do and I fear its not possible without
buying books (when there are some available at all). Contact some
historians here in Austria. Etc.

So when someone wants to make a campaign with all whistles and bells,
means: emblems/icons, hymn, ranks, flag and put all this in a new
campaign folder slot (blue? red?), then there really is a lot of work to do.   
and for this I wish him/her good luck. I am not so much interested in this.

When I did the search for this Heimwehr Corps I came across other
missing forgotten countries and in this case: a forgotten airwar!

The "Carinthian Air War" as part of the "Carinthian Border War" 1918/1919...
Just a few pics links:

http://www.findmodelkit.com/sites/default/files/br-246.jpg
https://images.auctionhelper.com/images/10343//Decals/BR229A.jpg
http://www.findmodelkit.com/sites/default/files/br-229b.jpg
https://www.scalemates.com/kits/965394-blue-rider-br229-carinthian-air-war-part-i
http://www.findmodelkit.com/sites/default/files/br-229c.jpg
http://www.blackbirdmodels.co.uk/ekmps/shops/blackbirdmodel/images/carinthian-air-war-1918-19-72--87-p.jpg

But to find more detailed info is as hard as with "Heimwehr FC".  :-X
I did a search using german language only, but there should be some
search in slovenian, crotiatia, serbs language too.

So I found infos about the border war, but nothing essential about the air war ..
were there any dog fights, ground attacks, losses or was there reconn only?
Number of planes involved? Wich planes exactly? 
etc etc ... I found nothing ..  :-X

So when a mission maker wants to tackle this and maybe wants to make this
a complete pack with campaign folders with flags, hymns, ranks, insignias etc .. 
good luck with finding out all about this war.



Title: Re: All National anthems Work in progress...Help Me
Post by: Piotrek1 on January 23, 2018, 03:51:05 AM
Hi SAS~Gerax,  You are absolutely right in what you wrote here, we would need some more knowledge about it,  :-X
when it comes to posted links, it looks very interesting 8), I hope that these two countries will someday be represented in "Forgotten Countries",
Thank you for your commitment and searching .
Best regards,
Piotrek
Title: Re: All National anthems Work in progress...Help Me
Post by: Stefano on January 30, 2018, 01:49:19 PM
Gentlemen here is a patch that replaces the AT file in the menu "AT stands for Austria", while the part of Austria Blue still does not want to know to let me listen to the other kind of anthem
Austrian, which I would add "beautiful". For every event in the rar file there is a folder called "Back-up" inside which the old AT-AQ audio files are located.
Having said that it is only right to thank Gerax for the tips he gave me about the Austrian national anthem.
While at the same time I am also delighted to complete all the backgrounds of the nations so far present in Il2Sturmovik1946, including the forgotten countries ... I attach links from which you can download the flags in TGA backgrond format. Each folder contains other flags that can be replaced, always remember to make a copy of the one you want to replace so as to avoid loss in the future, even if already in the package is always included in each folder a backup copy named "Flag background" .
This is the last post I write from this car that has accompanied me for about 12 years in the air battles in Il2, now I will retire ... a new machine is ready to roam the virtual skies of the world, Have fun all ;)


Patch Menu
http://www.mediafire.com/file/sfv9d0bgqz34pms/samples.rar (http://www.mediafire.com/file/sfv9d0bgqz34pms/samples.rar)

Backgraund Nations
http://www.mediafire.com/file/rh3qoac1vxm0938/Missions+Background.rar (http://www.mediafire.com/file/rh3qoac1vxm0938/Missions+Background.rar)

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