# Special Aircraft Service

## the SAS Hangar => The Lounge => Plastix => Topic started by: SAS~Malone on November 05, 2019, 02:06:46 AM

Title: WIP Build: Matchbox 1/32 Lysander Mk.III
Post by: SAS~Malone on November 05, 2019, 02:06:46 AM
Hi guys
So, in this thread I'll be posting updates as I make progress with this build.
Initially, a lot of research to be done, and I'm still deciding how many 'mods' i'm going to add to it  :D

Meanwhile, I've started with some basic test-fitting of major parts, assembled some parts which are halves, such as wings, pilot figure,wheels and what i assume is the 150 gallon fuel pod. drilled out some bits such as the gun barrels. assembled the basic cockpit frame - this area will receive most of the upgrades.

i wasn't planning much in the line of exterior mods, but i have since discovered that the inside leading edge slats would be in the open position when the plane is at rest, so i'm now considering this rather intimidating mod,  8)

that's clearly seen in the following vid, and i'm also asking if anyone know if the two intakes inside the front cowling are a regular feature, or some postwar upgrade? they are visible at 0:13 seconds into the vid.

thanks in advance for any info.  :)

and lastly, a few pics of what i've been tinkering with to this point.

(https://i.postimg.cc/YqppDB34/IMG-20191104-090807.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/grTFr51d)

(https://i.postimg.cc/FR4tf0Cf/IMG-20191104-091007.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ns0Sg9JZ)

(https://i.postimg.cc/RFQkwq2g/IMG-20191105-103531.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/sQxHrfjW)

initial fitting is pretty good, the fuselage halves won't need much more than just a little filling here and there, so far, so good....

oh wait - one more question....

in this last pic below, when i see these depressions on the rear of the prop blades, i'm thinking 'those are sinkmarks'.
but before i go ahead and fill them, could anyone say if possibly that is meant to be this way?   o_O

(https://i.postimg.cc/6ppCXS9q/IMG-20191105-095429.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Whxdm5qc)

thanks, and cheers!   8)
Title: Re: WIP Build: Matchbox 1/32 Lysander Mk.III
Post by: Peter Lynn on November 05, 2019, 04:15:13 AM
Hi Malone,
I built this kit in the mid 80's and it proved fairly challenging. I thought I might offer some contribution regarding what lies ahead of you. As a coincidence, I finished mine exactly like the subject of your photo above of the full sized example including hand painted roundels and squadron codes.I super detailed mine by cutting away all the access panels on the port fuselage side and installed stuff like control cables and frame rigging and cutting away the leading edge slots and positioning them "out", but enough of that.
The prop bades on your kit have a bad dose of shrink recessions where the plastic did not fill the mould. Easily fixed with filler. You will find you'll have your hands full when it comes to fitting the wings to the canopy framing. The whole question of alignment here is important and it needs to start with the fitting of the undercarriage units and getting the angle right, or you may find that the wing struts won'nt acccomodate the right dihedral angle. I had to cut spacers from plastic card to the same profile as the strut ends to pack them out a little to get the right dihedral. I no longer have photos of mine unfortunately as a wind gust caught it sitting on my car roof as I was taking it to a local modelling competition and it was smashed on impact with the ground. It can be made into a really nice model but Matchbox kits of that era tended to be rather crude! If I can assist further please let me know. You are doing a great job with it so far. Good luck with her. They were an amazing aircraft!
Cheers.
Title: Re: WIP Build: Matchbox 1/32 Lysander Mk.III
Post by: SAS~Malone on November 05, 2019, 05:22:23 AM
thanks Peter - yep, I figured the prop thing was a mold sink problem - as you say, a simple bit of filling will sort that out
as for the wings thing, yes, that was the first potential headache that i spotted.
the fitting locators for the upper frame piece, upon which both upper wings are supported, is vague to non-existent.
certainly there is nothing that 'clicks' in to place here, and being such a high stress join area, this will have to be very carefully worked on.
i might add some extra support in this area, also to help get all the angles as they should be.
certainly i plan to do as much up-detailing as i can reasonably get away with.
cheers!   8)
Title: Re: WIP Build: Matchbox 1/32 Lysander Mk.III
Post by: SAS~CirX on November 05, 2019, 08:55:29 AM
Oh wow, great build project! I have one of these kits in my collection, but I wont build it unless I got another of course. I will follow this with Fascination Eugene!
Title: Re: WIP Build: Matchbox 1/32 Lysander Mk.III
Post by: SAS~Malone on November 05, 2019, 10:09:53 AM
the main reason i decided to go ahead with this one, Piet, is because the box was quite badly damaged - some sort of past damp issue.
luckily the decals are unafflicted with any such issue.
i have the 109E-3/4 and Dauntless SBD-5 in this series, as well - but i'm holding onto those, like Golem and The Ring   :D
Title: Re: WIP Build: Matchbox 1/32 Lysander Mk.III
Post by: SAS~CirX on November 05, 2019, 11:15:45 AM
i have the 109E-3/4 and Dauntless SBD-5 in this series, as well - but i'm holding onto those, like Golem and The Ring   :D

You and me both!!

Which version of the E do you have? (There were two boxings)
Title: Re: WIP Build: Matchbox 1/32 Lysander Mk.III
Post by: SAS~Malone on November 05, 2019, 11:22:53 AM
mmm, it just says 'Emil'....
...oh hang on, it's PK-502, just for clarity. :D
Title: Re: WIP Build: Matchbox 1/32 Lysander Mk.III
Post by: SAS~vampire_pilot on November 05, 2019, 11:29:49 AM
This kit was the second model I ever built as a kid. Have fun.
Title: Re: WIP Build: Matchbox 1/32 Lysander Mk.III
Post by: SAS~CirX on November 05, 2019, 11:59:31 AM
mmm, it just says 'Emil'....
...oh hang on, it's PK-502, just for clarity. :D

They are both PK-502. But one was boxed for Europe, the main and side panel art has no swastikas on the tail, and all instructions on the box is repeated in multiple languages. The decal sheet also lacks the swastikas afaik.

The other boxing was more historically accurate.  :D
Title: Re: WIP Build: Matchbox 1/32 Lysander Mk.III
Post by: SAS~Malone on November 05, 2019, 12:53:22 PM
okay, good to know.
mine has swastikas on the box art and decals, thank goodness.
historical reality beats political correctness any day! :D
Title: Re: WIP Build: Matchbox 1/32 Lysander Mk.III
Post by: SAS~Malone on November 06, 2019, 05:33:49 AM
as usual, when doing deep research on a subject, one tends to stumble across some interesting info.
i found the Mushroom Models Publications book on the Lancaster to be really useful, with some great internal shots - plenty for me to scratch-build! :D
as well as some info on some rather unusual variants and prototypes that were considered, and mostly shelved for various reasons
check these pics out;

(https://i.postimg.cc/2S49TBVP/capture-004-06112019-135750.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

(https://i.postimg.cc/fRT57gQ0/capture-001-06112019-135631.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

(https://i.postimg.cc/fyRj7J6Q/capture-002-06112019-135720.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

(https://i.postimg.cc/26cBDTXg/capture-003-06112019-135739.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

(https://i.postimg.cc/htWQcXp4/capture-006-06112019-135953.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

(https://i.postimg.cc/ZKk6Ksqh/capture-007-06112019-140644.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/z3jyxjWd)

(https://i.postimg.cc/cJTvRXZ6/capture-010-06112019-140746.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

(https://i.postimg.cc/d0W8sqhW/capture-011-06112019-140750.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

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Title: Re: WIP Build: Matchbox 1/32 Lysander Mk.III
Post by: Mission_bug on November 06, 2019, 06:15:15 AM
Great to see you made a start Eugene, and best of all you found the book I have, it really is superb for detailing. 8)

Trouble is you get a little carried away, at least I did with my in game one. :D

(https://i.postimg.cc/BZ8tvtJK/2017-11-05-22-58-23.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/6TXBjW2W)

(https://i.postimg.cc/WbvjP4zj/2017-05-26-20-09-44.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/RqX274wb)

Only took me about six years to build that one, you have been warned. :o

Maybe I should have dug out one of my plastic ones from the stash and left 3d work to others. :P

Wishing you all the very best, Pete. ;D
Title: Re: WIP Build: Matchbox 1/32 Lysander Mk.III
Post by: SAS~Malone on November 08, 2019, 02:51:19 AM
a question -  although i have a lot of pics of the Lysander, I can't seem to find one that definitively shows the exhaust, specifically the end of it. is it open, or does it have some sort of lid/cap over the end?
the piece that comes with the kit is molded closed, and indeed looks shaped as if there is some sort of cover/filter, whatever...

(https://i.postimg.cc/kGb0S9mK/IMG-20191108-113341.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/N2QCh3Lj)
(sorry for focus, my camera is being very stubborn about it)

so i'm not sure yet whether i should be opening this exhaust piece or leaving it as it is.
anyone have any ideas?
some of the pics i've seen look almost as if it's open, others as if closed.
any info, as always, will be welcomed! :D

Title: Re: WIP Build: Matchbox 1/32 Lysander Mk.III
Post by: Forager on November 08, 2019, 05:17:41 AM
Looks like it is open in this video.:

https://youtu.be/yuuASTBtGqM

Of coarse it is a rebuilt example so original may differ.

Title: Re: WIP Build: Matchbox 1/32 Lysander Mk.III
Post by: SAS~Malone on November 08, 2019, 05:35:13 AM
yeah, i think i'm going to open it - i love drilling holes in my kits :D
Title: Re: WIP Build: Matchbox 1/32 Lysander Mk.III
Post by: SAS~Malone on January 16, 2020, 10:11:36 AM
well, no updates yet worthy of any pics - been measuring up and scratch-building extra internal framework detail, some wiring, etc.
once it progresses to the point of actual construction, I'll post up some pic updates.
meanwhile, I just broke my new year's resolution, by getting a little carried away on my last visit to the local hobby shop..
I went in with the intention of buying one kit, and they just happened to be pricing a consignment of kits that another collector put up for sale.
Long story short, I ended up walking out with an armful of kits, which came it an just a tad over the $20 I had intended to spend, lol... :P nevertheless, I reckon I managed to get a GREAT deal - some very nice kits, some of which are pretty hard to find these days... (https://i.postimg.cc/FKfxT4k6/ad55ae27811e225ec221aeea6bf00ea0.jpg) (https://postimages.org/) (https://i.postimg.cc/Jh95g2bz/Rev-Ju52-titel-01.jpg) (https://postimages.org/) (https://i.postimg.cc/1t1styGh/48-airfix-bac-tsr-kit-10105-plus-1-4e97b3c23e9ea4c72cb034953798d.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/LqDrQKQN) (https://i.postimg.cc/ZqHzT653/s-l640.jpg) (https://postimages.org/) (https://i.postimg.cc/d0PNz3RC/04471-LN-01-3167835-Qty1-1.jpg) (https://postimages.org/) (https://i.postimg.cc/MGX9gBNd/vintage-100-flak-38-german-fast-1-ba0b840d94ca9ff095685a7f7f578e.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/PLsbwCtw) these, all for a grand total of around$112. not too shabby!
and with that, I vow not to buy any more kits this year.... :P

see you soon with Lysander updates...
8)
Title: Re: WIP Build: Matchbox 1/32 Lysander Mk.III
Post by: SAS~CirX on January 16, 2020, 10:22:51 AM

meanwhile, I just broke my new year's resolution, by getting a little carried away on my last visit to the local hobby shop..

I know the feeling perfectly! Btw, sweeeet hunter!!! (it does nto show very well on this photo, but it is top shelf, second pile from left, third from top)