# Special Aircraft Service

## Individual Mod Downloads for IL-2 1946 => Skins, Maps, Missions & Campaigns => ETO Maps => Topic started by: Uzin on October 03, 2012, 05:38:43 AM

Title: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: Uzin on October 03, 2012, 05:38:43 AM
Hi,
is anybody interested in the map of Estonia, from Riga Gulf to Moonsund islands  and to Tallin and Pskov nad Narva, with Hanko in the north ? It would cover the gap between stock FinnsGulf and Kurland map:

(https://s6.postimg.cc/ud7jdwvz5/Tallin_Jandeks_01.png)

EDIT on June, 4, 2013:

This map covers the area of Estonia with surroundings, so filling partially the gap
between Finnsgulf and Kurlandia Il2 maps. The main purpose is to serve for campaign and
missions in 1939-1944 years, with some finetuning it might serve also for 1914-1920 era.
The  airfields  are mostly grass ones, with exception of those at Tallin, Tartu
and Riga, where authentic shape of concrete runways based on WWII photos were made. The
location of others is widely based on nowadays coordinates. The whole map is made one
ZUTI's Friction mod area, so emergency landing is possible almost everywhere. There are
some exceptions - working swamp and quick sand areas, where the plane can be swallowed.
Poisition and number of these places is let to find by the flier, as a sort of Easter Egg.
Cities and villages were autopopulated to large extent. The position of lighthouses
is based on contemporary naval maps, their appearance is, however, only that default in
Il2. Appearance of harbours is based on nowadays data.
The compatibility of the map was tested with the following versions of Il2
Sturmovik 1946:

HSFX 4.01, HSFX 5.01, UP3RC4 and DBW 1.71.

EDIT: repaired map d/l here :

The readme file there involded contains all the necessary installation guide.

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Credits:

Stoupa: written permission  to use his Pilsen Synagogue.
RedEye_Jir: written permission to use his objects from maps of Spain.
Uufflakke: written permission to use his objects towers.
Cyberolas: written permission to use his textures of villages.

I am glad to give proper credits also to large group of modders who helped in preparation
of this map in this or that way, first of all to betatesters who helped to remove several
bugs I made during the development of the map:
Kopfdorfer, agracier, RealDarko, nachprod aka Murdoc (for the idea of the project), Koloksaj, Greif11, David
Prosser, Mission_bug, Benno, Bravo, Airbourne,  walter_solito, Ian Boys, bomberkiller,
max_thehitman, Ectoflyer, nikmaving (who localised more than thousand bugs), Lagarto,
Karabas-Barabas, Wotan, Bussardi, Oknevas, Dancing Bear, andrey65, Skvorez, deSAD, Foton,
A.V.Sokolov (for his outstanding historical maps), Aragorn1963, in fact, all the SAS,
Aviaskins, Dispersalfield  communities as a whole.

If anybody forgotten, excuse me, please, my memory is not as reliable as several decades
ago, lol.

Patch 1
This patch contains  some missing objects in a vanilla Il2, where Canon's England and Southern Europe objkect packs might be  missing.

DCG Campaign for the Estonia Map by Vonofterdingen
http://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,38220.0.html

1.  insert the 3do folder of the patch 1 into #SAS/STD folder, let overwrite,
Title: Re: Estonia map ?
Post by: agracier on October 03, 2012, 07:16:46 AM
This would be a wonderful area to have as a map.
Title: Re: Estonia map ?
Post by: Kopfdorfer on October 03, 2012, 07:57:53 AM
Uzin this is a very interesting area, though with deference I suggest you stretch it a bit to the East (50-60 km?) to allow the Lake Peipus area to be further from the (eastern ) Map edge.
The reason for this suggestion is that for much of 1944 the Germans held the Russians in this area, and to me it would make sense to allow the Russians some "Forming up" space for missions for both air units and ground troops. In addition to the very interesting battles in the NE of this map area for much of 1944 , it would also be fantastic to represent Operation Beowulf , part of which was the German Amphibious invasion of Saaremaa in 1941 , the largest Island in the Gulf to the West of the Estonian Mainland.
Further , the Russians used bases in Estonia (on Saaremaa) to launch their earliest bombing raids on Berlin.

Everyone has heard of the great American, British and Canadian bomber stream that pounded Germany from the air during World War 2. These bombers are often credited with winning the war by destroying German industry and demoralizing the population. Indeed, the bombers of the western Allies did wreak havoc in Germany by day and night, but not too many people know that the Russians too had a strategic bombing campaign over Germany, and these raids were as terrible as any the British or Americans could construe.

The very first raid happened as the German forces were approaching Moscow in late 1941. Hitler's Directive 33, issued on 19 July, 1941, had called for a bombing campaign to soften the Soviet capital as a prelude to its proposed capture. Arriving over Moscow at 10 pm, the He.111Hs and JU.88As of KG3, 27, 53, 54 and 55 dropped a total of 104 tonnes of HE and 46,000 incendiaries for over 5 hours. The Soviets were prepared, however, and intense AA fire and over 300 searchlights managed to disperse the raiders.

The Luftwaffe would continue to strike at Moscow throughout 1941, but they never achieved Hitler's objective of reducing the city to rubble. On the contrary, they only stiffened the will of the Muscovites and prompted them to fight to the last.

The bombings enraged Stalin. He fumed over the fact that the Luftwaffe could hit his capital, but the puny bomber arm of the VVS (Voyenno-Vozdushny Sili, or Red Air Forces) could not strike back. Or could they? The VVS had undergone serious cutbacks in the '30s, and many of the Spanish Civil War veterans had been purged. But the USSR had to redeem her honour and take vengeance for the bombing of her capital city. Stalin demanded that the V-VS bomb Berlin. The raid was set for August 11, 1941, and was to be launched from Pushkino, near Leningrad.

This would not be the first time that Berlin had been bombed. The RAF had hit the city a number of times before, proving Göring's statement that "enemy bombs shall never fall on Berlin" to be false. Also, the Soviet navy, Voyenno Morsky Flot) had sent a token raid on August 7, using 14 Pe.8 heavy bombers. But this was to be the first major air raid conducted by the VVS on an enemy city so far away. The previous bombings of Helsinki and Belgrade would pale in comparison.

At that time, the VVS had only three aircraft types available that could reach a target that was becoming more and more distant with each day the German army advanced into Russia. Those were the Ilyushin Il-4, the Yermolayev Yer-2 and the Petlyakov Pe-8. In order to achieve the necessary range for the mission, these aircraft had to have their regular engines removed and replaced with long-range diesels. This was done at the order of Stalin himself.

On the same day as the small raid, 14 Pe-8s were assembled at Pushkino for their first sortie. Originally, 18 bombers had been dispatched to the field, but four had had to return to the factory due to engine malfunctions, while a fifth was almost shot down by anti-aircraft guns as it approached its destination.

Although experienced airline pilots, the selected aircrews would have considerable problems with formation flying or taking off and landing on unpaved runways. This would prove to be a serious handicap. Also a problem were the Pe-8's peculiar new ACh-30B diesel engines, of which fuel flow had to be adjusted by the pilot. Worse, the engine's RPMs fluctuated wildly, and occasionally the engines would just stop, especially at high altitudes. These problems were dealt with as quickly as possible so as not to hinder the raid.

Vodopyanov planned his route to around the coastlines of Estonia and Latvia, then across the Baltic to a landfall north of Stettin, hoping to avoid the Luftwaffe Jagdflieger. The total distance to Berlin was calculated at 1,680 miles, which would be flown at the Pe-8's long-range cruising speed of 175 mph and at an altitude of 23,000 feet. If they left at last light, the estimated time of arrival over Berlin would be around midnight.

Finally, at 9:15 p.m. on August 11, the 14 Pe-8s took to the sky. At about the same time, two squadrons of Il-4s from the 200th BAP took off from Saaremaa to join the attack. Colonel Nikolai I. Novodranov's 420th BAP was also ordered to send a squadron of Yer-2s to Berlin.

Things began to go wrong for the huge Pe-8s right from the start. As Major Konstantin P. Yegorov's plane was taking off, two of the new diesel engines cut out on the same side, sending it crashing to earth and killing all 11 crewmen. As the bombers made their way toward the Baltic, Captain Aleksandr N. Tyagunin's plane came under attack first by Finnish fighters and then by trigger-happy Soviet AA gunners, who sent it plunging into the sea.

Lieutenant Vasily D. Bidny was just 40 minutes from Pushkino when his right inner engine caught fire. He put out the flames by shutting down the engine, but as he flew over Danzig at 19,685 feet, the left outer engine failed, too. The Pe-8 was struggling to stay aloft on two engines with a full bombload, but descended to 6,560 feet. Bidny decided to hit the secondary target of Stettin and dropped his bombs on the Lauenburg railroad station. Bidny managed to bring his plane down safely near Leningrad, just as his last of fuel ran out.

The remaining 11 Pe-8s pressed on toward Berlin, releasing their bombloads over various parts of the city. Group leader Vodopyanov experienced no difficulties until he was only 12 minutes away from Berlin. At an altitude of 22,965 feet, one of his Pe-8's diesel engines began to falter. Vodopyanov had come too far to stop now, and he grimly kept the plane on course while German AA guns opened fire. He reached the target and his bombardier released the 8,188 pound bombload. Just then a flak shell hit the plane and sent shell splinters tearing into the fuselage and puncturing a fuel tank in the right wing. Vodopyanov calculated that he had about four hours' fuel left for a five-hour flight and ordered his navigator, Aleksandr P. Shtepenko, to abandon the originial circuitous return route and set a direct course for home.

Vodopyanov's troubles didn't stop there. His plane flew through a low pressure area and began to ice up. This in turn caused the instruments to frost over and become unreadable. By the time he got clear of the foul weather, Vodopyanov found himself down to 6,560 feet. He was then over Estonia, right over the German-Soviet front line. Navigator Shtepenko announced, "ETA base 30 minutes," but he spoke too soon, for at that very moment all four engines stopped dead. The large airplane came down in a forest, but Vodopyanov and his crew emerged unhurt and made their way to safety on the Soviet side of the lines.

In the end, only four of the other Pe-8 crews could claim to have made the round trip without incident when they arrived at Pushkino on the morning of August 12. Two other bombers turned up later in the day. Major Mikhail M. Ugryumov ran out of fuel and landed near a tractor factory outside of Kalinin, where he refuelled his plane from buckets and then returned home. Major Aleksandr A. Kurban's engines seized up several times, compelling him to restart them by going into shallow dives, consuming precious fuel each time. He ran out of fuel at Krasnoye Selo but force-landed his plane, refuelled and eventually made it to Pushkino. Three other Pe-8s were less fortunate. One pilot became disoriented and made his way to axis-ally Finland, where he and his crew were taken prisoner.

It had also been a disastrous mission for the 1st Squadron of the 420th BAP. Not only were its Yer-2s overloaded with fuel, but its pilots, veteran of Aeroflot, were appalled by the grass airstrip at Pushkino. When Lieutenant Aleksandr I. Molodschy tried to take off, both of his engines began to lose power and his brakes failed. Molodschy kept going at full throttle and took off, only to come down again and then run out of runway. The Yer-2 crashed, but Molodschy and his crew survived.

After several other Yer-2s suffered similar accidents, the mission was cancelled--though not before at least three Yer-2s had managed to take off. Low clouds forced Lieutenant Vladimir M. Malinin to descend to 2,700 feet before dropping his bombs over Berlin. He survived this hazardous manoeuvre only to be shot down by friendly fire on his return voyage. The entire crew was killed. Commandant V.A. Kubyshko also bombed the German capital, only to be attacked by several Soviet fighters during his return flight. His plane went down in flames, but he and his crew managed to bail out safely. The third Yer-2, piloted by Captain A.G. Stepanov, was last seen over Berlin, but never returned.

Upon his return, the mission commander and Pe-8 pilot, Major Vodopyanov was rushed to Moscow. Brought before Stalin and a roomful of Party officials, marshals and generals, Vodopyanov was asked for a mission report and summary.

"Eleven of our aircraft reached the target, six aircraft regained their base, one was shot down by our own anti-aircraft artillery, one is missing and the rest made forced landings owing to engine failures. My aircraft crash-landed in a forest."

Vodopyanov then lost his composure and cried out:

"I'm ready to tear out those damned diesels with my teeth! Engines must be reliable for operational flying, and flying with these diesels means the loss of aircraft and men."

In spite of the attack on Stalin's personal decision, the dictator listened as Vodopyanov concluded with a request for navigational beacons.

When a Party Official shot back at Vodopyanov for his request, Stalin spoke up, ending the argument and dismissing Vodopyanov. Colonel Aleksandr E. Golovanov replaced Vodopyanov in command of the 81st DBAD soon afterward. Vodopyanov was assigned to assist in testing a Pe-8 with Shvetsov M-82 radial engines in place of the Charomsky diesels. Also, a homing beacon called Pchelka (little bee) was introduced at V-VS air bases. The realities of war had changed Stalin's attitude since the terrifying days of his prewar purges.

Despite the problems with the Pe-8s, they soldiered on. On September 1, a completely successful Pe-8 raid on Königsberg was effected. Raids on Berlin continued, too. Naval DB-3s flew a total of 10 sorties over Berlin before their base at Saaremaa had to be evacuated in the face of imminent German capture. The final attack was made on the night of September 4-5. A total of 86 naval aircraft participated in the raids, of which 33 were reported to have reached Berlin, while others bombed secondary targets, including Stettin, Königsberg, Memel, Danzig, Swinemünde and Libau. Daylight bombing was even tried, but met with no success and was cancelled.

Although given a high priority, the Soviet raids were never intended to have carry the same weight as the RAF, RCAF and USAAF raids in the west. They were performed merely to pay the Germans back for their equally ineffective attacks on Moscow and provide a much needed boost to morale on the home front. It is kind of ironic that while the bombing of Germany's capital was left mainly to the airmen operating from southern England, it was the humble Soviet infantryman that dealt the city's final death blow, capturing it block by bloodily contested block.

German occupation in Estonia 1941-1944

The German occupation power in Estonia, 1941-44The Estonian soldiers in World War II in three different uniformsHolocaust in EstoniaNational resistance to the German occupation in Estonia 1941-1944Attempt to restore Estonian independence in 1944more?Germany had no intention of restoring the independence of the countries occupied by the Soviet Union in 1940. The Baltic countries and Belarus were now subjected to civilian occupation power. Four general commissariats were united into one state commissariat, Ostland, which in turn was answerable to the Ministry for the Occupied Eastern Territories, headed by Alfred Rosenberg. The laws valid before 20 June 1940 were restored if they were in compliance with German laws. The local administrative body operated at the general commissariat level – the Estonian Self-Administration headed by Hjalmar Mäe. The reasons for the relatively relaxed occupation regime in Estonia, compared with, for example, Latvia, include the fierce anti-Soviet sentiments of the Estonians, their higher standing in the German ‘race table’, the closeness of Finland, the civil and military double power, and the fact that Estonia was a strategically important rear area, a purveyor of agricultural products, and the producer of oil shale. Oil shale became increasingly important as Germany’s fuel deposits fell into the hands of the enemy.
?Political repression in the occupied territories, including Estonia, was supervised by Heinrich Himmler’s SS and police system. The German security police in Estonia were established on the basis of the Einsatzgruppe A Sonderkommando 1a, who arrived here together with the Wehrmacht. The Estonian security police were subservient to their German counterpart. By early 1942, all of the one thousand Jews still in Estonia were exterminated. Along with the Estonian Jews, about 8000 other Estonian citizens were killed. The main non-racial accusation was cooperation with the Soviet regime (participation in the crimes of the Soviet regime, simply belonging to the Communist Party, etc). In the course of the German occupation, other Jews brought to the concentration camps in Estonian territory from elsewhere in Europe were killed there, a total of 7500-7800 people. Among those who arrested and killed Jews were Estonians serving in the German secret police and army. In addition, about one third of the approximately 45,000 war prisoners held in Estonia perished, mostly due to exhaustion and epidemics.
?There was no guerrilla movement in Estonia comparable to that in France or in the Balkans. For the majority of the Estonian population, enemy number one was the Soviet Union, which had destroyed their independent statehood and local national elite, as well as eliminating private ownership and previous social relations. The activity of the Soviet partisans despatched to Estonia was thus insignificant. They managed a few acts of disruption, but because of the population’s anti-Soviet sentiments, most of them tried to simply hide at their relatives’, were quickly captured or gave themselves up voluntarily. The national resistance movement that emerged among the intelligentsia and aspired to restore independence became much more widespread. After people lost hope in autumn 1941 that the Germans were going to restore Estonia’s independence, and after the declaration of the Atlantic Charter, they directed their efforts towards the Western countries. The pre-war acute political discord between the pro-government people and those supporting opposition parties was overcome in early 1944, when the last Prime Minister, Jüri Uluots, cooperated with the underground National Committee of the Republic of Estonia. Despite their anti-German orientation, the national resistance movement considered it essential to oppose the invading Red Army. In September 1944, when the Germans were leaving, Prime Minister Jüri Uluots, acting as President, formed the government headed by Otto Tief. After Estonia was occupied by the Red Army, the members of the resistance movement were arrested and sent to prison camps.

The Red Army invasion of Estonia in 1944

The Red Army in wrecked Narva in 1944
Related items
War events in Estonia in 1944Attempt to restore Estonian independence in 1944The Great Escape to the West in 1944The Estonian soldiers in World War II in three different uniformsmore
German military cemetery in Narva in 1944
?Warfare reached the Estonian territory again in February 1944, when the Red Army broke the Leningrad blockade and quickly moved westwards. Despite the pessimism of the German army command’s land forces, Adolf Hitler considered it important to hold Estonia. Abandoning Estonia would have meant a threat by the Red Army’s Baltic fleet to German delivery of iron ore from Sweden, Germany’s ally Finland would have been in a difficult position, and Estonian oil shale was essential to the war industry. A large number of additional troops were sent to Estonia, including the 20th Estonian SS-division, which was constantly supplemented with new conscripts. In the bloody battles from February to March the attack of the Red Army was halted on the Narva front, and warfare almost ceased until July. The Red Army took some of its troops to Finland, and the eastern front focused on Belarus. Several German divisions were transferred from the Narva front to Belarus, and replaced by the newly formed Estonian troops. At the end of July, the Germans abandoned the Narva front and retreated ca 25 km westwards, to prepared positions in the Sinimäed Hills. The Red Army attempts to break through in the Sinimäed Hills were repelled at an enormous cost in human life. In early August, the Red Army began an attack in north-eastern Latvia and made its way to the Emajõgi River by the end of the month, where the front stabilised. The Red Army’s success in Latvia and Lithuania posed a threat that the troops still in Estonia would be cut off and on 16 September Hitler agreed to abandon mainland Estonia. The Red Army attack started on 17 September; the 8th Estonian rifle brigade took part as well. The German army retreated quickly from the south-east, the Narva River and the Sinimäed Hills, leaving the Estonian troops in a difficult situation. Tallinn was given up on 22 September. Bloody battles were fought on Saaremaa Island, where the Red Army conquered the Sõrve Peninsula only on 24 November 1944.

Caravan of refugees in September 1944
?In autumn 1944, approximately 70,000 Estonians fled from Estonia to Germany and Sweden. Upon arrival, they were installed in refugee camps. Integration of the refugees into the local society happened more quickly in Sweden, whereas in war-ravaged Germany many had to stay in refugee camps until the late 1940s. The Soviet Union’s aggressive repatriation politics caused fear in many people that they might be forcefully returned to the Soviet Union. This resulted in the ‘second wave of migration’ – refugees moved on to the USA, Canada etc, sometimes using unsuitable ships for ocean travel.
?Immediately after conquering Estonia, the Soviet security forces embarked on active suppression of the resistance movement and arrested the Estonians who had served in the German or Finnish armies. In less than a year, over 10,000 people were arrested. Some Estonian war prisoners placed in filter camps were sent to Red Army units, some to prison camps, and some were freed. At the same time, about 20,000 men were mobilised into the Red Army. The resistance movement managed to operate until the early 1950s.
?In World War II Estonia lost a total of 200,000 people: executed, killed in action, imprisoned, deported, mobilised, forcefully evacuated and those who fled the country (some later managed to return). Material damage was relatively minor compared to that in western Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Poland and Germany. The town of Narva was totally destroyed, and extensive damage was done to Tartu, Mustvee and Tallinn, in the latter especially during the bombing raids in March 1944. The ‘scorched-earth’ tactics employed by the Soviets in 1941 and by the Germans in 1944 failed because of the single-minded resistance of the population.
?At the conferences in Yalta and Potsdam, the Soviet Union successfully persuaded the Western allies to leave the Baltic countries to the Union. Non-recognition politics nevertheless continued. For Estonia, the political consequences of World War II ended with the restoration of independence in 1991 and the Russian troops leaving the country in 1994.

I think this would be a very fine addition to the Maps of IL2 , and Uzin your detailed work would make a fantastic map.
I hope you pick up this project. I would certainly fly on it!

Kopfdorfer
Title: Re: Estonia map ?
Post by: Uzin on October 03, 2012, 09:03:15 AM
Thank you very much, Kopfdorfer. I hope your amazing text would be nice introduction to the map release in the future, all credits would be to you, of course.
Murdoc also mentioned on the war actions during WW I in this area, perhaps he also will add some more info.
Title: Re: Estonia map ?
Post by: agracier on October 03, 2012, 09:23:38 AM
Murdoc also mentioned on the war actions during WW I in this area, perhaps he also will add some more info.

In 1917 the Germans conducted an amphibious operation to take the city of Riga ... it was a successful operation, unlike the Dardanelles. But I'm not sure if there was any real air activity historically during or immediately after the landings. Probably there was to a degree, but not intensively I would surmise. But who's to prevent a bit of alternative mission building?

The first true land-naval-air combined amphibious operation was not carried out until 1925 - in Spanish Morocco near the city of Alhucemas. Some 20 000 troops were landed on 2 beaches west of Alhucemas. It led to the defeat the rebellious Rif tribesmen and ended what seemed like a hopeless colonial war for the Spanish government. But that is for another map ...
Title: Re: Estonia map ?
Post by: Kopfdorfer on October 03, 2012, 11:04:35 AM
I can't take credit for the text , only for posting it here. Two parts are from the Encyclopedia of Estonia Website , and the other a site I don't remember. I was aware of some of this history generally ( some famous land battles including the Tiger tank ace Otto Carius ) and specifically because one of my best friends is Estonian , and we often discuss the WW II history of the Baltic Region.

Kopfdorfer
Title: Re: Estonia map ?
Post by: RealDarko on October 03, 2012, 01:29:05 PM
Kopfdorfer, thanks for the bombing explanation.
Title: Re: Estonia map ?
Post by: MURD0C on October 04, 2012, 04:27:30 AM
http://airaces.narod.ru/ww1/seversk1.htm
http://airaces.narod.ru/ww1/safon_mi.htm
http://wunderwaffe.narod.ru/HistoryBook/TragedyofErrors/Albion.htm
http://www.battleships.spb.ru/Germ/Goeben/moltke_history.html
http://www.battleships.spb.ru/Germ/Goeben/moltke_history.html
Title: Re: Estonia map ?
Post by: Uzin on October 04, 2012, 07:52:47 AM
Thanks to Murdoc, we can see that there are real historical air fights and campaigns in the area worth to be simulated in Il2, not only the what-if ones. It is a pity that the texts are not yet translated into English. Another possible task for anybody capable of that. Volunteers would be welcome !  ;)
Title: Re: Estonia map ?
Post by: David Prosser on October 13, 2012, 12:25:16 AM
Hi, Uzin. It looks like this map could be used in both wars then.

cheers

David Prosser
Title: Re: Estonia map ?
Post by: Mission_bug on October 13, 2012, 06:26:40 AM
I think this map would be a superb addition to the sim Uzin, I look forward to using it some time in the future. 8)

Wishing you all the very best, Pete. ;D
Title: Re: Estonia map ?
Post by: Benno on November 12, 2012, 06:44:22 AM
It would be very nice , Uzin !
Benno :P
Title: Re: Estonia map ?
Post by: Uzin on January 02, 2013, 02:16:10 PM
Estonia map is still WIP, preparing for autopopping the cities and so on. Just some teasing :  ;)

(http://i734.photobucket.com/albums/ww341/Uzin_2009/th_Estoniamap_zpsfa22898b.jpg) (http://s734.beta.photobucket.com/user/Uzin_2009/media/Estoniamap_zpsfa22898b.jpg.html) (http://i734.photobucket.com/albums/ww341/Uzin_2009/th_Ventspils_zps1742baea.jpg) (http://s734.beta.photobucket.com/user/Uzin_2009/media/Ventspils_zps1742baea.jpg.html) (http://i734.photobucket.com/albums/ww341/Uzin_2009/th_Haapsalu_zps92b5fdb4.jpg) (http://s734.beta.photobucket.com/user/Uzin_2009/media/Haapsalu_zps92b5fdb4.jpg.html) (http://i734.photobucket.com/albums/ww341/Uzin_2009/th_Kogul_zpsdef8a505.jpg) (http://s734.beta.photobucket.com/user/Uzin_2009/media/Kogul_zpsdef8a505.jpg.html)
(http://i734.photobucket.com/albums/ww341/Uzin_2009/th_Kuressaare_zpsb07bb6c7.jpg) (http://s734.beta.photobucket.com/user/Uzin_2009/media/Kuressaare_zpsb07bb6c7.jpg.html) (http://i734.photobucket.com/albums/ww341/Uzin_2009/th_Narva_zps008d8dd2.jpg) (http://s734.beta.photobucket.com/user/Uzin_2009/media/Narva_zps008d8dd2.jpg.html) (http://i734.photobucket.com/albums/ww341/Uzin_2009/th_Pskov_zpsfe0fde29.jpg) (http://s734.beta.photobucket.com/user/Uzin_2009/media/Pskov_zpsfe0fde29.jpg.html) (http://i734.photobucket.com/albums/ww341/Uzin_2009/th_Tartu_zps908e17dd.jpg) (http://s734.beta.photobucket.com/user/Uzin_2009/media/Tartu_zps908e17dd.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Estonia map ?
Post by: BravoFxTrt on January 02, 2013, 03:17:46 PM
Teasing is good Mate!
Title: Re: Estonia map ?
Post by: Airbourne on January 03, 2013, 04:02:35 AM
My mouth is watering!
Title: Re: Estonia map ?
Post by: Uzin on February 26, 2013, 10:07:22 AM
Report on some progress:  villages and towns autopopped  on the map, now working on landmarks.
Here is Riga Old Town:

(https://s6.postimg.cc/94tuwhhi9/Riga_Old_Town_1_zps510d19fa.jpg)
and Tallin Old Town:

(https://s6.postimg.cc/4wz2nqg2p/Tallin_Old_Town_1_zps4791687b.jpg)
Title: Re: Estonia map ?
Post by: Whiskey_Sierra_972 on February 26, 2013, 10:17:22 AM
Really promising!!!
Title: Re: Estonia map ?
Post by: Ian Boys on February 26, 2013, 11:19:48 AM
Interesting for 1941 too.
Title: Re: Estonia map ?
Post by: Mission_bug on February 26, 2013, 12:25:36 PM
Looking superb, really looking forward to seeing this finished. 8)

Wishing you all the very best, Pete. ;D
Title: Re: Estonia map ?
Post by: Kopfdorfer on February 26, 2013, 03:22:08 PM
Go Uzin!!!

Kopfdorfer
Title: Re: Estonia map ?
Post by: bomberkiller on February 26, 2013, 05:22:40 PM
Hello Uzin,

I am waiting for your great map!

And please, give your cat from me a kiss on the nose (again)!

She deserves it because she just so inspired and you can work relaxed.  ;D

Gerhard

(Ich weiss, mein englisch ist scheisse...)
Title: Re: Estonia map ?
Post by: Uzin on February 27, 2013, 04:27:14 AM
@bomberkiller:
Title: Re: Estonia map ?
Post by: bomberkiller on February 27, 2013, 04:53:50 AM
Thank you (your cat) very much.

;D
Title: Re: Estonia map ?
Post by: Uzin on March 03, 2013, 08:38:17 AM
Parnu Old Town and harbour.

(https://s6.postimg.cc/q7wmrzy75/Parnu_Old_Townandharbour_zps8946d75f.jpg)
Title: Re: Estonia map ?
Post by: max_thehitman on March 09, 2013, 05:56:52 PM

Its looking Great Uzin!  8)

Title: Re: Estonia map ?
Post by: Uzin on April 10, 2013, 03:26:45 PM
Here is airport in Ülemiste (south-east of Tallin) done for Il2 map of Estonia, one of the few which there are historical data available:

(https://s6.postimg.cc/u5ohv5ae9/Airfield_Uumllemistein_Il2_zps510f3ee3.jpg)
Title: Re: Estonia map - betatesters needed
Post by: Uzin on April 25, 2013, 02:42:20 AM
Hi,
the map of Estonia is almost finished.
Please, write PM everybody who has free time for betatesting, prior to release.
Title: Re: Estonia map ?
Post by: Uzin on April 29, 2013, 10:09:29 AM
Estonia map has been sent to betatesters.
Title: Re: Estonia map ?
Post by: Ectoflyer on April 29, 2013, 10:40:14 AM
Estonia map has been sent to betatesters.

good news! :)
Title: Re: Estonia map ?
Post by: nikmaving on April 29, 2013, 11:35:22 AM
hello.i had no problems installing it.i had to change memory allocation in selector to 1024mb due to out of memory error at 512mb.had a quick fly about and it looks beautiful.thank you very much Uzin.a fantastic map.
Title: Re: Estonia map ?
Post by: Uzin on May 07, 2013, 03:47:46 AM
The work on repairing bugs of the map as found by betatesters is running.
In connection with this work, different opinions arose as to equipping the grass airfields by tents, wooden tower, fuel tanks, buildings etc., to the contrary request of some mission makers who prefer absence of these objects there. It would be useful to know the opinions of more users, in order to make the map more friendly.
Title: Re: Estonia map ?
Post by: agracier on May 07, 2013, 04:13:17 AM
The work on repairing bugs of the map as found by betatesters is running.
In connection with this work, different opinions arose as to equipping the grass airfields by tents, wooden tower, fuel tanks, buildings etc., to the contrary request of some mission makers who prefer absence of these objects there. It would be useful to know the opinions of more users, in order to make the map more friendly.

Regular players don't really have the time to wade through several thousand objects in order to build even a basic airfield ... even making missions with aircraft only is time-consuming enough ... so please, make the airfields with buildings, hangars, sheds etc so that making a mission doesn't become a week long project ... in fact, make them as complete as possible ...
Title: Re: Estonia map ?
Post by: Whiskey_Sierra_972 on May 07, 2013, 04:15:47 AM
I agree at 100% with the great Agracier!!!
Title: Re: Estonia map ?
Post by: Lagarto on May 07, 2013, 04:26:22 AM
In connection with this work, different opinions arose as to equipping the grass airfields by tents, wooden tower, fuel tanks, buildings etc., to the contrary request of some mission makers who prefer absence of these objects there.

Yes, as agracier said, populate airfields with objects - but please, keep the objects away from runways. Stock maps have all sorts of objects, for example wooden watchtowers, placed close to the edge of a runway, which is plain dangerous and unrealistic.
Generally speaking, I prefer open airfields (covered with blank plates), wherever it is historically justified, as they usually look so much better than the ones with grass/dirt runways.
Title: Re: Estonia map ?
Post by: Benno on May 08, 2013, 03:34:14 AM
Hi'
Got the Beta today  !! Thank you
:D Benno
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: Uzin on June 04, 2013, 10:39:23 AM
Finally, after more than twice two weeks as promised, the map is released.
It may by d/l here :

or at the first post of this thread.

EDIT: repaired bug shown below by Gumpy here:

Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: SAS~Bombsaway on June 04, 2013, 10:44:31 AM
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: Gumpy on June 04, 2013, 11:38:13 AM
Great map Uzin thanks.Only one bug so far. (http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/Bingo1957/0406201310-23-13_zps32495ae6.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/Bingo1957/media/0406201310-23-13_zps32495ae6.jpg.html)  (http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/Bingo1957/0406201310-23-39_zpsf1235fba.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/Bingo1957/media/0406201310-23-39_zpsf1235fba.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: Uzin on June 04, 2013, 12:02:17 PM
Thx, Gumpy, going to repair it immediately.

EDIT:
Here is the corrected map, link repaired also in first post.

Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: cgagan on June 04, 2013, 01:41:51 PM
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: BravoFxTrt on June 04, 2013, 01:48:11 PM
Cool, got it working in my HSFX/SAS MA Install. Thanks to Uzin and your Cat
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: Kopfdorfer on June 04, 2013, 01:49:13 PM
Congratulations Uzin - I am so pleased that you have made this map!
I shall install it immediately.

Thank you.

Kopfdorfer
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: sphantom on June 04, 2013, 07:54:15 PM
Nice screen shot bravo
Great map too Thanks Uzin
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: nikmaving on June 07, 2013, 06:33:06 PM
It's fantastic to see your wonderful map released.a big thank you for giving me the chance to beta test it for you and the fantastic credit you gave me. i'm glad my input helped in turning Estonia from WIP to full release.the whole community has benefited from your time,attention to detail and excellent map making skills.If you need any testing on future projects i will be very happy to oblige.thanks again.  :)
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: Aragorn1963 on June 08, 2013, 01:00:42 AM
Excellent, Uzin, thank you very much for this great map.

In a pm message Uzin told me he is willing to consider a winter version of the Estonia map if enough people are interested. If anyone else but me is interested in such a map, please say so. It is all up to Uzin of course whether he will do it, but he understandably first needs to know we would like to see a winter Estonia map.
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: sphantom on June 08, 2013, 10:21:28 AM
If I remember History right there was a few battles in that general area.
And yes I would like to see a winter map. Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: Uzin on June 08, 2013, 11:33:57 AM
There was also great air battle in late summer 1944 at lake Peipus (east part of it called lake Chud) , where both sides used several gunships on the lake attacked by airplanes. There is interesting paper on these fights in russian:

http://www.airwar.ru/history/av2ww/soviet/chudskoe/chudskoe.html

It is undoubtedly worth to use Google Translator.

Very nice overview of the battles in the area are given by Kopfdorfer at the first page of this thread, too.
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: Mission_bug on June 09, 2013, 07:54:21 AM
Outstanding map Uzin, superbly done, thank you very much. 8)

Tried a simple AI mission and I can report no problems for me in my 4.11.1 with SAS Modact 4. ;)

(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm42/Mission_bug/Estonia1-2_zps98b5abe6.jpg) (http://s293.photobucket.com/user/Mission_bug/media/Estonia1-2_zps98b5abe6.jpg.html)

(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm42/Mission_bug/Estonia2-2_zps2c2fb5ec.jpg) (http://s293.photobucket.com/user/Mission_bug/media/Estonia2-2_zps2c2fb5ec.jpg.html)

(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm42/Mission_bug/Estonia3-2_zps004e07ff.jpg) (http://s293.photobucket.com/user/Mission_bug/media/Estonia3-2_zps004e07ff.jpg.html)

Wishing you all the very best, Pete. ;D
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: cgagan on June 09, 2013, 09:43:21 AM
Same here (SASModAct4, 4.11.1). Great map!!!!
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: agracier on June 09, 2013, 10:00:29 AM
Nice screenshots ... the map background looks very convincing as an urban backdrop ...
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: Darth_Dooboss on June 10, 2013, 02:07:21 AM
Superb work!!!

Simply amazing. Now we only need a campaign to test it.  ;)

Thanks for this map
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: Uzin on June 11, 2013, 01:49:49 AM
Dear friends,
I installed only now the Il2 ver.4.11_1 withSAS Modact 4.0, and, having it vanilla, i found that there are some object missing, so preventing the saving of missions. The Patch 1 in the first post of this thread repairs this error, for which I must apologise to everybody wha had such trouble.
The list of missing object in vanilla install is here:

buildings.House$jetty1 buildings.House$jetty3
buildings.House$SEmuseum buildings.House$jetty2
buildings.House$jetty5 buildings.House$jetty6
buildings.House$englishcityblock buildings.House$englishcityblock2
buildings.House$large_warehouse buildings.House$batterseagas
buildings.House$batterseagaslow buildings.House$breakwaterbastion
buildings.House$breakwater1 buildings.House$breakwaterlight
buildings.House$enginehouse buildings.House$jetty4
buildings.House$oldwharf buildings.House$terrace
buildings.House\$terrace2
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: LuseKofte on July 03, 2013, 01:20:54 PM
i AM CTD when I try to load this map in FMB
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: Uzin on July 03, 2013, 01:59:58 PM
i AM CTD when I try to load this map in FMB
What version of Il2 ?
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: LuseKofte on July 03, 2013, 03:23:01 PM
DBW 1,7 Never happend to me before.
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: Uzin on July 03, 2013, 03:48:05 PM
DBW 1,7 Never happend to me before.
Weird. I hope the reason is elsewhere, not in the map itself.
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: LuseKofte on July 03, 2013, 03:59:46 PM
I will give you a report when I find out
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: Uzin on July 03, 2013, 04:20:58 PM
I tried once again Estonia map in my DBW1.71 install, created mission in FMB and flied it , as you can see below. My rig works at 3GHz, with 4GB RAM, at winXP. DBW1.71 runs at external 500 GB disk flawlessly, size of the modded version is over 30 GB.
N.B. : LaGG3 over Tallin is on the picture.

(http://i734.photobucket.com/albums/ww341/Uzin_2009/LaGG3overTallin_zps576b14fd.jpg)
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: Uzin on July 08, 2013, 05:14:31 AM
Hi, folks,
didn't anybody found the places with working swamps and quicksand at Estonia map?
Virtual bottle of wine is awaiting the first virpil !   ;)
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: sphantom on July 09, 2013, 07:15:00 PM
Works great in 4.12 just add the map/3do/and the static ini that's all
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: Mixx on July 15, 2013, 04:48:56 AM
Ivan!
Thanks for the map of Estonia!
Very interesting towns and villages are made, good textures.
Works great in 4.09- 4.12!
Good luck and good health!
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: vonofterdingen on August 16, 2013, 05:28:26 PM
If anyone would like to explore this map with a campaign beyond the scope of quick missions, I have been putting together a DCG campaign that I am willing to share. It is a work in progress (I have just begun testing myself) but I think it would be fun for someone who would want to explore this wonderful map. If Uzin and/or SAS have any objections to me positing it here, I will happily move it to one of the mission folders. It seemed appropriate here though since it has no value without the Estonia map. The following campaigns are available in this version:

German:   BF-109F, Stuka, BF-110, HE-111
Russian:   LaGG3, PE-2, and IL-2

(http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll422/vonofterdingen/il2fb2013-08-1616-03-32-16.png) (http://s314.photobucket.com/user/vonofterdingen/media/il2fb2013-08-1616-03-32-16.png.html)

(http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll422/vonofterdingen/il2fb2013-08-1616-01-24-52.png) (http://s314.photobucket.com/user/vonofterdingen/media/il2fb2013-08-1616-01-24-52.png.html)
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: Uzin on August 17, 2013, 01:54:17 AM
Hi, vonofterdingen,
thank you for your warm words and using the Estonia map,
I have no objections, placement of your post depends on SAS admins solely.
Greetings,
Ivan
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: Uzin on September 07, 2013, 04:12:22 AM
Finally !  ;)
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: sphantom on September 07, 2013, 07:00:30 AM
Looks good at least they did not shoot the cook. Thanks like your maps have them all
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: Aragorn1963 on December 07, 2013, 12:13:32 AM
Excellent, Uzin, thank you very much for this great map.

In a pm message Uzin told me he is willing to consider a winter version of the Estonia map if enough people are interested. If anyone else but me is interested in such a map, please say so. It is all up to Uzin of course whether he will do it, but he understandably first needs to know we would like to see a winter Estonia map.

An appeal to all people interested in a winter version of this great map. Please let it be known here that you would like a winter version. As stated above it is up to Uzin whether he will consider it, but perhaps it helps to know that enough people are interested in a winter map of Estonia.
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: Uzin on December 07, 2013, 03:09:12 AM
Hi, Aragorn1963,
Perhaps you noticed that I am now engaged in the map of Poland, so
I could return to Estonia map and make its winter version not earlier than in the end of summer next year.
Nevertheless, I have no objections if anybody else would be so kind and make the winter Estonia earlier.
Here are very talented guys capable of doing this task, they have my full permission to do so.
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: Aragorn1963 on December 08, 2013, 09:57:25 AM
Hi Uzin, well, I must admit a map of Poland would be even more welcome, than a winter map of Estonia. I can wait. Would you consider to make a winter map of Poland too perhaps?
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: Uzin on December 08, 2013, 11:26:53 AM
Hi Uzin, well, I must admit a map of Poland would be even more welcome, than a winter map of Estonia. I can wait. Would you consider to make a winter map of Poland too perhaps?
I'll try to make both, if I'll live, lol.
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: Aragorn1963 on December 09, 2013, 11:28:42 PM
Hi Uzin, well, I must admit a map of Poland would be even more welcome, than a winter map of Estonia. I can wait. Would you consider to make a winter map of Poland too perhaps?
I'll try to make both, if I'll live, lol.

Than I will pray for your survival, Uzin.  ;)

I love winter maps, especially in winter. Nothing better than to fly over snowy woods and fields.
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: CzechTexan on December 25, 2013, 01:55:11 PM
I really like this map too.  I was just looking over it last night and appreciating the territory that it covers and debating on what type of campaign to make!  Thank you for this map!
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: Jami on January 27, 2014, 05:10:06 AM
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: Uzin on January 27, 2014, 09:03:58 AM
That folder is included in the pack Estonia.7z you d/l, nevertheless,  it can be d/l separately  here:

http://uloz.to/xp2zCjeW/estonia-tex-7z:

Note: click  "Stahnout" on yellow bkgd.

Good luck !

Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: Jami on January 27, 2014, 03:00:27 PM
Thanks Uzin for your quick reply, and sorry for asking because it was my mistake - something went wrong with the extraction. I did it again and found all necessary there, installed files and everything works fine. It really is a beautiful map - nice work.
BTW, do you happen to have any kind of information of the Russian WWII airfields around Leningrad and on the eastern side of lakes Ladoga and Onega up to Sorokka/Kemi?
I have a few photos but I'd like to know more about them.
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: Uzin on January 27, 2014, 04:29:10 PM
Thanks Uzin for your quick reply, and sorry for asking because it was my mistake - something went wrong with the extraction. I did it again and found all necessary there, installed files and everything works fine. It really is a beautiful map - nice work.
BTW, do you happen to have any kind of information of the Russian WWII airfields around Leningrad and on the eastern side of lakes Ladoga and Onega up to Sorokka/Kemi?
I have a few photos but I'd like to know more about them.
That area was of interest to Dancing Bear, who tried to improve the Finns Gulf  default map, about a year ago. He was discussing that area at disperslfield.ru and at Aviaskins. Unfortunately, he did not finished the work because of RL . I am not sure if he reads the Il2 pages now, but as far as I remember, he offered his data to a successor. His pages are here:

http://dispersalfield.ru/main/index.php/board,23.0.html

N.B. : As far as I know , Dancing Bear is better in French than in English.

N.B.2: Dancing Bear's map making is on pages:

http://dispersalfield.ru/main/index.php/topic,528.0.html
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: Jami on January 28, 2014, 01:50:26 AM
Thanks for the links Uzin. There were intersting airfield more or less under construction. The problem is that I don't understand Russian - few words and phrases only, but I know the Cyrillic letters so I found some familiar airfields. The reason why I am interested in these fields is that I have done cooperation with Kapteeni and Agracier concerning their maps of Finland. I have reworked all the airfields that FAF used historically as correct as possible according to Finnish military documents. I've done the same with the stock Gulf of Finland map which was retextured by Kapteeni. Those maps include also many Russian airfields and I'd like to rework also them if I got the historical information.

I've planned to share my work here in the near future, but if I take the Russian airfields under constuction it will take a little longer...
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: Uzin on January 29, 2014, 05:35:25 AM
Thanks for the links Uzin. There were intersting airfield more or less under construction. The problem is that I don't understand Russian - few words and phrases only, but I know the Cyrillic letters so I found some familiar airfields. The reason why I am interested in these fields is that I have done cooperation with Kapteeni and Agracier concerning their maps of Finland. I have reworked all the airfields that FAF used historically as correct as possible according to Finnish military documents. I've done the same with the stock Gulf of Finland map which was retextured by Kapteeni. Those maps include also many Russian airfields and I'd like to rework also them if I got the historical information.

I've planned to share my work here in the near future, but if I take the Russian airfields under constuction it will take a little longer...
Hi, Jami,
I wrote yesterday to deSADE of Aviaskins and he promised to join with you as for the work of Dancing Bear on aiefielfs around Leningrad. I hope the international collaboration will begin , lol.   ;)
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: Jami on January 29, 2014, 06:34:59 AM
I wrote yesterday to deSADE of Aviaskins and he promised to join with you as for the work of Dancing Bear on aiefielfs around Leningrad. I hope the international collaboration will begin , lol.

Thanks a lot. We'll see what's going to happen...
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: Lagarto on January 29, 2014, 07:01:21 PM
Thank you Uzin for this map. I just got it working. Couldn't help trying it out with various textures :)

http://www.sas1946.com/images/imageshit/a/img577/9959/hlf1.jpg (http://www.sas1946.com/images/imageshit/a/img577/9959/hlf1.jpg)
http://www.sas1946.com/images/imageshit/a/img534/5561/tlx5.jpg (http://www.sas1946.com/images/imageshit/a/img534/5561/tlx5.jpg)
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: David Prosser on January 29, 2014, 07:29:28 PM

This map covers a lot of the territory that made up the Eastern Front in WW I if I recall correctly.
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: Uzin on January 29, 2014, 11:44:50 PM
Thank you Uzin for this map. I just got it working. Couldn't help trying it out with various textures :)

http://www.sas1946.com/images/imageshit/a/img577/9959/hlf1.jpg (http://www.sas1946.com/images/imageshit/a/img577/9959/hlf1.jpg)
http://www.sas1946.com/images/imageshit/a/img534/5561/tlx5.jpg (http://www.sas1946.com/images/imageshit/a/img534/5561/tlx5.jpg)
You are welcome.
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: Lagarto on March 05, 2014, 10:33:34 AM
With Uzin's blessing, I'm presenting the results of some more experiments with the Estonian landscapes:

Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: RealDarko on March 05, 2014, 01:15:55 PM
Look pretty cool! Well done mate!
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: CzechTexan on March 05, 2014, 03:05:07 PM
I like your re-texturing too.  I also changed the woods in my folder to the stock Russian forest type.
I like this map!
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: Uzin on March 06, 2014, 01:26:10 AM
I am looking forward to the release of re-textured map of Estonia (and of any other of my maps)
as I believe  it will be for the benefit of Il-2 community. Feel free to modify !
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: Benno on March 06, 2014, 03:56:16 AM
Sounds nice Uzin  !!
Benno
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: max_thehitman on March 06, 2014, 07:45:21 AM
I am looking forward to the release of re-textured map of Estonia (and of any other of my maps)
as I believe  it will be for the benefit of Il-2 community. Feel free to modify !

More re-texturing of map?
GREAT NEWS! Thank you Uzin. This is a great map, I enjoy it very much.
More re-texturing is always great news.
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: Uzin on March 06, 2014, 08:31:02 AM
I am looking forward to the release of re-textured map of Estonia (and of any other of my maps)
as I believe  it will be for the benefit of Il-2 community. Feel free to modify !

More re-texturing of map?
GREAT NEWS! Thank you Uzin. This is a great map, I enjoy it very much.
More re-texturing is always great news.

I am not sure that I expressed it understandable: I mean re-terxturing by more talented guys who presented here the pictures, not my work. As you know I am fully engaged in Poland map now.
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: Lagarto on March 06, 2014, 07:05:08 PM
Basically, what I'm trying to do, is to break the monotony of the landscape - no easy task as most textures cover urban areas.
I changed the previous color of individual trees to merge them better with 3D forests.

Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: max_thehitman on March 06, 2014, 11:21:15 PM
Basically, what I'm trying to do, is to break the monotony of the landscape - no easy task as most textures cover urban areas.
I changed the previous color of individual trees to merge them better with 3D forests.

OH!  8) That looks BEAUTIFUL!
I would like to see that texture on all my wood areas. Looks great Lagarto!

Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: bomberkiller on March 08, 2014, 04:09:51 AM
Hello Uzin,

Amazing!!!

Thank you very much,

Gerhard

(I'm sad, my cat (Scarlett) has gone forever...)
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: Fresco23 on March 08, 2014, 11:37:19 AM
(I'm sad, my cat (Scarlett) has gone forever...)

:( That's sad, my sweet, adorable cat (Sally) is ancient... and I'm afraid she could go at any time... so I can imagine how you must feel.
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: Lagarto on March 08, 2014, 06:03:14 PM

Meanwhile, I did a little research on Luftwaffe operations over Estonia. Arguably the most famous scrap in this area was the one involving the young Lt. Walter Nowotny, who at that time served with the 1.(Erg)/JG 54. On 19th July 1941 he claimed his first victories (of the total 258), shooting down two I-153s over Ösel Island, but moments later he was himself shot down in his Bf 109 E-7 (reportedly by a Yak-1) over Riga Bay. After three days and nights at sea in a rubber dinghy, he finally reached the shore.
In August and September 1941, while German ground troops pressed on towards Leningrad, the Luftwaffe was still heavily engaged over Estonia, mainly because of the Soviet Baltic Fleet moored in and around Tallinn. On 6th August “Karl Marx” destroyer was hit in Hara Bay near Loksa by Ju 88s of KGr 806, and sank two days later. Tallinn was cut off on 17th August, and two days later the final German assault began.
Apparently several Luftwaffe units, including Bf 109Fs of III./JG 54s, and Bf 110s of I. and II./ZG 26, assisted in this onslaught – the 110s raided the airbase at Tallinn on several occasions. The city and its port were captured on 28th August. The disastrous Soviet evacuation is quite a story:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_evacuation_of_Tallinn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_evacuation_of_Tallinn)

As the tide turned, the air war again flared up over Estonia in August/September 1944. By that time it was a Focke-Wulf country. As many as eight Fw 190 Gruppen were stationed in the area: two fighter outfits (I. and II./JG 54), and six Jabo units (II. and III./SG 3, I., II. and III./SG 4, I./SG 5), as well as Ju 87 tank busters of 10.(Pz)/SG 3.
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: bomberkiller on March 09, 2014, 06:45:45 AM
(I'm sad, my cat (Scarlett) has gone forever...)

:( That's sad, my sweet, adorable cat (Sally) is ancient... and I'm afraid she could go at any time... so I can imagine how you must feel.

Hello Fresco,

thank you very much!

Gerhard
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: RealDarko on March 15, 2014, 08:38:30 AM
Lagarto are you still working on this texture update?
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: Lagarto on March 15, 2014, 10:49:43 AM
Lagarto are you still working on this texture update?
Hi mate and thanks for your interest. Actually I made some progress, but to get the desired effect I would have to re-texture large parts of this map by hand, tile after tile, as I did with the Africa/Italy/Greece map. Since I had to limit my gaming time because of some  health problems, I'm afraid I won't finish any time soon.
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: RealDarko on March 15, 2014, 01:14:13 PM
Rgr. Take your time mate, I'm sure it will worth the wait. And recover soon!
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: tbauchot on September 17, 2014, 11:44:03 AM
Hello Uzin,
Very good work !
But here, it is that I find trees that walk around on airfields !
This is probably due to the fact that you use the friction mod and not the blank plates.
Have you had this problem? Would you have a solution for me ?
Best regards, Thierry.
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: Uzin on September 17, 2014, 02:02:15 PM
Hello Uzin,
Very good work !
But here, it is that I find trees that walk around on airfields !
This is probably due to the fact that you use the friction mod and not the blank plates.
Have you had this problem? Would you have a solution for me ?
Best regards, Thierry.
Yes, Thierry, you are right. The problem originates in not using blank plates. Similar problem was met with Poland 1939 map, but by the help of betatester Vitamine was ovecame, I hope.
For the purpose, open load.ini and find the line:

AirField0= uzin/Estonia/summer/sk_fields_airfieldGr.tga,4  //RGB=20

Replace the name of the file here given in red colour by "af_Grfields.tga" , do not give there "4".
Rename the file "sk_fields_airfieldGr.tga" in _Tex/uzin/Estonia/summer/ folder to "af_Grfields.tga".
It seems to work well in map of Poland, I hope that it could work also in Estonia map.

Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: tbauchot on September 18, 2014, 03:32:23 AM
Hello Uzin,

I just give it a try. It's better, but unfortunately it is not 100% perfect.
I think I'll open the map in the FMB unlocked and try to put blank plates on airfields because I like very much your map.
I get to play on fairly heavy maps such as "Westfront" on which
I added a lot of personal options, so I think this should not be a problem for my computer.

Best regards, Thierry.
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: Uzin on September 18, 2014, 05:24:56 AM
Hello Uzin,

I just give it a try. It's better, but unfortunately it is not 100% perfect.
I think I'll open the map in the FMB unlocked and try to put blank plates on airfields because I like very much your map.
I get to play on fairly heavy maps such as "Westfront" on which
I added a lot of personal options, so I think this should not be a problem for my computer.

Best regards, Thierry.
Another lesson I learned at Poland map:
Since RGB=20 was made in MapBuilder in 3d view by clicking with the mouse, there are some "holes" in the airfield areas. So open map_T.tga in GIMP, select the areas with RGB=20, check these "holes" and fill them with this RGB value. It helped a bit at Poland map.
I am glad that you can open MapBuilder and add the blank plates- it would be nice if you can release your variant of Estonia map for the benefit of all  users with better rigs.
Regards,
Ivan
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: tbauchot on October 22, 2014, 04:57:37 AM
Hello Uzin, thank you very much for your congratulation on my little cosmetic work about WF maps.

I don't forget your map and soon (I hope...) I will put some blank plates  on the airfields.

I think that Blank plates and their incidence on the frame rate is a legend...

I have find recently that in the game we have  very, very big blank plates !
So between 4 or 8 plates are enough to cover an airfield and they must don't affect the frame rate...

I have done a mod to see this plates, please look at this :
http://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,43134.0.html

Best regards, Thierry.
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: Uzin on January 30, 2016, 10:06:26 AM
If anybody wants the Estonia map with BlankFieldPlates,
here it is:

Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: Uzin on March 22, 2016, 05:30:55 PM
To my surprise, the number of downloads of version using BlankFieldPlates is stagnant, only 26.
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: darky1958 on July 06, 2016, 05:51:47 AM
Opus Magnum - Great work !
Thank you Ivan !
Regards

Darky
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: max_thehitman on July 06, 2016, 02:36:33 PM
To my surprise, the number of downloads of version using BlankFieldPlates is stagnant, only 26.

So, which is best map ?

Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: Uzin on July 06, 2016, 05:08:41 PM

So, which is best map ?

Former map is done for Zuti's friction mod,

patched here:

while the patch is equipped with BlankFieldPlates

it works without that mod.
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: Uzin on August 26, 2016, 04:34:09 PM
Let us celebrate this occasion , lol. ;)
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: Uzin on March 03, 2017, 06:52:17 AM
Let us celebrate this occasion , lol. ;)
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: Mission_bug on March 03, 2017, 01:08:33 PM
Let us celebrate this occasion , lol. ;)

That is good to know Uzin, it really is a excellent map, congratulations on a job well done. 8)

Wishing you all the very best, Pete. ;D
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: Uzin on August 03, 2017, 02:13:30 PM
Let us celebrate this occasion , lol. ;)
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: Uzin on March 31, 2018, 01:48:12 AM
Greif11 released germanised version of the map, suitable for e.g. WWI missions and campaigns:

#3200, #3201 .
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: Marat on December 17, 2018, 04:14:43 AM
Dear Uzin,

First of all thank you very much for your beautiful map! It is amazing! I started to use it with FMB making my own missions. Using Tallinn airfield is OK. But when I selected Haapsalu airfield for my "doublled task mission" (in fact I use PAL-VisualMOD9_4.13.4_r1.2, where I can refuel and rearm my fighter after landing and then take off again for a new task) I discovered the problem with this airfield, namely the aircraft jumps and crashes, as the airfield is not "smooth". Did I miss something when downloading the map? What would you suggest to do? The map is fantastic, but checking through FMB which airfields can or cannot be used will take me very much time. Please help  :)
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: Marat on December 17, 2018, 04:46:34 AM
I downloaded just now Estonia_BFP and found no problem with Haapsalu airfield! So, as far as I understood such problems were solved exactly in this version of the map? :)
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: Uzin on December 17, 2018, 07:21:00 AM
I downloaded just now Estonia_BFP and found no problem with Haapsalu airfield! So, as far as I understood such problems were solved exactly in this version of the map? :)
Yes!
The former version of the map uses so called friction mod, now obsolete. This mod is also incompatible with newer versions of Il-2.
The BFP version of map uses BlankfieldPlates instead, so your findings are OK.
Enjoy the flights!
Title: Re: Estonia map ? Yes, released
Post by: Marat on December 17, 2018, 10:19:20 AM
Enjoying your maps! Many thanks again!!! :)