# Special Aircraft Service

## the SAS Hangar => The Lounge => Plastix => Topic started by: Forager on July 21, 2017, 02:00:41 PM

Title: Plastix needs a boost.
Post by: Forager on July 21, 2017, 02:00:41 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/DGSsbXl.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/RKlnY3s.jpg)
(I am going to redo that canopy.)

I really like B 25s.
(http://i.imgur.com/6NNlPkd.jpg)

And B17s.
(http://i.imgur.com/9Qmk3gu.jpg)

I have dusted since this pic.
(http://i.imgur.com/slkSmBT.jpg)

Some Axis stuff
(http://i.imgur.com/ipUufXZ.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/fOqdz5g.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/inY59ab.jpg)

Some not:
(http://i.imgur.com/JewiE8e.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/1RFzxeH.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/bYPpKh5.jpg)

Why we are at this place:
(http://i.imgur.com/wuH5RjO.jpg)
Title: Re: Plastix needs a boost.
Post by: Koty on July 21, 2017, 02:41:26 PM
Those are lovely
Title: Re: Plastix needs a boost.
Post by: NIGHTFIGHTER on July 24, 2017, 03:38:23 AM
Great collection! Love your second JU-88 great camo work on that.....Well Done
Title: Re: Plastix needs a boost.
Post by: Forager on July 24, 2017, 09:38:36 AM
Thanks for looking and for the comments guys.
Camouflage and weathering are a big part of the fascination I have had with WWII planes and the explosion of wartime pictures on the internet have added fuel to the fire.

I have, in the past, built a lot of 1 type:
(http://i.imgur.com/dRj81FS.jpg)
That picture is from 1999, my first real herd of planes.

2015 herd is around 15 of these:
(http://i.imgur.com/08Vep8U.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/yLtTvcd.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/6VmDbC3.jpg)

2016 herd is 6 of these:
(http://i.imgur.com/heiSOMn.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/LoYEKSb.jpg)

2017 herd will be 12 more of these:
(http://i.imgur.com/OBBJRzr.jpg)

Eight more P39 Airacobras, 4 more P40s plus several rehabs of built ones and a bunch of Allied and Axis ground vehicles in the same 1/48th scale.

I guess I should be building instead of talking, eh?

Title: Re: Plastix needs a boost.
Post by: Forager on August 17, 2017, 10:04:19 PM
Crappy picture but the factory is open.
I had forgot how there is actually no easy P38 in 1/48th scale.
Those below are 1 Academy and 5 Minicraft, basically the same molds and poor fitting parts, not quickly done.
The oldest P38s, Monogram, now Revell  are somewhat dated with raised panel lines but still acceptable for me.
The others, Hasgawa, etc are just too expensive and not all that great according to reviews.
Cheap is good for my type of hobby.

(http://i.imgur.com/U1M77lX.jpg)
Title: Re: Plastix needs a boost.
Post by: Forager on August 25, 2017, 12:42:31 PM
Small P38 update, lots to do still.
(http://i.imgur.com/UOU0MbA.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/5LcXaqo.jpg)

Rare natural metal P39, served at Guadalcanal in 1944.
(http://i.imgur.com/wg3ONkz.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/fWpienU.jpg)

Title: Re: Plastix needs a boost.
Post by: Ivan-le-Rouge on August 26, 2017, 03:48:59 AM
Impressive collection. Have have paint some model years ago but I am not very skilled for that (in fact not skilled at all in modelling!)
Title: Re: Plastix needs a boost.
Post by: Forager on August 26, 2017, 08:25:49 AM
Thanks Ivan, my model building is strictly for enjoyment, they might look ok from a distance but close ups show all the areas needing more attention.

Modeling is just like flight simming, there are rivet counters who buy a $30 kit and spend$100 more on after market add ons and casuals like me who do not.
I do buy extra decals though.

Building plastic models seems to be an activity for young and old, those in the middle stop to deal with real life, women, work, kids, etc.

Now kids are mainly occupied by the 6 square inch screen in their hands so other activities, such as looking up, are fading from human life. :)

Here is a before and after.
I never used to clear cote canopies and have many like this:
(http://i.imgur.com/sKRz4aa.jpg)

Pop them off, clean with soap and water, spray with clear cote and voila, see the crappy interior job. :)
(http://i.imgur.com/E8I6LRz.jpg)

Title: Re: Plastix needs a boost.
Post by: Jimbo947 on August 26, 2017, 08:43:29 AM
Excellent model making and painting.  I used to build a lot of Airfix,Revell and Monogram...1/72.1/48.1/32 and the Revell scaled to fit to box in the late 60,s early 70,s

I tried to get the grand kids interested in this, but has,nt it got very expensive!

Series 1 Airfix in the 1960,s cost same as a pint of Beer.....2  shillings...ie 12 1/2 pence..

Now Airfix Series 1, using the same ancient  moulds and newer issueof  aircraft are costing @£10  or more...

As  I work out inflation on the Beer standard ... That,s now  4 pints of beer.

Granted the kits are super, super detailed but to get new folk interested they need to be cheaper
Title: Re: Plastix needs a boost.
Post by: Forager on August 31, 2017, 11:03:04 PM
Thanks Jimbo947, sorry for late response, internet down from the flooding till today.

We have a bayou 50 feet behind our house and it got to our back door but not in.
Some neighbors not so lucky and tens of thousands of people in the area have lost everything, sad times for all of southeast TX and parts of Louisiana.

Title: Re: Plastix needs a boost.
Post by: Jimbo947 on September 02, 2017, 02:32:47 AM
Should have converted my inflation theory to Dollars...
You guys must be getting it tough......
Global Warming or just sheer bad luck??....
Fortunately I live on pretty high ground
Hope the floods start receding and there ain,t any more hurricanes heading your way
Title: Re: Plastix needs a boost.
Post by: Jimbo947 on November 18, 2017, 08:15:42 AM
Odd that I like Flight Sims and Flying... and regularly experience Ryanair,s White Knuckle Landings.. I think they come the closest to what an Aircraft Carrier Landing is like... Anyhow

I do some plastic modelling to get the grand kids interested and away from endlessly thumbing through their mobiles... so far with not much success...It takes ages they moan. :-X

Anyhow,s, my main interested is wooden ship and transport kits and although they  seem expensive I can,t seem to justify £20/$30/23 euros on a 1/72 aircraft ,no matter how detailed... A wooden ship takes me about a year...I can build a 1/72 aircraft in less than a week.. 50 Aircraft a year..expensive. Here,s a panorama of about 9 years work...A couple need a bit of T.L.C (https://s33.postimg.cc/k70jrorn3/image.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/a9piymk17/) (https://s33.postimg.cc/og59ty2n3/2017-11-18_14.38.33.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/48ru1n55n/) (https://s33.postimg.cc/xnxiaqp5r/image.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/8unya3657/) Title: Re: Plastix needs a boost. Post by: nyali on November 19, 2017, 07:09:22 AM @ Jimbo - is that a working steam traction engine ? If so I have a couple of those [ a car and road roller ] tucked away in their 'original' boxes from the 1970's Title: Re: Plastix needs a boost. Post by: Forager on November 19, 2017, 07:25:02 AM Those ships are great and same for the transport vehicles. Ships, especially sailing ships, are way beyond my patience level. All that rigging looks great but a real pain to make it so. Can you post a close up of the trolleys? You're right on the cost, plastic planes cost too much. I search ebay for deals and they are there but it is pretty much luck to stumble across them. The prices there are all over the map, sometimes 20 or 30 dollars price difference for same model. I try to keep the 1/48 Monogram bombers(B 17, B 24) under$35 mediums around $25 and all others under$20.

I just bought 5 AMT/ERTL P40F Warhawks for $50 as a package deal. No more P40s for me, there are now 9 waiting. The P38s above are not yet done, I really hate painting canopies. Title: Re: Plastix needs a boost. Post by: Jimbo947 on November 20, 2017, 03:49:14 PM @ Jimbo - is that a working steam traction engine ? If so I have a couple of those [ a car and road roller ] tucked away in their 'original' boxes from the 1970's Wish it was...It,s a Bandai 1/16 Scale Plastic kit " Pendle Princess" I made it (must be 40 years ago) when it first came out... 1978 I think Title: Re: Plastix needs a boost. Post by: Jimbo947 on November 23, 2017, 03:22:07 AM Those ships are great and same for the transport vehicles. Ships, especially sailing ships, are way beyond my patience level. All that rigging looks great but a real pain to make it so. Can you post a close up of the trolleys? You're right on the cost, plastic planes cost too much. I search ebay for deals and they are there but it is pretty much luck to stumble across them. The prices there are all over the map, sometimes 20 or 30 dollars price difference for same model. I try to keep the 1/48 Monogram bombers(B 17, B 24) under$35 mediums around $25 and all others under$20.

I just bought 5 AMT/ERTL P40F Warhawks for \$50 as a package deal.
No more P40s for me, there are now 9 waiting.

The P38s above are not yet done, I really hate painting canopies.

Old Occre wooden kits from @2005...Scale is 1/16 if I remember and are about 90% wood construction.. They look better from a distance
(https://s2.postimg.cc/6j2653t2x/image.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

(https://s2.postimg.cc/yj69pereh/image.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Title: Re: Plastix needs a boost.
Post by: Jimbo947 on November 24, 2017, 03:45:37 AM
I recall something I read ages ago from 80,s/90,s last Century.

Airfix, Revell etc were starting to produce their kits using Copper Beryllium moulds to give a higher standard of detail.. i.e engraved panel lines which were difficult to do with tool steel and the spark erosion process. Unfortunately ,I think the use of Copper Beryllium was banned in Europe due to it,s high toxicity.

As I recall, production was then  moved to the Far Eastern countries where I think Health and Safety Standards were lower

Another factor in the cost is that The Copper Beryllium moulds are made using stamping or pressing as the alloy is fairly "soft" compared to Tool Steel.

Being softer, they are not as durable and when the components are out of tolerance , the mould is scrapped, re-melted whatever and a new one made as they are not able to be re-machined. Expensive

So I may have been a bit harsh on the cost of plastic kits...Maybe a manufacturer would like to pitch in???
Title: Re: Plastix needs a boost.
Post by: VonWaffen on March 22, 2018, 08:18:32 PM
wow nice stuff :)