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Title: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: SAS~Bombsaway on July 11, 2018, 09:34:54 AM
(https://s19.postimg.cc/5ncjcdgir/2018.07.11_02-52-30.jpg)

I took the liberty of moving this pic to here to show that 101 is working on the Me-264.
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: PO_MAK_249RIP on July 11, 2018, 09:47:40 AM
Very cool
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: bomberkiller on July 11, 2018, 09:59:51 AM
WUNDERBAR!  :)
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: Fresco23 on July 11, 2018, 10:41:09 AM
Wow! A German B-29! Sweet!
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: P51vsFw190 on July 11, 2018, 03:52:28 PM
Thank you Bombs.

Much appreciated.


James
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: -Jäger- on July 11, 2018, 04:59:17 PM
Will he be avaible in next BAT update?
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: max_thehitman on July 11, 2018, 06:21:00 PM

This is one of the most long-awaited German bombers for this flight-sim ! It should have been in this game
from the start (along with the Heinkel-177 "Greif") because the game version title says it all - "IL2-1946".
It´s a German bomber meant for a 1946 air-battle.

This model looks beautiful.  8) It will be a tremendous pleasure to try to fly it one day! Thank you!

I will leave you with some stuff I found about it, for your research into creating this aircraft (lots of pictures + info).

- Messerschmitt Me264 - Amerika Bomber. PDF book
https://uloz.to/!JAj9yRtB/ian-allan-classic-messerschmitt-me264-amerika-bomber-pdf

- http://www.luft46.com/prototyp/me264.html

- http://www.airpages.ru/eng/lw/me264.shtml

-

(http://richard.ferriere.free.fr/3vues/messerschmitt_264_3v.jpg)
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: KingTiger503 on July 11, 2018, 07:59:00 PM
Damn man, it’s been long time since no one makes that bomber, and now this, turn the tide

Well done,

Best Regards KT503
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: dsawan on July 11, 2018, 08:10:31 PM
appears one was made as a beta for cfs 3.

see here:

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php/104378-Me-264-for-CFS3-(flyable)
(https://s33.postimg.cc/g99m341e7/me264.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

(https://s33.postimg.cc/vuqxn3fxb/me264fdd.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

(https://s33.postimg.cc/e4p922hrz/me264g.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

(https://s33.postimg.cc/sb4zxb0cv/me265.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: Hans-Joachim Marseille on July 11, 2018, 09:08:05 PM
Wow! A dream coming true!? Alright then - seems the mapmakers can also start making USA-maps. Something's coming over the Atlantic...- a new chapter written in our game. :)
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: dsawan on July 11, 2018, 09:12:14 PM
Funny, we do have a Cape cod map here so maybe a what-if campaign in future of bombing Boston if the map goes further.
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: SAS~Storebror on July 11, 2018, 10:11:36 PM
a German bomber meant for a 1946 air-battle
Except that it would not have been ready before 1950...

Amerika Bomber
...and would not have come half way, with weapons that is.

]cheers[
Mike
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: Hans-Joachim Marseille on July 12, 2018, 05:56:23 AM
AFAIK there were indeed two prototypes build by the end of the war and testings went on. What came in their way  most negatively though was the lost war...  :P
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: max_thehitman on July 12, 2018, 08:55:05 AM
a German bomber meant for a 1946 air-battle
Except that it would not have been ready before 1950...

Amerika Bomber
...and would not have come half way, with weapons that is.

]cheers[
Mike

Yes, I agree. Most likely it would have not had the chance to do "that job", the Allies would have stopped it.
But  it does have a very interesting history about it. 

Dsawan, do not compare our aircraft to the CFS-3 !
Our airplanes and game looks much cooler  8)
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: PO_MAK_249RIP on July 12, 2018, 09:33:24 AM
If germany had a successful strategic bomber like the Lancaster the outcome could have been very different!
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: SAS~Storebror on July 12, 2018, 09:42:43 AM
What came in their way  most negatively though was the lost war.
it would have not had the chance to do "that job", the Allies would have stopped it.

Fact is the design was never able to meet the expectations.
One of the typical Messerschmitt attempts to gain money from convincing the RLM that he could do wonders.
He couldn't.
The Me 264, if it ever would have been developed into a combat ready plane, would have been able to do some maritime patrol at best.
Mind you: The prototypes with a takeoff weight of 21 tons already weren't capable of providing the promised figures.
With military equipment, the weight would have had to be increased to 43 tons and the range would barely have been enough to visit the Azores from the french coast, that's all.
A wet dream of Mr. Goering, powered by Mr. Messerschmitt, underpinned by nothing more than a concept aircraft which was known never to be able to fulfill any task it was designed for.

Yes it looks sleek.
That's almost as much positive as there is to say about the 264.

Nevertheless such mod would of course be welcome 8)

]cheers[
Mike
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: 101tfs on July 13, 2018, 06:37:48 PM
http://www.mediafire.com/file/qw6r54qdqhcates/264.7z
need slot and java work
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: max_thehitman on July 13, 2018, 09:16:15 PM

http://www.mediafire.com/file/qw6r54qdqhcates/264.7z

need slot and java work


Thank you so much 101tfs !

(https://i.imgur.com/gTSHtJG.jpg)


Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: Hans-Joachim Marseille on July 14, 2018, 03:23:13 AM
Thx! I'm trying this in DBW but it says "B-24..." and no Me-264 can be seen only the B-24. Am I right and this ain't for DBW so far to test!?  :-[
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: KingTiger503 on July 14, 2018, 04:27:56 AM
Thx! I'm trying this and DBW but it says "B-24..." and no Me-264 can be seen only the B-24. Am I right and this ain't for DBW so far to test!?  :-[
it’s under development, it will take 2 or 4 weeks to Complete soo Be Cool,

Best Regards KT503
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: Hans-Joachim Marseille on July 14, 2018, 05:39:07 AM
I am and I was just asking. Thx.  ;)
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: dietz on July 14, 2018, 05:43:16 PM
Nifty!
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: Mixx on July 15, 2018, 12:33:58 PM
Fantastic plane, very beautifully executed model! Bravo
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: ordway on July 16, 2018, 10:19:43 AM
For the good point that the Me-264 bombers lacked  range and carrying capacity at range,

Couldn't the Me-264 have been air-air refueled and reached New York and back?

I think I heard that  an air-air refueling company had actually been started for commercial reasons in the 1930s?  and might have let the Me-264 reach New York and back? (this is hopefully not to hijack the thread but to add to the possibility of the Me-264  reaching New York and back?).



 
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: SAS~Storebror on July 16, 2018, 11:33:05 AM
Couldn't the Me-264 have been air-air refueled and reached New York and back?
Actually this has been discussed in the RLM in 1942, and in 1944 the final conclusion was "Hat keinen Zweck" ("makes no sense") because the necessary methodes, procedures and technics had yet to be developed, which under war conditions just wasn't feasible.

The last plan to carry out attacks at the U.S. East Coast was to make it a one-way mission, with the plane ditching near the coast for to be picked up by a U-Boat which was to be met precisely there.
Figure yourself how much this is based on reality.

]cheers[
Mike
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: 101tfs on July 18, 2018, 05:04:06 AM
http://www.mediafire.com/file/phjzbj77hk8xis1/B-24D-140-CO.rar

Wing & tail mark added
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: PO_MAK_249RIP on July 18, 2018, 10:56:36 PM
Am i right in assuming this uses the B24 slot at the moment?
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: Piotrek1 on July 19, 2018, 08:02:11 AM
Thank you! 101tfs,
everything works (Vp modpack), but I have a small problem with turrets, they do not shoot to me.
(https://s33.postimg.cc/wki34wt5r/2018-07-19_at_13-45-50.png) (https://postimages.org/)

(https://s33.postimg.cc/g9hz8m3tb/2018-07-19_at_13-49-31.png) (https://postimages.org/)
Best regards,
Piotrek
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: KingTiger503 on August 07, 2018, 07:51:12 AM
Nice, it needs 2 weeks or 4 weeks at the Time.
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: tomcat31s on September 25, 2018, 02:07:10 AM
dead project? :(
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: SAS~Storebror on September 25, 2018, 02:08:24 AM
Impatience? :(
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: SAS~GJE52 on September 25, 2018, 04:29:52 AM

This is only his 3rd post ... not a good start IMHO .... if this attitude prevails, he will be lucky if he is able to make any more ....

Not dead, just resting ......  :P

G;
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: Flying H on September 25, 2018, 11:46:00 AM
He wasn´t around in "oleg times" when we got used to "two weeks" as an answer to most questions about when! And we found out that "two weeks" were a very flexible statement! ;D ;D :D
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: KingTiger503 on September 25, 2018, 10:10:09 PM
Have to wait for a Weeks or Months.
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: Hans-Joachim Marseille on September 25, 2018, 10:58:18 PM
Just suggesting(!): Maybe others could take over / assist this project and finish it!? But dunno about the possibility.  :-|
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: SAS~Storebror on September 26, 2018, 12:06:41 AM
Impatience again?
Is there something special scheduled in your flight plan you need the 264 for in the coming weeks?
See?
Just wait a bit. It's being handled here, it's being done well, you just need: P-A-T-I-E-N-C-E.

Oh I forgot: If you want something faster, how about hiring a modder yourself? IIRC I've stated my rates here once... just add 5% p/a on top and you're there.

]cheers[
Mike
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: Hans-Joachim Marseille on September 26, 2018, 01:49:43 AM
Another unfriendly and aggressive response EVEN THOUGH I clearly wrote I was just suggesting!? Which part of that you don't understand!? WHERE did I show impatience or was critisizing sth!? See!? And also why not deleting my posts - like you guys did before some times!? I really wonder why many say that this site is next to being awesome also is a often very unfriendly and aggressive site with cheeky and "teaching" admins!? ...And to you especially: Who do you think you are to tell me what to think or write!? Again: Delete my posts like you did before if you don't like them - OK!? But pls get off my back, man. Ban me if you don't want me - I also said that years before.
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: SAS~Storebror on September 26, 2018, 05:10:39 AM
Not the first time you've stepped over the line.
Strike two for you: Two weeks observer, combined with this public warning: Hold your tongue.

]cheers[
Mike
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: KingTiger503 on September 26, 2018, 07:17:34 PM
Hmmm,

It takes 4 or 6 weeks if they find that bug or it will take 10 weeks if delays.

Soo take your time gents, take your time.

Best Regards KT503
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: maico360 on October 22, 2018, 11:28:37 AM
this plane is awesome, when i try to use it the front wheel is malfunctioning like it is not suported which makes the plane unable to taxi or take off. any idea of the fix. 4.12 bat linebacker is what im running.
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: maico360 on February 11, 2019, 11:22:59 PM
Is this project dead, yes?
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: SAS~Storebror on February 11, 2019, 11:31:31 PM
101tfs is still around.
Things take time.
Especially big things like this.

]cheers[
Mike
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: KingTiger503 on May 15, 2019, 07:48:40 AM
Any news for this Thing,
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: SAS~GJE52 on May 15, 2019, 10:03:21 AM

"This thing" as you call it  will be ready when it is ready ... or not ... who knows....

either way I am sure you will find out when that happens .......  even if you have lost your posting privileges by that time  ;) if you get my drift  :P :P

G;
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: jt189 on May 15, 2019, 01:48:50 PM
Impatience again?
Is there something special scheduled in your flight plan you need the 264 for in the coming weeks?
See?
Just wait a bit. It's being handled here, it's being done well, you just need: P-A-T-I-E-N-C-E.

Oh I forgot: If you want something faster, how about hiring a modder yourself? IIRC I've stated my rates here once... just add 5% p/a on top and you're there.

]cheers[
Mike
Storebror
getting old your almost polite in your rebuke
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: bomberkiller on May 21, 2019, 02:15:19 AM
Quote
Storebror
getting old your almost polite in your rebuke

Don't attack a man from the german IL-2-connection!

Gerhard
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: jt189 on May 25, 2019, 06:39:34 AM
Quote
Storebror
getting old your almost polite in your rebuke

Don't attack a man from the german IL-2-connection!

Gerhard
What attack stating fact
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: SAS~Storebror on May 25, 2019, 09:21:00 AM
Be friends or I'll eat both of you, cold and without beer or mustard :P
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: jt189 on May 25, 2019, 09:50:17 AM
Be friends or I'll eat both of you, cold and without beer or mustard :P
what no beer or mustard the shame o_O ;D ;D
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: SAS~Bombsaway on May 25, 2019, 10:07:11 AM
Work is going on. Two weeks to be sure. :)
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: SAS~vampire_pilot on May 25, 2019, 01:33:17 PM
no
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: SAS~GJE52 on May 25, 2019, 02:56:18 PM


Quote
pregunta,existe para descargar el me 264?

or .... question, is there to download me 264?


¿Entiendes lo que significa la frase "WIP"?
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: maico360 on May 31, 2019, 01:43:41 PM
Is this plane part of a bigger plane mod, I see a lot more 6 engine bombers being worked on.
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: SAS~GJE52 on June 01, 2019, 03:59:37 AM
How much bigger do you want .... .?
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: Dimlee on June 01, 2019, 05:55:48 AM
How much bigger do you want .... .?

Up to the Spruce Goose?
 :P
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: P51vsFw190 on June 06, 2019, 09:12:52 AM
It doesn’t really hinge on what we want. It hinges on what the modder decides.
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: KingTiger503 on July 16, 2019, 06:59:16 AM
Is this plane part of a bigger plane mod, I see a lot more 6 engine bombers being worked on.
that 6 Engine he was Talking about, its a Me-264/6m or An Unofficial Name Me-364, I seen it on Luft46,
if you Details I link this if you Interest it http://www.luft46.com/prototyp/me264.html


Best Regards KT503
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: KingTiger503 on November 20, 2019, 08:29:46 AM
Any News for Me-264 thanks.

Best Regards KT503
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: SAS~Storebror on November 20, 2019, 08:35:53 AM
Yes.
Just talked to 101tfs about it yesterday.
Looks like there has been no progress on this plane since the unslotted release in this thread, so I'm gonna take it under my wings.

]cheers[
Mike
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: KingTiger503 on November 20, 2019, 08:51:53 AM
What will Happen if you take it under your wings.?


Best Regards KT503
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: SAS~Storebror on November 20, 2019, 09:02:12 AM
The same as what happened when I took the Fugaku under my wings ;)
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: SAS~Bombsaway on November 20, 2019, 09:56:33 AM
Thanks Mike for picking this one up.
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: tomcat31s on December 24, 2019, 04:49:09 PM
any news? ;)
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: 101tfs on December 24, 2019, 11:23:36 PM
(https://ss1.bdstatic.com/70cFuXSh_Q1YnxGkpoWK1HF6hhy/it/u=2802388276,1858206125&fm=26&gp=0.jpg)
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: SAS~Storebror on December 25, 2019, 12:14:16 AM
News - it depends.
So far I've investigated the current status of the plane again (I've been out of this mod's development for more than a year).
There's still some way to go and other projects (namely Ultrapack 3.3 Patch 5/6 and a few assisting tasks for the BAT dev team) had priority over this mod.
When I'm back in business around mid January, some more BAT assistance is scheduled already, so currently I'm planning to start working on this one at the beginning of February probably.

]cheers[
Mike
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: SAS~Storebror on January 14, 2020, 06:47:27 AM
1st time in it's own slot:

(https://i.ibb.co/XbZcVBm/2020-01-14-13-46-14.jpg)

]cheers[
Mike
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: KingTiger503 on January 14, 2020, 07:51:17 AM
Nice one mike, But what about other Me-264 Varieties, like Me-264/6m (Me-364)

Keep it up.


Best Regards KT503
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: barber on January 14, 2020, 07:54:44 AM
Bravo Mike!

Cheers
Barber
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: SAS~Storebror on January 14, 2020, 07:56:37 AM
what about other Me-264 Varieties
Not my business, at least not right now.
One thing at a time.

]cheers[
Mike
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: SAS~Storebror on January 16, 2020, 05:49:35 AM
We have legs (and one moving turret, too).

(https://i.ibb.co/jDKstFF/2020-01-16-12-47-52.jpg)

]cheers[
Mike
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: asheshouse on January 16, 2020, 05:53:33 AM
Impressive.
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: KingTiger503 on January 16, 2020, 08:01:24 AM
Nice one Mike, But What about the Loadouts.
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: SAS~Storebror on January 16, 2020, 08:14:21 AM
Flying Saucer drones, laserguns and Sauerkraut cannons, as usual.

Waddayawannasay KT?

]cheers[
Mike
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: [FAC]Ghost129er on January 16, 2020, 08:17:25 AM
Flying Saucer drones, laserguns and Sauerkraut cannons, as usual.

Waddayawannasay KT?

Neat. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BI8O8PiMtg)
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: KingTiger503 on January 16, 2020, 09:17:57 AM
Just WW2 Bombs Anti-ship Missile and torpedos or A-Bomb as What if.


Waddayawannasay mike.

 ]laughing4] ]laughing4] ]laughing4] ]laughing4] ]laughing4]


Best Regards KT503
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: Piotrek1 on January 16, 2020, 01:53:39 PM
Great job, Mike, the whole thing looks very cool 8).
I can't wait to try out the Sauerkraut cannons ;D and other interesting things  ;).
I am not surprised that this weapon exists after all, everyone has probably heard about Wunderwaffe o_O :)).
Best Regards,
Piotrek
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: SAS~Storebror on January 17, 2020, 08:03:18 AM
Turrets are working, gear animation is working, suspension has been implemented as well, slowly starting with ordnance now.

(https://i.ibb.co/vz47YVk/2020-01-17-15-01-41.jpg)

]cheers[
Mike
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: Kelso on January 17, 2020, 08:15:51 AM
I see that African air has restored enthusiasm for modding  ;D. Bravo!
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: KingTiger503 on January 17, 2020, 10:35:15 PM
Nice one Mike, Nice.

I wanna See in Action. Till Release,


Nice one,


Best Regards KT503
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: SAS~Storebror on January 18, 2020, 08:52:28 AM
Here is some live testing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cNVgDZ17AA

Note that a few things you see are not final yet, like engine exhaust smoke and nose gear cover animation for instance.

]cheers[
Mike
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: Robyfongaro on January 18, 2020, 09:30:22 AM
That cockpit looks amaizing  ]cheers[
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: [FAC]Ghost129er on January 18, 2020, 09:33:06 AM
The first few seconds are the reason why I want to lose weight. :))

Amazing job on that suspension, is it Java related like the B-25 or some other magic?
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: SAS~Storebror on January 18, 2020, 09:58:34 AM
The cockpit is borrowed from the Heinkel 177, with a few levers and needles added for the different engine layout.
It doesn't match the real 264 cockpit layout, but it's the closest we get at the moment.

Suspension animation is a Java thing, but also depending on suitable 3D layout of gears.

]cheers[
Mike
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: Robyfongaro on January 18, 2020, 10:24:57 AM
May I suggest, if possible, to make the cockpit as close as possible to the original, to move the instruments in front of the pilot to the middle.

This was the original btw
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a2/a6/b1/a2a6b1aeaef59545a8931b43d717a214.jpg)
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: SAS~Storebror on January 18, 2020, 10:52:05 AM
You can suggest whatever you want, but unless some 3D modder volunteers to create such a cockpit from scratch, and unless you want to wait another 2 years for this plane:
No.
Take it or leave it.

]cheers[
Mike
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: SAS~Storebror on January 18, 2020, 11:05:44 AM
88 x SC-70 (5 tons bomb load, sorry for the "88", no pun intended) bomb drop test:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca5xCfsDvXI

The front gear door animation and engine exhaust smoke issues are fixed meanwhile, just saying.

]cheers[
Mike
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: Geschirrspülmaschine19 on January 18, 2020, 12:36:16 PM
Awesome!!! Good call on the He-177 cockpit.
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: KingTiger503 on January 18, 2020, 07:20:09 PM
You Need a RATO for Takeoff Speed Mike,


Best Regards KT503
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: SAS~Storebror on January 19, 2020, 01:15:49 AM
So far the plane is doing fine without RATO.
There have been plans for adding RATO boost in real life, but then again there have been all kind of strange plans with this plane.
Time will tell.
Once the flight model has been finished, we will see if RATO is needed or not.

]cheers[
Mike
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: Knochenlutscher on January 19, 2020, 02:11:36 AM
Wow, exciting news
Best wishes
Tobias
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: SAS~Storebror on January 20, 2020, 11:02:42 AM
Preliminary loadouts are:


There will probably be "stripped down" loadouts of smaller bomb types available too (less weight = higher potential range), like 9xSC-250 for instance.

]cheers[
Mike
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: Piotrek1 on January 20, 2020, 11:54:24 AM
Nice work, Mike, Heisenberg Device is exactly what we need 8).

Best regards,
Piotrek
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: P51vsFw190 on January 20, 2020, 02:08:13 PM
Great!

Now I can destroy Washington D.C.
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: Mission_bug on January 20, 2020, 02:21:23 PM
What this old game lacks in visuals it certainly makes up for with awesome content, that is one hell of a aircraft, excellent work. 8)


Wishing you all the very best, Pete. ;D
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: Mixx on January 20, 2020, 05:59:17 PM
Excellent progress in the development of the Me-264. Thanks to the authors for their hard work!
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: KingTiger503 on January 20, 2020, 06:12:09 PM
Aahhhh, back in the Man in the high castle.

Nice one mike.


Best Regards KT503
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: DONAGHY on January 21, 2020, 03:14:25 AM
many thanks to all involed s all
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: SAS~Storebror on January 21, 2020, 09:27:50 AM
The Heisenberg device will come in two versions, one is a free fall bomb, the other one comes with a drogue parachute.
Just saying ;)

(https://i.ibb.co/6RhR6BT/2020-01-21-16-24-45.jpg)

Bomb 3D model shamelessly borrowed from Dreamk's Israel "200lInc_type200" bomb (https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,55355.0.html).

]cheers[
Mike
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: Piotrek1 on January 21, 2020, 10:39:18 AM
with this drawing and inscription looks fantastic. 8)
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: Flanker27 on January 21, 2020, 10:43:06 AM
would it have been equipped with things like the Fritz X or other glide bombs?
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: SAS~Storebror on January 21, 2020, 10:44:04 AM
Probably not.
But we're in a grey area here, as it's what if anyway.

]cheers[
Mike
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: Flanker27 on January 21, 2020, 10:45:44 AM
whats the defensive armament? 20mm?
 
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: SAS~Storebror on January 21, 2020, 11:48:22 AM
One manned turret with MG151/20 plus 3 remote controlled turrets with 2x MG131 each.
Each gun has 1000 rounds available.

]cheers[
Mike
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: KingTiger503 on January 21, 2020, 08:56:33 PM
4x Engine are BMW 801D or G with MW 50 boost for Me-264,

Going boost it up for Higher for this one,


Best Regards KT503
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: SAS~Storebror on January 21, 2020, 11:30:25 PM
MW-50 boost has never been an option for the 264.
It doesn't make sense to use MW-50 on a high altitude bomber since MW-50 only works up to full rated altitude of a given engine.
What's been proposed was the use of GM-1 (NOx injection) which would boost performance above rated altitude for about 25 minutes, however tests showed that there was no reasonable effect when using GM-1 on BMW 801 engines - even though it worked perfectly well on inline engines like DB 605 or DB 603. The germans never managed to wrap their heads around this issue. In the end it's been a simple thermal load issue of the 801 piston banks, but that's a different story...

Fact is the prototypes used various BMW 801 G-2 engines (where the G-2 is essentially a D-2 engine like it's been in use on 190s, just with a different reduction gear for larger bomber props).
The last 801 engine type fitted to Me 264 prototypes was the BMW 801 MG-2 / TC-1 ("M" for "Motoranlage", a complete engine set for bombers including some accessory installations, "G-2" is the engine type, "TC-1" is the technical upgrade status of the engine).

All proposals for the final Me 264 with 4x BMW 801 engines used the BMW 801 E engine, which is essentially a BMW G with different supercharger gear, giving a slightly higher output of 2000hp rated.
That's what we will use on this what-if mod too.

Performance figures from BMW promised some 600kph top speed @10km altitude.
Probably real life figures would be below that promised value, so we'll try to settle somewhere in the 590kph range.

]cheers[
Mike
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: SAS~Storebror on January 22, 2020, 06:43:30 AM
Time for an updated loadouts list:


Each of the loadouts is available with optional rato boost (6x Walter Starthilferakete) too.

]cheers[
Mike
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: SAS~Storebror on January 22, 2020, 08:59:43 AM
A few more teaser images:

(https://i.ibb.co/HDLfn1V/2020-01-22-15-50-50.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/Y3SPjLv/2020-01-22-15-51-54.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/LCqRDwM/2020-01-22-15-52-24.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/j61pLR7/2020-01-22-15-52-48.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/bNxGPCM/2020-01-22-15-54-55.jpg)

]cheers[
Mike
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: urmel on January 22, 2020, 09:02:32 AM
Great aircraft!!!
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: whistler on January 22, 2020, 09:14:36 AM
She looks fantastic! And Sie looks... :D what is Sie saying?
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: SAS~Storebror on January 22, 2020, 09:24:11 AM
Angie? Nothing.
The sign on the back says "Alles Verboten!! § 1 Reichs-Straf-Gesetzbuch" which translates to "Everything is prohibited!! § 1 Imperial Criminal Code", a reminiscence to my stance on german lifestyle vs. south african: In germany, anything that is not explicitly allowed is forbidden.

]cheers[
Mike
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: Piotrek1 on January 22, 2020, 09:47:39 AM
Congratulations Mike, well done 8),
the RATO system will be very useful at high loads,
P.s ... this sad face on a bomb, I've seen it somewhere :D.

Best regards,
Piotrek
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: KingTiger503 on January 23, 2020, 04:48:41 AM
What if, we can Add one or two Fritz-X on Me-264, it’s useful to kill that Carrier in one Shot.

I can’t wait for this one.


Best Regards KT503
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: SAS~Storebror on January 24, 2020, 07:06:44 AM
The simple answer for the Fritz-X is: It doesn't fit into the bomb bay.
May sound strange, but that's what it is.
The "X" style wings either collide with the bay's ceiling, or with the rotating bay doors underneath.
There's just no sufficient vertical clearance at the full span of Fritz-X's wings.

]cheers[
Mike
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: KingTiger503 on January 24, 2020, 07:26:32 AM
Look to the Link if you find interesting

http://www.luft46.com/prototyp/me264.html


Best Regards KT503
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: SAS~Storebror on January 24, 2020, 07:40:46 AM
Thanks KT but all these sites disqualify themselves with one or the other statement.
For instance this one:
Quote
Beginning with the V4 model, it was planned to use four high performance BMW 801 E engines with turbochargers and GM-1 boost system.
Yeah... well... indeed, at the design stage of the Me-264, performance trials of the BMW 801 engines were yet unfinished, which is why Messerschmitt considered adding GM-1 boost to these engines at all.
What this site "forgets" to mention in case of GM-1 is that there's been a trade when having GM-1 on that plane: It would have to be carried in the bomb bay!
Which means: No (or no useful) bombload was possible when the plane was equipped with GM-1.
Which in turn was the reason why this option was considered for reconnaissance versions of the Me-264 at later stage only, and once the data from BMW 801 performance trials was available, it has been dropped completely.

Rather than sweeping across random internet sites with questionable sources, I prefer diving into well researched books.
In this case, "Messerschmitt Me 264 - Amerika Bomber - The Luftwaffe's Lost Transatlantic Bomber" by Robert Forsyth and Eddie J. Creek, produced by Chevron Publishing Limited, printed in England by Ian Allan Printing Ltd, Hersham, Surrey KT1 2 4RG, first published 2006, ISBN 1-903223-65-2.
Alongside with this, a few times I check figures against what's to be found in "Waffen Arsenal Band 139 - Deutsche Fernkampfflugzeuge der Luftwaffe" by Manfred Griehl and Joachim Dressel, Podzun-Pallas-Verlag 1993, ISBN 3-7909-0450-3.

Time for another screenshot.
This is damage model testing. As you can tell from the turret positions, this poor Me-264 was pretty busy defending itself:
(https://i.ibb.co/WfGzhHV/2020-01-24-14-27-05.jpg)

]cheers[
Mike
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: KingTiger503 on January 24, 2020, 08:06:57 AM
Thanks mike, I hope you find interesting more about the Amerika Bomber Program.


Best Regards KT503
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: jpten on January 24, 2020, 10:17:22 AM
Looking good, (cough) need New York map(cough), good plan to rely on best factual data.
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: asheshouse on January 25, 2020, 01:11:23 PM
Looking very good.
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: SAS~Storebror on January 26, 2020, 04:05:46 AM
1st Beta has been sent back to 101tfs for testing, now it's time get base game cross version compatibility issues solved.
And it's time for some more teaser screenshots of course :D

(https://i.ibb.co/0CTqpmp/2020-01-26-11-02-25.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/q5XbfmF/2020-01-26-11-03-07.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/Y3Lvdwx/2020-01-26-11-03-45.jpg)

]cheers[
Mike
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: urmel on January 26, 2020, 04:13:28 AM
It looks very good!!!
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: DONAGHY on January 26, 2020, 05:13:13 AM
great work mike s all involed
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: sturmbock on January 27, 2020, 05:07:39 AM
Yes, truly impressive!
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: Knochenlutscher on January 27, 2020, 05:11:25 AM
Nice, teasing shots

Kind regards
Tobias
Title: Re: 101tfs's Me-264
Post by: TeamFlyingAce162 on January 27, 2020, 10:41:15 AM
But will is carry the Team Dildo missile?  :)

Still, appreciate the work; always open to more heavies