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Individual Mods and Packs for IL-2 1946 => Aircraft => WWI => Topic started by: Dreamk on March 21, 2013, 02:18:42 PM

Title: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: Dreamk on March 21, 2013, 02:18:42 PM: I have had for a long time the feeling that the growing fleet of ww1 aircraft demanded suitable weapons implementa. the fact that its origin was in Frankenplanes resulted in some strange combinations of "ww1-era-looking" planes with at best ww2 guns and bombs, and at worst some strange guns with "interesting" characteristics - so I took myself by the hand, and made some research to find the details of guns, ammo, and bombs. It was not really easy but at last here's the
result: a ww1 weapons pack with 22 guns and 147 bombs (Austro Hungary: 13, UK: 20, France 40, Germany: 29, Italy: 12, Russia: 16, USA: 17)

I also made the suitable java and meshes updates for the ww1 planes already released so you can copy thes update and use this pack without headache. (I didnt not update the initial franken planes are they are too much "unhistorical" but I included update for 3 planes not released to public but as beta to limited forum)

I included in this pack the Le Prieur Rockets by AMT team released with the Camel and the Cooper bomb rack released with the Snipe.

Except for 4 bombs, I succeeded to find detailed trustable drawings with dimensions, weight (and for almost all of them the weight of the explosive and its nature). Remember that some bombs did change, sometimes drastically, along the years while keeping the same name. Most changes occurred in 1918, 1919 and after 1920 - for instance Interwar period French bombs 50kg type A and 10kg PA are different from the same name ww1 bombs. German PuW did evolve throughout the ww1. Another case is Poland - it used late ww1 PuW but also PuW developped in Germany in 1919-21 (German armament industry did continue to function after the armistice !) and also produced its own PuW and even developped original PuW models (5kg and 75 kg for instance)

Remember that most ww1 bombs were under 10kg and with results in accordance - not to speak of the lack of suitable doctrine for the use of air bombs till 1917.

Color of bombs remain an issue - that may be unsolvable in some cases - I went according to information written during ww1 or immediatly after, and used photographs as base in some case - but we all know the problems of the chromatic black and white used before the mid 20s (yellow appears black and such...).
Once again, keep in mind that colors and markings of bombs during the war period were different from 1919 onwards colors and markings (see US bombs for instance).

BTW these bombs bitmaps really need to be improved to look more "metallic" - the forum artists are kindly invited to take a hand in this task :)

Guns - I succeeded to find the data of guns and their corresponding ammo used in the ww1 period.

BTW I discovered that the caliber variable issue that so troubled other modders is a matter of fact a false issue - Il2 uses a polynomial equation for this variable (general equation ~ x2/10 - x + 3.6227). Under 20mm this equation curve is almost linear. The adjustments made to individual values under 20mm to "increase

realism" are dwarfed by the magnitude or the error originating in that fact that the data used are from machine guns firing in horizontal fire on land shooting range and

not in a 3D spatial setting - to explain more easily, the Hotchkiss 13.2 of the interwar period when used as a land weapon had a wonderful effective range of more

than 2500m but as a AA weapon of only 1600m. The most important thing in modelling guns in Il2 is to keep internal coherence with the other guns in the game - thisi

has been done for the guns in this pack, and these guns are also coherent with Il2-core weapons in the same range (under 20mm).

ok so here they are:
Download links

ww1BombsAndGuns.rar
~~https://www.mediafire.com/?m5gigeers9u9jh7~~
Updated April 22, 2013 with additional guns
https://www.mediafire.com/?m3eqgcz3k3khq7e

ww1 planes armament upgrade.rar
https://www.mediafire.com/?wqbg209rodmplp5

UPDATE
This pack is for SAS Modact with own slot planes
For DBW1916 Vpmedia has made a pack for making DBW1916 installation easier: here it is:
[included in DBW-1916]

After installing the plane updates - always check that the names of the mods folders are the same- , delete the cod and arms subfolders insid these planes folders - if not you'll get entries doubled in the arming screen (just unesthetic - it will not cause other troubles)

(https://www.sas1946.rocks/images/imageshit/a/img189/3039/zeppelinm.jpg)

Bombs:
Austro-Hungary
BrandPfiel 1kg
Skoda 10kg
Skoda 15kg
Skoda 20kg
Skoda 50kg
TNB 25kg
TNB 60kg
TVB 25kg
Traisen Brand 10kg
Traisen Rauch 14kg
Wollersdorf 12kg Incendiary
Wollersdorf 18kg
Wollersdorf 40kg

UK:
Coopers 20lbs MkI
Hales 10lbs
RAF 520lbs MkI
RAF 550lbs MkI
RL 16lbs
RL 50lbs
RL 65lbs
RL 100lbs
RL 112lbs MkV
RL 112lbs MkVII
RL 230lbs RFC
RL 230lbs RNAS
RL 250lbs MkI
Rl 250lbs MkII
RL 336lbs Long
RL 336lbs Short
RL 520lbs MkI
RL 550lbs MkI
RLSN1650lbs MkI
RLSN1650lbs MkII

France:
Aasen Type 1
10kg Type M 1918
10kg Type P 1918
10kg Type PA 1918 with Fuze for Vertical Suspension
10kg Type PA 1918 with Fuze for Horizontal Suspension
50kg Type A 1918
50kg Type DT 1918
100kg Mle 1918
Incendiary CD "Chanard"
Incendiary DV
Gros-Andreau 122mm (Anilite)
Gros-Andreau 155mm (Anilite)
Gros-Andreau 200mm (Anilite)
Gros-Andreau 122mm (MMN)
Gros-Andreau 200mm (MMN)
Le Prieur Rocket
Michelin 75mm Canton Unne Fuze
Michelin 75mm Michelin Fuze
Michelin 115mm
Michelin 115mm Long
Michelin 120mm Incendiary Canton Unne Fuze
Michelin 120mm Incendiary Michelin Fuze
Michelin 155mm
Michelin 155mm Bis
Michelin Flare VM1
Obus75mm Type A
Obus75mm Type C (Canton Unne Fuze)
Obus75mm Type M (Michelin Fuze)
Obus 80mm
Obus 90mm
Obus 90mm Frag
Obus 90mm JL Incendiary
Obus 90mm "moule" late
Obus 90mm "moule" early
Obus 155mm
Obus 155mm (late production - natural metal)
Obus 155mm "Penetration"
Obus 200mm
Obus 268mm
Obus 268mm (post-war yellow paint)

Germany:
APK 125mm spherical
APK 320mm spherical
Carbonit 5kg Frag
Carbonit 5kg Incendiary
Carbonit 10kg for vertical racks
Carbonit 10kg for horizontal racks
Carbonit 10kg Incendiary
Carbonit 20kg for vertical racks
Carbonit 20kg for horizontal racks
Carbonit 50kg
Carbonit 100kg
Carbonit 300kg
Explosive Bomb 3kg pear shaped
Explosive Bomb 4.5kg spherical
Explosive Bomb 21 kg cylindrical
Goldschmidt 10kg incendiary
Stielhandgranate M17
Stielhandgranate M17 Pack 6+1
PuW 10kg Incendiary
PuW 12.5kg Frag
PuW 12.5kg Sturm Frag
PuW 12.5 kg Night Frag
PuW 50kg
PuW 100kg
PuW 300kg
PuW 1000kg
"Tar and Rope" Incendiary Type 1
"Tar and Rope" Incendiary Type 2
Wurfgranate 15

Italy:
100mm sperical
130mm spherical
Granata Incendiaria 162mm
Granata Mina 162mm
Granata Torpedina 162mm
Granata Mina 179mm
Granata Torpedina 200mm
Granata Mina 240mm
Granata Mina 260mm Tipo1
Granata Mina 260mm Tipo2
Granata Mina 260mm Tipo3
400mm Anti-Submarine spherical

Russia:
1 Pud M1914
1 Pud M1915 Frag
1 Pud M1916
2 Pud M1914
2 Pud M1915 Frag
3 Pud M1914
5 Pud M1915
10 Pud M1915
15 Pud M1915
25 Pud M1915
5 Funt M1914
10 Funt M1914
10 Funt M1915 Frag
10 Funt M1916 Incendiary
25 Funt M1914
25 Funt M1915 Frag

USA:
17lbs FragMkII
25lbs MkII
50lbs MkIII
100lbs MkI
250lbs MkIVA
300 lbs MkIVC
600lbs MkVC
1000lbs MkVIA
1100lbs MkVIC
Navy 112lbs MkV
Navy 230lbs RFC pattern
Navy 230lbs RNAS pattern
Navy 520lbs MkI
Navy 550lbs MkI
90mm with Michelin fuze
90mm with Gros Andreau key
155mm penetration

Guns:
Becker 20mm
Bergman 15mm NA
Colt M1914
Fedorov Avtomat
Fiat M1914
Hotchkiss 11mm
Hotchkiss 37mm
Hotchkiss 47mm
Hotchkiss M1885
Hotchkiss M1909
LewisMkI
LewisMkII
Madsen1902
Marlin1917
Parabellum MG14
Puteaux 37mm
Puteaux SMAC
Schwarzlose 07/12
Spandau 08/15
Vickers 11mm
Vickers MkI
Villar Perosa

[I think I will ,in the coming days, also upload meshes for these guns (presently I uploaded only meshes for the Hotchkiss 8mm and 11mm with the SPAD7 update) ]

Armament Update for WW1 planes:
AEG CIV
AEG CIV Night
Albatros DIII
Albatros DV
Aviatik CI
Be2C
Camel
Caproni Ca31-32-33
Caproni Ca42
Dirigible M
Fokker DVI
Fokker DVII   Canvas Knight Beta - not released to public
Fokker DVIIF   Canvas Knight Beta - not released to public
Fokker DVIII
Fokker DrI
Fokker EIII
FriedrichshafenG.III
Lohner L / Macchi L1
Nieuport 11
Nieuport 17   Aviaskins Beta - not released to public
Nieuport 17bis   Aviaskins Beta - not released to public
Nieuport 23   Aviaskins Beta - not released to public
Oeffag DIII
Roland DII
Se5 / Se5A
Snipe
SPAD 7
Zeppelin M
Zeppelin P

Enjoy!
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: SAS~Malone on March 21, 2013, 02:25:21 PM: Quote from: Dreamk on March 21, 2013, 02:18:42 PM
...so I took myself by the hand....

now that is kinda disturbing..lol. :D
jokes aside,this looks quite impressive, mate, will check it out asap...
thanks for the work. ;)
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: pippin on March 21, 2013, 02:25:57 PM: That looks amazing DreamK downloading now :)

Ian
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: Dreamk on March 21, 2013, 02:39:42 PM: After installing the plane updates (always check that the names of the mods folders are the same), delete the cod and arms subfolders insid these planes folders
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: pippin on March 21, 2013, 02:58:41 PM: Ive Put this into a couple of the planes and the Zep and have got to say this is amazing! I love the side mounted bombs on the Avitak. Amassive leap forward in WW1 :)
Many thanks for this Mod!
Ian
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: SAS~Poltava on March 21, 2013, 03:02:32 PM: Well - WOW! - great job!!! ;D

THANKS for all your continued efforts!
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: Mad026 on March 21, 2013, 04:45:09 PM: hi,

Somehow I got 60% CTD after instalig this, its not about the air ini, I copyed the new files into the correct aircarft's folder, after that I checked the cod files and deleted them, right after that I checked the weapons ru and made the modifications, did I miss something?
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: RAF209_Benge on March 21, 2013, 05:32:55 PM: I get the same issue.
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: Dreamk on March 21, 2013, 05:41:43 PM: Try to rename the 0_WW1Bombs_ folders in _ww1Bombs_ or AAAww1Bombs_, though a problem with these files would cause a 20% ctd error.
What si possible is that you have installed ALL the update files, including for mods that did not exist previously in your mod folder - this could cause a 60% CTD error.
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: Mad026 on March 21, 2013, 06:07:43 PM: ok than what should we do about this? I mean that the last option what did you say must be the problem.
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: max_thehitman on March 21, 2013, 06:14:52 PM: I am speechless ... A-M-A-Z-I-N-G arsenal for WW1 fans everywhere.

THANK YOU so much (http://serve.mysmiley.net/animated/anim_37.gif) (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-animated-smileys.php) DreamK. (http://serve.mysmiley.net/party/party0012.gif) (http://www.mysmiley.net)

This must be tested slowly to see if it all fits in everyones game. Testing takes some time and
we will take time to test!
Do not worry folks, everything will be ok.
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: Wulfy on March 21, 2013, 07:06:21 PM: Quote from: Dreamk on March 21, 2013, 05:41:43 PM
Try to rename the 0_WW1Bombs_ folders in _ww1Bombs_ or AAAww1Bombs_, though a problem with these files would cause a 20% ctd error.
What si possible is that you have installed ALL the update files, including for mods that did not exist previously in your mod folder - this could cause a 60% CTD error.
sorry i have the same problem, although i have no idea what you mean by "you have installed ALL the update files, including for mods that did not exist previously in your mod folder - this could cause a 60% CTD error."
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: gbollin on March 21, 2013, 08:00:32 PM: I am installing and testing each plane seperatly. So far the Se5 and Se5a and the Spad7 check out ok in
QMB have not tested them in FMB. The Fokker DR1 works in QMB but not with AI contolled aircraft they
are frozen in mid air.
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: Wulfy on March 21, 2013, 08:52:07 PM: So does anyone have tips for me?
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: gbollin on March 21, 2013, 09:22:35 PM: I started by loading gun and bomb folders.
I made copies of all my plane folders. Then started updating
Plane by plane. I found the Fokker DVI causes a 60% ctd
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: vpmedia on March 21, 2013, 10:09:40 PM: Thanks DreamK! I'm gonna have fun time while testing this, but its gonna take a while.

My guess is that with the new weapons added, many missions and campaigns will require editing and retesting which will be quite a task for the future. I think planes usually explode when they got a bomb ordnance which doesnt exists anymore. Needs to be tested.

About install problems and crashes:

- Fokker Dr.I has a good set of classfiles only in my DBW-1916 update because I had access to previous versions and when the "plane frozen in mid air" issue was reported I reverted to an earlier set and it solved the problem. The version you can download still has the FM problem. 'Mid air freezing' is not realted to this mod imho.
- Nieuport 17 and 23 is not in DBW-1916 (...and I'm getting very tired to see screens of them all the time!)
- Fokker D.VII is not in DBW-1916 only a frankenplane
-Caproni.42 doesnt have its own slot yet so its not in DBW-1916
- Friedrichshafen G.III still has the SM_S55 slot because the own slot version was unable to take of so I could not import it into DBW-1916 (reported the problem many times)
- because of mission compatbility DBW-1916 still has the old slot Nieuport.11, so this upgrade will not effect it

When I'll install this I'm gonna copy all files into one common folder and load them first (in DBW1916 call the folder #00_DreamKWeapons then it will be loaded before every other folder), theres no need to overwrite anything. Duplicates are not a problem if the right version is at the first place in the load order. Its not elegant but neccesary for testing. Just backup your weapons_ru.properties file before editing it.

Cheers
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: Gumpy on March 21, 2013, 10:32:22 PM: Quote from: gbollin on March 21, 2013, 08:00:32 PM
I am installing and testing each plane seperatly. So far the Se5 and Se5a and the Spad7 check out ok in
QMB have not tested them in FMB. The Fokker DR1 works in QMB but not with AI contolled aircraft they
are frozen in mid air.
Same result here, AI controlled Fokker DR1 aircraft are frozen in mid air.
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: farang65 on March 21, 2013, 10:48:16 PM: Not being a W.W.1 flyer as much as other wars and conflicts this looks really really immersive :D ;)

I'm sure this will help me get into some further W.W.1 flying. :D

Everything looks supurb

Cheers

Kirby
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: pippin on March 21, 2013, 11:00:20 PM: Boeing is correct the DVI is causing a 60% CTD crash on my system also.
Boeing, this is easily fixed by replacing the aircraft from your backup copy.

Ian
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: David Prosser on March 21, 2013, 11:26:01 PM: Thanks Dreamk. WWI just got a little better.

cheers

David Prosser
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: SAS~Malone on March 22, 2013, 12:26:03 AM: if it turns out some guys are struggling with this, can i ask, Dreamk, Istvan, would you guys consider incorporating this into a future 1916 patch/update?
it might make life easier for those who are a bit confused...
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: vpmedia on March 22, 2013, 12:41:32 AM: I gave it a try but getting the 60% crash despite that I only added the planes which are in fact in DBW.1916.
After a few attempts I've found that a classfile caused the crash in the Rolland D.II folder of the arms upgrade. (D767974CFD948F78). Now I see that this was for a different slot which is not in DBW.1916 because of mission compatibility.
I've also found that the The Fokker Dr.1 classfile causes mid air freezing of AI planes + the Fokker D.VI classfiles indeed will cause a 60% ctd.

Only these will work in DBW.1916:

AEG-CIV
Albatros DIII
Albatros DVa
Aviatik(il)
Aviatik(multi1)
BE2c
CaproniCA32
CaproniCA33
Dirigibile_M
Fokker EIII
Fokker DVIII
Lohner_L
Macchi_L1
Oeffag DIII
Se5
Se5A
Snipe
SPAD-7(Multi1)
Zeppelin_M
Zeppelin_P

The ones which had to be removed / reasons:

CaproniCA42 / ~~no slot yet, not in dbw.1916~~ solved!
Fokker DVI / ctd
Fokker DVII / unavailable/wip
FokkerDr1 / mid air freezing
FriedrichshafenG.III / different slot, not in dbw.1916
Nieuport 17 17Bis 23 IV / unavailable/wip
Nieuport11 / different slot, not in dbw.1916
Roland_DII / different slot, not in dbw.1916

I hope this helps but I also made a DBW.1916 compatible version, only 5Mb compressed:
http://www.vpmedia.eu/il2/zip/DBW1916_weapons_patch_v2.7z
I havent edited the weapons_ru.properties yet, this will be updated later with it.
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: Whiskey_Sierra_972 on March 22, 2013, 12:48:16 AM: Thanks to Dreamk for this great mod!

I'm sure that after a bit of teeth sharpening this 'll became a great step towards historical behaviour!

Thanks to all involved!
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: SAS~Malone on March 22, 2013, 01:05:41 AM: Istvan, thanks for the compatible version, mate - i was just gearing up to spend a few hours sorting through this lot, but it seems now i might not have to ;)
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: pippin on March 22, 2013, 01:16:35 AM: I Second that Malone, I too have been going through them to see which were causing issue VP has saved the day :)

Ian
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: Gumpy on March 22, 2013, 01:25:07 AM: I have a question.Are we supposed to take out the 0_WWI_PlaneWeapons folder that already exists in the DBW_1916 folder before we install this?
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: SAS~Malone on March 22, 2013, 01:28:11 AM: feedback on the vp_compatible version - works well from the getgo, no loading problems.
it seems that some of the planes now suffer from the minor issue of having their loadout entries doubled in the arming screen, although to be honest, perhaps they were like this before this update - i didn't check them all previously...
it works, that's the main thing :D
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: pippin on March 22, 2013, 01:31:48 AM: Yes I get the same here Malone a few double entries in the load out menu but this has no effect on the runing of the game.

Ian
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: Dreamk on March 22, 2013, 02:10:28 AM: Ok I'll check the Fokker Dr1 and DVI - I forgot to say that this mod was tested with the "own slot" planes - not on DBW1916 - so it will tun without troubles if you install these own slot planes

The 0_WWI_PlaneWeapons folder does not interfer with this mod - if you changed all planes with the present update, you do not need it longer, but teh old ww1 frankenplanes still need it.
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: Dreamk on March 22, 2013, 02:13:45 AM: Entries doubled in the arming screen = you simply forgot to remove the cod folder ;)
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: pippin on March 22, 2013, 02:15:10 AM: Thanks DreamK,
~~Also found on the Snipe one of the bomb load outs is not running in line with the racks.~~

Scrub above same issue COD folder deleted ;D

Ian
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: Dreamk on March 22, 2013, 02:38:38 AM: It appears that I forgot to upload the Single Slot version of Gio's Ca42
Here it is - this version is already fit to use this bomb pack
Caproni Ca42
https://www.mediafire.com/?51k9nwlwfbz7o05
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: pippin on March 22, 2013, 02:42:03 AM: Thank you Sir.

Ian
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: vpmedia on March 22, 2013, 03:17:41 AM: Quote from: Dreamk on March 22, 2013, 02:38:38 AM
It appears that I forgot to upload the Single Slot version of Gio's Ca42
Here it is - this version is already fit to use this bomb pack
Caproni Ca42
https://www.mediafire.com/?51k9nwlwfbz7o05

Thats excellent! Thank you! This was the only plane which was available but not in DBW.1916 yet.

Btw I understand that many ppl cant have a 10Gb+ DBW 1.71 download so they cant enjoy DBW.1916 either.
DBW.1916 really should have been made as a standalone pack, it would be more popular and accessible.
Maybe in the future. :)
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: gbollin on March 22, 2013, 09:23:35 AM: Realy cool mod. Vpmedia your update saves me a lot of time. I noticed you left out Camel as being compatible in your update. It still tries to upload the new ordenance mod but it can only fire the left
machine gun. I wonder if the Camel is trying too use the loadout file fore the Snipe sinse it has the guns
firing on seperate triggers.
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: vpmedia on March 22, 2013, 10:26:36 AM: I see the Camel problem, it needs to be removed from the DBW.1916 version. I'm already working on the second version of this weapons patch, retextured all the bombs and I'm testing the planes. Since some folders need to be deactivated I'm gonna have to release a new version of DBW.1916 with these weapons later.
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: gbollin on March 22, 2013, 10:48:25 AM: Thanks for all your efforts. I see the File your talking about and removed it. The Camel is
now back to the origional game version. Thanks
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: pippin on March 23, 2013, 12:19:57 AM: This has got me thinking, what about putting a fixed bomb to the side of a spotter aircraft remodeled to look like a camera. Nice for a bit of eye-candy. :)
(https://www.sas1946.rocks/images/imageshit/img547/5395/camc.jpg) (https://www.sas1946.rocks/images/imageshit/download/547/camc.jpg)

Ian
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: vpmedia on March 23, 2013, 07:48:36 AM: I updated the DBW.1916 version of this mod with new bomb and rocket textures and few bugfixes:
http://www.vpmedia.eu/il2/zip/DBW1916_weapons_patch_v2.7z
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: pippin on March 23, 2013, 08:09:52 AM: Thank you VP

Downloaded and installed and working great

Ian
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: Dreamk on March 23, 2013, 10:57:43 AM: A cameras pack is on its way as is a bombracks pack
Cioncerning problems in DBW 1916 with some planes, the source is not in the armament but in the rotary engine used by these planes - the same java methods are used and they demand to have SAS AI Engines Hotkeys Mod installed.
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: <Gunny> on March 23, 2013, 01:47:46 PM: I installed this mod in to my game.
It did not work. so i removed it. My DR-1 are stuck in mid air.
So no big deal I have two back ups of my install which I had not installed the mod. Reason they are back up's.

When I tried those they also had the DR-1 stuck in mid-air.
Getting a little more than upset at this time I formated the "D " drive where all my games are located.

Now today after a total new reinstall it's still the same stuck DR-1's

Any idea's??

Thanks for any help.
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: pippin on March 23, 2013, 03:46:47 PM: Gunny my install is working fine?
Have you tried downloading VPs fix for the stuck AI

Ian
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: <Gunny> on March 23, 2013, 04:13:39 PM: Quote from: pippin on March 23, 2013, 03:46:47 PM
Gunny my install is working fine?
Have you tried downloading VPs fix for the stuck AI

Ian
Thanks for the reply.
I read all the post but that I guess I missed.
Please show me the way to the FIX.
Thank You very much.
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: gbollin on March 23, 2013, 06:11:20 PM: Just downloaded this mod works great.My least post
Seems to have been lost. Thanks to all involved.
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: Alfie Noakes on March 24, 2013, 04:08:48 AM: Many thanks to all concerned for the new weapons pack, obviously a labour of love (?) ;D

http://s1353.photobucket.com/user/alfienoakes2013/media/2303201319-59-05_zps91b17f9c.jpg.html

As an aside, does anyone know how to get a B.E.2c aloft when carrying a 336lbs Long?
I can just about get the old girl off the ground loaded with the lighter ordinance (more by luck than artifice :D), but carrying the 336 usually results in a rather noisy and dusty 10kph tour of the airfield!
No chance of a Prieur/JATO mod ;D

Cheers

Alfie
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: vpmedia on March 24, 2013, 08:21:18 AM: The real problem with the BE2c is that now it fires to the left instead right where the gun is pointed at.
When I deactivate the BE2c files the missions wont work.
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: Dreamk on March 24, 2013, 09:31:21 AM: Quote from: vpmedia on March 24, 2013, 08:21:18 AM
The real problem with the BE2c is that now it fires to the left instead right where the gun is pointed at.
When I deactivate the BE2c files the missions wont work.
This is easily corrected:
Look for the mesh called Turret1C_D0 in your folder #SAS\BE2C\3do\Plane\BE2c
replace the lines:
[HookLoc]
-0.422618 -0.906308 0 0.906308 -0.422618 0 0 0 1 -0.28 -0.6746 0
by:
[HookLoc]
0.34202 -0.939693 0 0.939693 0.34202 0 0 0 1 -0.28 -0.6746 0

(let the second line of the HookLoc entries as it is)
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: vpmedia on March 24, 2013, 10:08:04 AM: Its working, thanks DreamK!
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: pippin on March 24, 2013, 10:36:02 AM: I tried this too DreamK and yes, the gun is now firing from the correct side but the tracers seem a little too far too the right I think.
Ian
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: Alfie Noakes on March 24, 2013, 11:04:38 AM: Have replaced the hook loc lines and forward firing MG works for me also.....thanks Dreamk.
Slowly working my way through the new ordinance......what a weird & wonderful collection :D
Thank you once again for your work.
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: vpmedia on March 25, 2013, 12:52:42 AM: I forgot to mention but the #00_DK_WW1_Guns_n_Bombs folder which has the retextured bombs is usable both in your SAS modact install and in DBW.1916 too. ( its in http://www.vpmedia.eu/il2/zip/DBW1916_weapons_patch_v2.7z )

(https://www.sas1946.rocks/images/imageshit/img836/7782/ww1weaponstextures.jpg)
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: Wulfy on March 25, 2013, 09:14:41 AM: Sorry I cant ry it out but out of curiosity, what does the "guns" part do?
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: Fly! on March 25, 2013, 04:45:54 PM: I tried installing this both ways--w/ the orig. link and w/ VP's link.
Both times the Camel is unselectable. Can't figure it out.
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: RAECHER on March 26, 2013, 12:32:27 AM: I tried this out and then the parts on the 'Snipes' where they were shot turned WHITE(mostly the left lower wing) and damage on the top part of wings were inconsistent with damage underneath. The 'Camel' showed NO DAMAGE when shot. Other planes seemed to be fine. I then removed the two folders added, but what I described above now continues! Any idea of what I did wrong? Oh, I have screenshots of what I tried to explain: should I post them?(I don't whant to clutter the site). Thanks for a great site!
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: vpmedia on March 26, 2013, 12:53:26 AM: Is this a modact or a DBW.1916 install youre both talking about?

The weapons patch version I made for DBW.1916 doesnt include the Camel changes because with them only one gun fired so I didnt include the classfile.

As for the Camel and Snipe damage problems, my only guess is to make sure that you play in OpenGL.
(Snipe wing going white when damaged was reported by only one person so its not an universal error, doesnt happen in my install. I think it could be also related to the size of those textures/ too large for some systems). For DBW.1916 we got an error report topic here:
https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,30252.0.html
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: RAECHER on March 26, 2013, 01:09:44 AM: Thank you 'vpmedia': I am using OpenGL and I will post at the appropriate place.
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: Antae_destronas on March 26, 2013, 08:19:04 AM: Hi people!

Thanks vpmedia, it works for me. I have 1916 with all your patches installed and works. The only thing that could be called an 'error' is that when I hit Camel Weapon, appear more than one Default and None option, but this isn't a problem for playing :)
Thanks also thanks to Dreamk for the weapons.

Cheers
Alberto
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: vpmedia on March 26, 2013, 11:11:13 PM: When you get double entries in the ordnance list you need to deactivate the folder named cod in the AIRCRAFT_CAMEL folder by renaming it to -cod. This can only be corrected in DBW.1916 when I re-release the entire pack in few weeks in one 7z file. Then you dont have to install 7 files just one.
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: Whiskey_Sierra_972 on March 27, 2013, 07:53:25 AM: Quote from: vpmedia on March 26, 2013, 11:11:13 PM
When you get double entries in the ordnance list you need to deactivate the folder named cod in the AIRCRAFT_CAMEL folder by renaming it to -cod. This can only be corrected in DBW.1916 when I re-release the entire pack in few weeks in one 7z file. Then you dont have to install 7 files just one.

Really looking farward to your next release!

Your work is absolutely flawless!!!!

Thanks for share your hard optimization work!

All guys that have few spare time (like me) 'll be ever grateful towards you!

All the very best!

walter
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: vpmedia on March 27, 2013, 09:13:57 AM: Thanks Walter, I do what I can. DreamK did 99% of the work with this pack, I just adjusted it to DBW.1916.
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: Whiskey_Sierra_972 on March 27, 2013, 12:41:20 PM: Obviously a huge THANKS to Dreamk , a great pillar for our community!

He's the modder behind a lot , if not most of , SCW and WWI last planes!!!

Without his work many of the last months fun couldn't be happen!

Hope to see far more from him in the next 'two weeks' !!!

Thanks from the deep of my heart!
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: saab ja26 on August 20, 2013, 05:57:44 PM: Hi VPmedia, can you repost the ww1 weapons pack you did? I can't seem to down load it from the link. Thanks for all you have done to give us WW1 for Il2 as well as Dreamk and anyother modder involved. I know you all have put in alot of free time doing this. Just wanted to say thank you.
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: vpmedia on August 20, 2013, 11:58:10 PM: That link isnt active anymore because the weapons mod version for DBW-1916 was already included in the last, nr.6 patch.
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: Alex840 on October 23, 2013, 06:47:07 AM: Pardon me if this question is stupid, but I'm noted that when I release the bombs the majority won't explode, in the last week I'm dropped more than 10 bombs from BE.2 and another aircraft and only one (a 336 lb long) did exploded on the ground. It's a bug or a feature? There's a special technique to drop this bombs that it detonate on the ground?
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: Dreamk on October 23, 2013, 10:14:47 AM: The issue is not the explosion but the visual effect - since 4.10 Small bombs explosions are visible only very close (a kind of black smoke without fire) this concerns all bombs under 50kg - I must say that, if it is justified to a large extent for bombs under 30kg, for bombs of 50kg it's not realistic.
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: gambit168 on April 23, 2014, 12:39:58 AM: i think small bombs are like 60 mortar rounds, if you don't hit something that can be destroyed not much happens I think there should be a small dust cloud & then a crater visible for each impact to at least 1000 ft or 325 meters but over 1500 ft or 500 meters unless you hit something there probably wouldn't be that much to see with the MK 1 eyeball , & as small arms & better flak forced the bomb carrying planes ever higher,& the accuracy of dead reckoning suffered badly as a result :)
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: BravoFxTrt on April 23, 2014, 09:19:09 AM: And why risk your life with a rack of small Bombs? Big Bombs a better risk to drop on target.
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: David Prosser on April 23, 2014, 06:48:58 PM: For anyone who is considering modding the really early WWI planes, here is a point to consider. Although many didn't have bomb racks; bombs could be carried. The observer just carried some in his cockpit, and threw them overboard. Grenades were carried too.
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: dsawan on May 11, 2014, 01:36:19 PM: hi, tried that and no go. it crashes at 70 percent. Also, dbw has these weapons files already. any ideas here?
Title: Re: WW1 Weapons Pack Ready to DL
Post by: max_thehitman on May 11, 2014, 04:37:28 PM: Quote from: dsawan on May 11, 2014, 01:36:19 PM
hi, tried that and no go. it crashes at 70 percent. Also, dbw has these weapons files already. any ideas here?

70% crash is usually a line written wrong somewhere in one file, or a big conflict with this mod with another, which
is much more dificult to find out where the problem is.

VPmedia, made in his last pack-patch-update the fixed and proper version to use.
Everything you really need to make DBW-1916 to work is in his package. All models and mods have been fixed
and all been put together just right.