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Title: Harbin Map - Manchurian Incidents
Post by: agracier on February 03, 2013, 11:26:09 AM
Time for a new map. This one covers the area around the Manchurian city of Harbin. It's mostly flat, rolling terrain with some low, steep cliffs along long stretches. The river valleys have cultivated fields textures, the other areas do not. The actors is not insignificantly large, though aside from Harbin itself and a few towns, there is little concentration of objects. There is however a large number of small hamlets scattered throughout the map.

Airfields, aside from Harbin are fictitious, they are also rudimentary in the main. The map is inspired by Mixx's incomparable Khalkin-Gol retex. Several of his textures were used and adapted to the color palette of this map. Uffllakke's desert trees are included as well, but downsized to 1024 so that they will give no problems for those not having the needed mod installed. If you wish to keep your own desert trees textures, then no not overwrite them.

There are BumpH files included in a separate folder with the regular texture files. They are not installed on the map in this manner, but should you wish to try them out, just copy them, or any combination, into the texture folder with the normal textures. These are in 8-bit, greyscale and should hopefully work, though I have found the effect to be subtle at times and hard to notice discernibly.

There are 2 versions of the map. One for 1937, for a Sino-Japanese conflict scenario. The other for 1945, with a Soviet offensive against Japan launched in August 1945. Both maps are identical, aside from the ed maps ... the changes are just for the atmosphere and to show off the many colorful flags pertaining to this war.

The city of Harbin was a manufacturing city. Populating tried to reflect that by using almost exclusively industrial objects. The villages and hamlets were hopefully given a somewhat Chinese look, but due to the dearth of oriental objects, that was hard to do adequately.

For the 1937 map, there are strictly speaking, just like with the SCW a short while ago, not that many suitable aircraft, especially on Japanese side. Maybe someone will one day start to address this. You can however, use several of DreamK's planes as substitute early Japanese planes - the Bulldog, Dewoitine 371, Northrop Gamma etc all work quite well with Japanese skins.

Another small oddity on the map. There are game generated railways, but no game generated roads. There were so few roads that I tried an experiment, using Kevin's KDP roadplates to make up the sparse roads on the map. Therefore maps and terrain will not always exactly accord regarding the location of roads, but I bet that was the case back then anyway ... you can also not have a vehicle follow a road unless you painstakingly place umpteen waypoints ... vehicles will however cross road objects without any problem.

The map is made mainly for low flying missions using hazy or worse weather types. Avoid noonday flying for best visual results. The water is a muddy brown for the rivers and lakes.

The temptation to center action around Harbin will be great. However, landscapes to the north are very nice.

Here is a download link.
http://www.mediafire.com/?vlj58968krn5a61

New Re-textured version of this map:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/i1in8ped3hlam8f/ag_Harbin_1937.rar/file

And some screenshots:

(http://s20.postimage.org/z7j9138i5/Harbin_1937_FMB_small.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)
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(http://s20.postimage.org/weq1h285p/Harbin_01_02_2013_23_18_21.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)
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(http://s20.postimage.org/k1d7a5ih9/Harbin_26_01_2013_15_21_16.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)
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(http://s20.postimage.org/hlbdwb0el/Harbin_26_01_2013_15_21_50.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)
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(http://s20.postimage.org/q4uru28r1/Harbin_26_01_2013_15_43_52.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)
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Title: Re: Harbin Map - Manchurian Incidents
Post by: SAS~Bombsaway on February 03, 2013, 11:31:11 AM
OOOHHH! Thank you. :) Looks great.
Title: Re: Harbin Map - Manchurian Incidents
Post by: SAS~Tom2 on February 03, 2013, 11:38:11 AM
Thank you, looks great, indeed! :)  :D
Title: Re: Harbin Map - Manchurian Incidents
Post by: SAS~Poltava on February 03, 2013, 12:02:23 PM
Thanks!!! Great to have a new map for the Sino-Japanese war!  :D
Title: Re: Harbin Map - Manchurian Incidents
Post by: BravoFxTrt on February 03, 2013, 01:20:19 PM
Cool map Thanks ag

(http://www.sas1946.com/images/imageshit/img4/2792/20130203at221727.jpg)
Title: Re: Harbin Map - Manchurian Incidents
Post by: agracier on February 03, 2013, 01:26:11 PM
Good to see it's working. RealDarko gave it a try, but I made a few small adjustments afterwards and you never know ...

While making it I started looking at 1930's Japanese aircraft, early models, and realized these are varied and often ungainly looking things, but very very cool ... some of DreamK's SCW planes work as hacks, but new models are always better ... said I, while winking and nodding to a blind horse ... ha ha.

Title: Re: Harbin Map - Manchurian Incidents
Post by: 352nd_Hoss on February 03, 2013, 06:30:37 PM
Is that the La-9?..........................
Title: Re: Harbin Map - Manchurian Incidents
Post by: Sillius_Sodus on February 03, 2013, 09:19:37 PM
Amazing map Agracier, I've been to Harbin and your map is a very nice depiction of the area.
Title: Re: Harbin Map - Manchurian Incidents
Post by: agracier on February 04, 2013, 01:06:28 AM
Amazing map Agracier, I've been to Harbin and your map is a very nice depiction of the area.

Ha ha ... that's a nice compliment. Cause the only way I can get any ideas how the terrain is supposed to look is from photos and good ol Google Earth ... and the last is great for the present day, not necessarily for 80 years ago ... For instance, now on GE it looks like the whole area is intensively cultivated with fields everywhere ... so I sort of toned down the prevalence of fields on the map ... there was after all much less of a population back then than now ...

Anyway, thanks ... must have been an experience to visit such places.
Title: Re: Harbin Map - Manchurian Incidents
Post by: BravoFxTrt on February 04, 2013, 01:32:28 AM
Yes Hoss, it is  WIP Beta.
Title: Re: Harbin Map - Manchurian Incidents
Post by: andrey65 on February 04, 2013, 06:06:03 AM
I have not saved the mission. 4.101 +DBW 1.7
log:
##### House without collision (3do/Tree/Tree2.sim)
[19:59:35]   ##### House without collision (3do/Buildings/ToW/Rus_House_003/variant_001/mono.sim)
[19:59:37]   ##### House without collision (3do/Buildings/Furniture/10x1_5_White/mono.sim)
[19:59:38]   ##### House without collision (3do/Buildings/Furniture/Sandbag_Wall/live.sim)
[19:59:38]   ##### House without collision (3do/Buildings/Furniture/Sandbags_Round/live.sim)
[19:59:39]   ##### House without collision (3do/Buildings/French/rubble/live.sim)
[19:59:42]   House: Section House$Oil_Well not found
[19:59:42]   com.maddox.il2.objects.buildings.House$Oil_Well.registerSpawner() failed.
I did wrong?
Title: Re: Harbin Map - Manchurian Incidents
Post by: agracier on February 04, 2013, 06:15:16 AM
I have not saved the mission. 4.101 +DBW 1.7
log:
##### House without collision (3do/Tree/Tree2.sim)
[19:59:35]   ##### House without collision (3do/Buildings/ToW/Rus_House_003/variant_001/mono.sim)
[19:59:37]   ##### House without collision (3do/Buildings/Furniture/10x1_5_White/mono.sim)
[19:59:38]   ##### House without collision (3do/Buildings/Furniture/Sandbag_Wall/live.sim)
[19:59:38]   ##### House without collision (3do/Buildings/Furniture/Sandbags_Round/live.sim)
[19:59:39]   ##### House without collision (3do/Buildings/French/rubble/live.sim)
[19:59:42]   House: Section House$Oil_Well not found
[19:59:42]   com.maddox.il2.objects.buildings.House$Oil_Well.registerSpawner() failed.
I did wrong?

The first objects, are as far as I know, all standard with DBW 1.7 ... and I truly don't know what it means when you : 'House without collision'.

I can however give a link to the Oil Well object. Apparently it is not yet standard with DBW 1.7 ...

http://www.mediafire.com/?s9k8z8mcdn2rlc6
Title: Re: Harbin Map - Manchurian Incidents
Post by: Ectoflyer on February 04, 2013, 07:40:23 AM
Great map! Thank you!  :)
And we also can use it for 1960 CCCP-China incidents... 8)

(http://s3.postimage.org/5zus5gw9f/Mig_17_on_sino_border.jpg)

Houses with their little enclosed garden are one of those touches that give life and reality to a map!

(http://s9.postimage.org/hb8qtffof/Mig_17_on_sino_border2.jpg)

Title: Re: Harbin Map - Manchurian Incidents
Post by: andrey65 on February 04, 2013, 08:46:00 AM
Quote
"The first objects, are as far as I know, all standard with DBW 1.7 ... and I truly don't know what it means when you : 'House without collision'.
I can however give a link to the Oil Well object. Apparently it is not yet standard with DBW 1.7 ...
http://www.mediafire.com/?s9k8z8mcdn2rlc6"

Thank you! All is well!
Title: Re: Harbin Map - Manchurian Incidents
Post by: Sillius_Sodus on February 05, 2013, 07:48:25 PM
Amazing map Agracier, I've been to Harbin and your map is a very nice depiction of the area.

Ha ha ... that's a nice compliment. Cause the only way I can get any ideas how the terrain is supposed to look is from photos and good ol Google Earth ... and the last is great for the present day, not necessarily for 80 years ago ... For instance, now on GE it looks like the whole area is intensively cultivated with fields everywhere ... so I sort of toned down the prevalence of fields on the map ... there was after all much less of a population back then than now ...

Anyway, thanks ... must have been an experience to visit such places.

Yes, it's a very interesting city to visit.

(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc53/Sillius_Sodus/Harbin/China2007151_zps86aff2e8.jpg)

(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc53/Sillius_Sodus/Harbin/China2007088_zps2dd80921.jpg)
Title: Re: Harbin Map - Manchurian Incidents
Post by: BravoFxTrt on February 05, 2013, 08:07:32 PM
Hey thats pretty cool man.
Title: Re: Harbin Map - Manchurian Incidents
Post by: bomberkiller on February 05, 2013, 09:19:04 PM
Quote
Hey thats pretty cool man.

Oh yes, really nice!  ;D
Title: Re: Harbin Map - Manchurian Incidents
Post by: agracier on February 06, 2013, 01:09:15 AM
Wow, did they get the reincarnation of Timothy Leary's ghost to design this? Looks like someone put hallucinogenics into the local water supply ... ha ha ...
Title: Re: Harbin Map - Manchurian Incidents
Post by: BravoFxTrt on February 06, 2013, 05:09:55 AM
I would have to hate to pay the light bill
Title: Re: Harbin Map - Manchurian Incidents
Post by: Mixx on February 07, 2013, 03:56:52 AM
Beautiful map, excellent textures, good structure of cities and villages, well-chosen area!
well done!
Title: Re: Harbin Map - Manchurian Incidents
Post by: agracier on February 07, 2013, 05:15:58 AM
Beautiful map, excellent textures, good structure of cities and villages, well-chosen area!
well done!

A lot was inspired and borrowed from your Khalkin-Gol retex ... such a remote and far-off location and also so seemingly adventurous ...

For Harbin, I got the idea after watching an episode of Oliver Stone's 'Untold History of the United States' about the Soviet invasion of Manchuria in 1945 ...
Title: Re: Harbin Map - Manchurian Incidents
Post by: David Prosser on March 21, 2013, 11:44:40 PM
Thanks agracier. Just the thing for the Manchurian Incident, or Russia v Japan in 1945.

cheers

David Prosser
Title: Re: Harbin Map - Manchurian Incidents
Post by: SAS~Poltava on April 21, 2013, 02:49:00 PM
I like this map, and I hope evenatually to do a JAAF campaign for it, perhaps pitting Tedeschene's Ki-10 against some of DreamK's new SCW creations?  :)

Great job, as always!  ;D
Title: Re: Harbin Map - Manchurian Incidents
Post by: agracier on April 21, 2013, 03:01:39 PM
Thanks ... some of DreamK's planes work wonderfully well as Japanese planes of the 30's ... all they need are some Japanese skins and with some imagination they work quite well.

It's only a shame the map isn't in 2048. It was from before I got the mod working.
Title: Re: Harbin Map - Manchurian Incidents
Post by: Gaston on April 21, 2013, 03:42:34 PM
It's only a shame the map isn't in 2048.

At the contrary ! Ot os better that way, so peoples which do not use the HiRez mod will be able to use it ! 2048 should be an option, not a default installation !
Title: Re: Harbin Map - Manchurian Incidents
Post by: agracier on April 21, 2013, 03:49:27 PM
It's only a shame the map isn't in 2048.

At the contrary ! Ot os better that way, so peoples which do not use the HiRez mod will be able to use it ! 2048 should be an option, not a default installation !

I understand ... but remember how it went with the old maps with 512 textures. Suddenly there were 1024 textures and it seemed like a whole new dimension was added to the maps. The same will now happen with 2048 textures, I'd say it's inevitable.

The only thing that makes it a bit more difficult is finding good raw images in hi rez from which to make 2048 textures. Google Earth is great, but you really have to trust to serendipity to chance upon areas with the right kind of imagery. And if the raw images don't contain more detail then there is little sense in making them into 2048 textures.

But when you do find the good areas with hi rez satellite imagery, it makes a huge difference.
Title: Re: Harbin Map - Manchurian Incidents
Post by: farang65 on April 21, 2013, 08:32:42 PM
Hi Ag,

I also  watch documentaries / any movies about certain topics and then think a map is in order for that area

Very interesting region you have mapped.

Keep them coming 2048 maps that is  :D ;)

My sas modact 4.10 HD version (including all the objects) Carmasters light mod, Carmasters animated water mod and the HD skins mod all work perfectly now  ;D

Great job  ( not too much coastline work with this one  ;D)

Cheers

Kirby
Title: Re: Harbin Map - Manchurian Incidents
Post by: agracier on April 22, 2013, 12:49:22 AM
not too much coastline work with this one  ;D)

ha ha ... it's a fine line to walk. No coastlines and the map has huge amounts of land to texture map - so much to paint in by hand. Make an islands map and the coastlines need to gone over manually ... it's Scylla and Charybdis ... ha ha.
Title: Re: Harbin Map - Manchurian Incidents
Post by: acred99 on November 03, 2019, 06:12:36 PM
Can't save missions, even with oil wells, using 4.09m any help would be appreciated, great map to.
Title: Re: Harbin Map - Manchurian Incidents
Post by: agracier on November 04, 2019, 01:22:14 AM
Can't save missions, even with oil wells, using 4.09m any help would be appreciated, great map to.

The map was made in a 4.10 map maker, so I suppose there might be some difference.

At the moment I can't pinpoint the exact name, but I believe there are some mining objects that belong to one or another add-on. You should be able to find which objects you are missing by using a missing objects tool also called the static.ini checker ...

https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,762.msg204608.html#msg204608
Title: Re: Harbin Map - Manchurian Incidents
Post by: Motörhead on November 07, 2019, 07:21:32 AM
Dear Agracier!
Where i can find list or some kind of catalog with all your maps? With link for download, if possible :)
Title: Re: Harbin Map - Manchurian Incidents
Post by: agracier on November 07, 2019, 07:57:43 AM
Dear Agracier!
Where i can find list or some kind of catalog with all your maps? With link for download, if possible :)

I don't really have a catalog and besides, many of the early ones are really not very good anymore. But I will take a look at my Mediafire account and see which ones are still available and worth the trouble ...
Title: Re: Harbin Map - Manchurian Incidents
Post by: agracier on November 07, 2019, 08:55:08 AM
Dear Agracier!
Where i can find list or some kind of catalog with all your maps? With link for download, if possible :)

Here are a few download links. I've only put those that I think decent enough.

http://www.mediafire.com/folder/xwqf6q9ff4f9w/ag_Chaco

http://www.mediafire.com/folder/amtoaz5xryqdg/ag_Harbin

http://www.mediafire.com/folder/eiztfo1ywpzfd/ag_Ifni

http://www.mediafire.com/folder/dukn1uwa1bmb4/ag_India

http://www.mediafire.com/folder/r7sz7jsyj7evr/ag_Karelia

http://www.mediafire.com/folder/j4jpwyzv344ua/ag_Lost_Islands

http://www.mediafire.com/folder/y5ar09j4rk4b4/ag_Lost_Islands_2

http://www.mediafire.com/folder/16b1j33x2n1fd/ag_Marruecos

http://www.mediafire.com/folder/fj4o54by9id74/ag_New_Georgia

http://www.mediafire.com/folder/8an282dn13ql4/ag_Woodlark

http://www.mediafire.com/file/5ye0nc1yj6rmmky/ag_Green_Java_Map.7z/file

http://www.mediafire.com/file/3h4bd9yiumc5wop/ag_Black_Islands.rar/file

http://www.mediafire.com/file/xfdm067hn2zbtcv/ag_Sudest_download.rar/file

http://www.mediafire.com/file/5ago0inpmpm7ebq/Desert_Coast_Map.rar/file

http://www.mediafire.com/file/z8s19e5bvyiehet/ag_Makin.rar/file


Still in WIP but quite flyable
http://www.mediafire.com/folder/ofxk5nmyu2b9r/ag_Shantung
Title: Re: Harbin Map - Manchurian Incidents
Post by: Motörhead on November 07, 2019, 10:09:35 AM
Thanks agracier! I will look at this maps!
Title: Re: Harbin Map - Manchurian Incidents
Post by: agracier on November 07, 2019, 10:16:01 AM
Thanks agracier! I will look at this maps!

I am pretty certain the zip files contain the appropriate lines to add to the all.ini. If not, let me know.

The maps were all made in 4.10 with perhaps some objects from the odd mod pack or so. Palm trees are usually important ... I use gazillions of those ... ha ha
Title: Re: Harbin Map - Manchurian Incidents
Post by: Dimlee on November 07, 2019, 02:03:48 PM
I can find many interesting maps by agracier in BAT. Some of them are really unique as they cover areas untouched by other mapmakers: Arkhangelsk, Madagaskar, Dodecanese archipelago, some Middle East and African regions, etc.
Such an impressive collection of maps. Great work.
Thank you, agracier !
 ]salut[
Title: Re: Harbin Map - Manchurian Incidents
Post by: agracier on November 07, 2019, 04:48:34 PM
I can find many interesting maps by agracier in BAT. Some of them are really unique as they cover areas untouched by other mapmakers: Arkhangelsk, Madagaskar, Dodecanese archipelago, some Middle East and African regions, etc.


I like obscure places and areas with lots of terrain features like mountains and different types of terrain. Islands are also great to do because the actual land terrain is small in size, so more attention can be given to placing textures. They also need less populating by objects ...

I wish I could make aircraft for the game, that is what I'd rather be busy with, making the planes I find interesting (and obscure). But that is way way above my abilitiese. Map making is essentially nothing but graphics manipulation, like editing a photo or a scan of a drawing. That I understand at least ...  ;) ;)

Title: Re: Harbin Map - Manchurian Incidents
Post by: agracier on November 25, 2019, 04:50:35 AM
There is now a retextured version of this map available. New textures have been added, replacing old ones. No object or airfield or such has been changed.
Link included in the first post.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/i1in8ped3hlam8f/ag_Harbin_1937.rar/file
Title: Re: Harbin Map - Manchurian Incidents
Post by: SAS~Poltava on December 01, 2019, 11:28:21 AM
Thanks! Good to see you back - and good that you don't move any airfields: could make it tricky if you have already built missions for it, as I have  ;)
Title: Re: Harbin Map - Manchurian Incidents
Post by: agracier on December 01, 2019, 03:44:44 PM
Thanks! Good to see you back - and good that you don't move any airfields: could make it tricky if you have already built missions for it, as I have  ;)

I am essentially a lazy enough person ... so, no changing things that involves too much effort ... ha ha