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Individual Mod Downloads for IL-2 1946 => Aircraft => Twins => Topic started by: Lone Wolf on November 18, 2019, 11:52:42 AM

Title: Ryan FR-1 Fireball [4.10][4.12]
Post by: Lone Wolf on November 18, 2019, 11:52:42 AM
Ryan FR-1 Fireball

 The Ryan FR Fireball was a mixed-power (piston and jet-powered) fighter aircraft designed by Ryan Aeronautical for the United States Navy during World War II. It was the Navy's first aircraft with a jet engine. Only 66 aircraft were built before Japan surrendered in August 1945. The FR-1 Fireball equipped a single squadron before the war's end, but did not see combat. The aircraft ultimately proved to lack the structural strength required for operations aboard aircraft carriers and was withdrawn in mid-1947. (Wiki)

http://www.mediafire.com/file/carwwm20yimac07/Ryan_FR-1_Fireball.rar/file

This is Kazunori Ito's Ryan FR1 Fireball updated for Flight Simulator X which I merely imported into IL-2 1946. All credit for this model is to be given to Kazunori Ito.

 I've included a few extra skins in both 2048 and 1024 sizes. A template will follow a little later.

This has only been tested in BAT 3.7.2.
Cockpit Fix http://www.mediafire.com/file/lftrw6tdcphsbss/Cockpit_Fix.rar/file

 Enjoy

Lone Wolf

Read me

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[Air.ini]

Fireball              air.FR_1                  1 NOINFO  usa01 SUMMER

  [Plane]

Fireball        Ryan FR-1 Fireball, 1944

  [Skin folder]

Fireball

  [Credits]

 Model Kazunori Ito

 Importing Lone Wolf

 Skins and Template Lone Wolf 


(https://i.postimg.cc/2SB0hz1X/2019-07-25-at-14-48-18.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/FYNbQXgj)

(https://i.postimg.cc/nL4TS0Y4/2019-07-27-at-11-54-04.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/cKJQr7zC)


Update in post #32
https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,62800.msg691954.html#msg691954
Title: Re: Ryan FR-1 Fireball
Post by: SAS~vampire_pilot on November 18, 2019, 12:41:10 PM
Oh, one true oddball to join the ranks of Allied 46! Nice choice.
Title: Re: Ryan FR-1 Fireball [4.12]
Post by: agracier on November 18, 2019, 01:57:47 PM
Works fine in 4.10 / DBW as well. Lovely aircraft, fast and nimble, something that can keep up with the advanced 1946 Japanese fighters ... and obscure as well which is always a plus point for me ...

Nice work.
Title: Re: Ryan FR-1 Fireball [4.12]
Post by: herbarnold99 on November 18, 2019, 05:23:35 PM
Wonderful! I guess this is really a subject for the "twins" category. Is there a way to fly on just jet or prop power alone?

Thanks for sharing this !

Cheers
Herb
Title: Re: Ryan FR-1 Fireball [4.12]
Post by: Mr.Craig on November 18, 2019, 06:22:02 PM
Excellent work! I was wondering if someone would build this unusual plane 8)
Title: Re: Ryan FR-1 Fireball [4.12]
Post by: rkalhorn109 on November 18, 2019, 07:20:37 PM
Thanks! A very interesting aircraft.  Took me several test flights to get accustomed to the slow-revving jet engine, similar to learning the Me 262. Gotta go easy on the throttle during taxiing and takeoff or one truly becomes a Fireball.
Title: Re: Ryan FR-1 Fireball
Post by: SAS~vampire_pilot on November 18, 2019, 10:34:13 PM
I tried to test it and found a few items, which may need a bit of tuning?

The cockpit is the Meteor. It is placed too much to the front, in front of the propeller actually. Maybe it would help to introduce an additional hier.him for the Fireball pit where it is placed further back?

Also, engine management is kind of weird. The propeller engine seems matched to a jet engine as well and reacts to handling by igniting - even when looking at the throttle wrong it already ignites.
I never looked at a  mixed engine FM but there are a few, so I suppose it is possible to pair that engine with an actual radial engine FM?

I suppose you should fly this thing by setting the jet to a certain setting and leave it alone most of the time, only operating the piston engine in flight?
Title: Re: Ryan FR-1 Fireball [4.12]
Post by: SAS~Storebror on November 18, 2019, 10:52:01 PM
Nice addition to the game, well done ;)
Title: Re: Ryan FR-1 Fireball
Post by: RealDarko on November 19, 2019, 02:43:18 AM
Amazing addition! Thanks for importing it.
Title: Re: Ryan FR-1 Fireball [4.12]
Post by: bomberkiller on November 19, 2019, 06:38:01 AM
I have successfully tested the FR-1 Fireball in my 4.10.1 & #DBW & Tigers UV3!
 
Lone Wolf, many thanks!


Maybe someone would like to watch my ".ntrk" video:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/i7omajkaqw2o660/no_chance_for_the_japs_ntrk_video.7z/file (http://www.mediafire.com/file/i7omajkaqw2o660/no_chance_for_the_japs_ntrk_video.7z/file)

With best regards, Gerhard  :)
Title: Re: Ryan FR-1 Fireball
Post by: Seb on November 19, 2019, 10:21:27 AM
Thank you very much for this plane. It was an interesting construction, transitional between piston and jet aircraft.
I am glad that this plane appeared.
The funniest thing is that he can be in the section he is in, but he can also be in Twins and Jets.
greetings
Seb.
Title: Re: Ryan FR-1 Fireball
Post by: urmel on November 19, 2019, 10:55:33 AM
Great aircraft thanks for it!!!
Title: Re: Ryan FR-1 Fireball [4.12]
Post by: Piotrek1 on November 19, 2019, 11:03:38 AM
Great work 8), Thank you!
Title: Re: Ryan FR-1 Fireball [4.12]
Post by: Lone Wolf on November 19, 2019, 11:37:33 AM
Thanks for all your kind words everyone. Really appreciated.

 I'm happy to hear that this is working in other versions of the game as well.

I've added a link to the cockpit folder that I omitted to replace in the original release.

As soon as I figure out how to use the video file you posted Gerhard I'll have a view. It sounds like a good one. :D

Lone Wolf

P.s. As herbarnold pointed out this should have been posted in the twins section. My bad.

(https://i.postimg.cc/cHY9PgjY/2019-11-19-at-18-18-04.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xJf3zC9T)

(https://i.postimg.cc/RhBsmC5Y/2019-11-19-at-18-18-25.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/2b0FFD5d)
Title: Re: Ryan FR-1 Fireball
Post by: Griffon_301 on November 19, 2019, 11:57:38 AM
Great bird-thanks a lot!
But is it possible to get at least a Mk VIII gunsight for that bird;
A British gunsight looks so wrong in US birds 😁
Title: Re: Ryan FR-1 Fireball [4.12]
Post by: agracier on November 19, 2019, 12:02:17 PM


P.s. As herbarnold pointed out this should have been posted in the twins section. My bad.


I think it is just as valid being classified as a single. It looks like a single engine aircraft in any case ...
Title: Re: Ryan FR-1 Fireball [4.10][4.12]
Post by: SAS~Storebror on November 19, 2019, 12:04:09 PM
Same to me. Single engine FTW!
Title: Re: Ryan FR-1 Fireball [4.10][4.12]
Post by: Lone Wolf on November 19, 2019, 12:57:42 PM
Ya you look at this and just think that thing stickin out the ass end is just the exhaust pipe for the radial engine. :D
Title: Re: Ryan FR-1 Fireball [4.10][4.12]
Post by: NavyAce on November 19, 2019, 06:41:08 PM
Hi,

       I thought I would report that I downloaded and installed the FR-1 Fireball in my v 4.12.2m SAS Modact v 5.3 game and it CTD at 20%. Normal install with the plane folder in my #SAS folder, the air.ini and properties files in their correct respective places. Maybe not compatible with my setup.

                 NavyAce
 
Title: Re: Ryan FR-1 Fireball [4.10][4.12]
Post by: SAS~Storebror on November 20, 2019, 01:28:40 AM
log or it didn't happen.
Title: Re: Ryan FR-1 Fireball [4.10][4.12]
Post by: bomberkiller on November 20, 2019, 04:40:58 AM
Quote
As soon as I figure out how to use the video file you posted Gerhard I'll have a view.

Lone Wolf,

dezipp the file and put it in your "Records" folder.

Start the game and start the video, or did not I understand you correctly?

 ]cheers[

Gerhard
Title: Re: Ryan FR-1 Fireball
Post by: Griffon_301 on November 20, 2019, 06:06:26 AM
tried it now a few times but I had hard times landing on carriers thanks to the weird engine managment in the FM;
this baby should be landed like an early jet and not like a prop fighter;
from what I remember the jet engine was supposed to boost the speed during combat but should not be used while operating around the boat so it would be nice to get a "decoupled" flight model where one can select the jet engine and the piston engine independently...
IIRC the I-250 had this kind of engine management in the game so maybe that could serve as the base for a new FR-1 FM?

as of now, the FR-1 is nice to fly but a bitch to operate around the boat, I´d rather stick to Bearcats and Tigercats, not to speak of my beloved Corsair :D
Title: Re: Ryan FR-1 Fireball [4.10][4.12]
Post by: bomberkiller on November 20, 2019, 07:01:24 AM
Hello Griffon,

to land the Fireball is easy. Watch this ".ntrk" video:

https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,62800.msg690831.html#msg690831 (https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,62800.msg690831.html#msg690831)

 ]cheers[

Gerhard
Title: Re: Ryan FR-1 Fireball
Post by: Griffon_301 on November 20, 2019, 08:02:47 AM
Hey Gerhard!

I have watched you track and your carrier landing technique is different to mine; I usually prefer the English curved approach as with this you can virtually keep the deck in sight to the last moments;
problem with the Fireball is, as soon as I catch a wire, it rolls a little bit forward till the hook grips the wire, and then it pitches up till the tail touches the deck and explodes;
very weird;
I have gotten into carrier landings quite well again recently and I manage to easily land everything from TBDs to SB2Cs and F7Fs but that Fireball is a different story;
and I definitely do not like its flight model;
its acceleration is ridiculously slow (it seems to only accelerate on the jet engine, not the piston one) and its deceleration much to quick when putting down flaps...definitely something that should be improved... if only I knew how to do it, I would do it as I have some good reference books on the navy fighters...
Title: Re: Ryan FR-1 Fireball [4.10][4.12]
Post by: SAS~vampire_pilot on November 20, 2019, 08:26:46 AM
tried it now a few times but I had hard times landing on carriers thanks to the weird engine managment in the FM;
this baby should be landed like an early jet and not like a prop fighter;

This plane has no specially developed Flighmodel. It basically is a twin jet aircraft under the hood. The FM uses two Jumo engines which is probably a stop gap solution, I presume? So this is basically a Me-262 that looks like a Fireball.

A mix of a  prop and a jet is possible in the same aircraft. Maybe I'll look into this FM a bit, if that's okay for you, LoneWolf?


Also, the cockpit still causes issues. The current solution is simply overwriting the existing Meteor cockpit, resulting in a mess in the Meteors:

(https://i.postimg.cc/8zz1QDvp/2019-11-20-05-18-23.png)

This is not the way to do this. This plane needs a dedicated cockpit class and at least its own hier.him.


As we are dealing with an American Navy plane I would propose using a completely different pit to begin with, the F7F_3 cockpit:

(https://i.postimg.cc/nVS2YG13/2019-11-20-15-15-33.jpg)

It would also need re-positioning though, it also is too much to the front. But it operates two engines and could be simply cloned and referred to a new hier.him

Please don't get me wrong, I'm just throwing out suggestions and impressions, trying to improve this funny looking animal  :)
Title: Re: Ryan FR-1 Fireball
Post by: Griffon_301 on November 20, 2019, 08:37:57 AM
Vampire, you are my hero! the F7F shoud be a good start for the cockpit, and I guess the I-250 FM could be the start for the FM; both, the I-250 and the FR-1 should be close in performance, and coincidentally, they were designed for the same job - fast climbing bomber interceptors (against LW jet bombers in the I-250s case and against approaching Kamikazes in the FR-1s)
Title: Re: Ryan FR-1 Fireball [4.10][4.12]
Post by: KingTiger503 on November 20, 2019, 08:43:13 AM
It was powered by J31 Turbojet Engine used by P-59 Airacomet and Ryan FR Fireball.

Best Regards KT503
Title: Re: Ryan FR-1 Fireball [4.10][4.12]
Post by: SAS~vampire_pilot on November 20, 2019, 09:02:59 AM
Vampire, you are my hero! the F7F shoud be a good start for the cockpit, and I guess the I-250 FM could be the start for the FM;

thanks, That cockpit piece was easy, I have dedicated classes and a new hier already working.



Edit: removed some incorrect assumptions about 3d to avoid confusion


Title: Re: Ryan FR-1 Fireball
Post by: Griffon_301 on November 20, 2019, 11:01:14 AM
Try the I-250...same configuration as the Fireball...and wasn't there a mod Do-335 that used a piston and a jet engine?
Title: Re: Ryan FR-1 Fireball
Post by: SAS~vampire_pilot on November 20, 2019, 11:10:22 AM
Edit:
Removed incorrect asumptions to avoid confusiom.
Title: Re: Ryan FR-1 Fireball
Post by: Griffon_301 on November 20, 2019, 12:06:12 PM
https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,46637.msg518578.html#msg518578

maybe that bird could help as a template?
Title: Re: Ryan FR-1 Fireball [4.10][4.12]
Post by: bomberkiller on November 21, 2019, 01:11:05 AM
Hello Lone Wolf,

just wanted to introduce my "BK 09" skin.  ;)

(https://i.ibb.co/R0cngHJ/Fireball-a-bk.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/kSw0Bmr/Fireball-b-bk.jpg)

 ]cheers[

Gerhard
Title: Re: Ryan FR-1 Fireball
Post by: SAS~vampire_pilot on December 04, 2019, 08:09:26 AM
I have tried to contact Lone Wolf about this but he hasn't been online in a long time so I decided to publish this on my own here:

I have reworked and updated the Fireball with a few new features:
(only tested in BAT WAW)

http://www.mediafire.com/file/87u7lsbdjepy5yc/%2521%2521_Fireball_191201.zip/file

F7F cockpit used
-you need to have the F7F installed

New and realistic FM:
-one Wright Cyclone Radial and one GE jet engine in the correct centerline positions.
-no more fire danger
-can be operated on their own, I suggest you set the jet and only handle the radial in a combat situation
-speed envelope close to real life figures, also for single-engine operation

Replaced 20mm armament with 4x .50cal.
Added drop tanks to loadout.
US-marked and darker blue default skin

The tricycle landing gear is very different from a tail sitter when landing on a carrier.
Approach in a flat angle with full flaps at ~190kph (depends on fuel load) and immediately after touch down press stick full forward into the nose gear to avoid being pulled back onto your tail (and crash). It is (and also was in real life) counter intuitive to the previous tail sitters.


Title: Re: Ryan FR-1 Fireball [4.10][4.12]
Post by: SAS~Storebror on December 04, 2019, 09:01:39 AM
Nice, thanks Andy 8)
Title: Re: Ryan FR-1 Fireball [4.10][4.12]
Post by: bomberkiller on December 04, 2019, 09:12:02 AM
Your new Fireball runs flawlessly in my 4.10 & DBW. (The Fireball reminds me of DEEP PURPLE  ;)  )

(https://i.ibb.co/MMBzK5M/Fireball-Cockpit-bk.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/8KCj0PS/Fireball-Malta-bk.jpg)

Thank you very much.

Gerhard           (https://i.ibb.co/khTPgtX/Haegar-Hauwegden-Humpen.png)
Title: Re: Ryan FR-1 Fireball [4.10][4.12]
Post by: Mr.Craig on December 04, 2019, 09:34:17 AM
Thank you very much! Got it working in 4.09 and so far so good  ;)



 
Title: Re: Ryan FR-1 Fireball [4.10][4.12]
Post by: osokiller1 on December 04, 2019, 03:07:39 PM
 wow great work funny thing is I was just randomly thinking about this plane for no reason right before I stumbled on this.
Title: Re: Ryan FR-1 Fireball
Post by: PO_MAK_249RIP on December 04, 2019, 10:36:21 PM
Didnt Col Steve Zodiac fly this??? 😂😂