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Title: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: Col. King on September 04, 2012, 09:21:33 AM
 ;D

IL-2 1946...  IL-2 1956...  IL-2 1916... IL-2 1936(SCW)....

As we can see, we do have various "packs" covering some very specific time periods....

But what is still missing?  1966 is almost there, with the Phantoms, Mig 21 and others planes being worked out...
and for sure we'll not have to wait for too long for 1976, 1986, 1996, 2006 (LOL)...

But one time period that (albeit we do already have some planes that can fit in) is still and very sorely missing, is the 1920 to 1935 one... The "Golden Age" of Aviation, Pioneerism, a period of great achievments, experiments...  the Schneider Trophy races... Record flights... The barnstormers, and the beginning of the Commercial Aviation... The Flying Boats...

I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one that would like to see something coming up to fill this very interesting period of time... So here is an invitation to everyone interested to collaborate with informations about the time period we are speaking about, not only about the planes, but about the historical contest, and related stuff... For sure every bit of information will help our modders, campaign builders, skinners to add their talent in support of this idea...

thank you.
:)
Title: Re: I was thinking....
Post by: A1_Phoenix on September 04, 2012, 09:47:07 AM
heheh of course we all know how much we'd love such pack :) so i suggest for a better result to create an information thread with models, data, profiles, everything could be useful to more talented people in 3d and java to build the Il-2 Golden Age pack.

doug, your knowledge on '20/'30 years is deep and focused, so we can put down a list of possible airplanes and scenarios!

today we have of course the beautiful S.21 (M.33) by Gerd, and the S.62 ready for use (apart some glitches on FM/DM, out of my and doug current modding range unfortunately), some surplus great war plane can be useful (the DBW1916 team is teasing us daily: fantastic work guys! thank you!!! :) )

We are more than willing to give as much help as possible, and we are seriously searching other volunteers to join this project :)

S!
Andrea
Title: Re: I was thinking....
Post by: kirk1965 on September 04, 2012, 10:41:36 AM

Fantastic idea. :D
Goes against everything I like in Il2. Pioneering, challenges, creativity. I think the first steps to creating a package for the period 1920 to 1935 can be start (maybe Il2 1926 following the trend).
Tests with new technologies (1920s), the first aircraft carriers and ships tender, competitions for improvement of aircraft, pioneers of the air.
All members of the SAS and companions sites have proven their capabilities. Every day I am forced to take the hat and clap for the beautiful works that come to us as gifts from heaven virtual pilots.
All my support and participation, within my humble capacity. ;)
Big hug to everyone (Google transl)



















Title: Re: I was thinking....
Post by: The_Jester on September 04, 2012, 11:24:41 AM
I would certainly love to see some aircraft from this period. We would need a whole assortment of fighters and bombers of the period. It would be very interesting to see some of these aircraft. Especially the French and Italian post-great war aircraft as well as some of the early American Pursuit aircraft. As far as fighter datum, I have a nice book that has every fighter variant, both experimental and production, up until maybe 2005.
Title: Re: I was thinking....
Post by: Col. King on September 04, 2012, 11:30:49 AM
Well, mati140, the H-4 Hercules, or "Spruce Goose" as it was dubbed, was a mid 1940 project, and it was first flown in 1947. So it is well out of the time period we are speaking of  (1920 - 1935).

With no doubts, it was an interesting plane, now preserved at the Evergreen museum, but it is not suit for our intended project.

Best regards!
Title: Re: I was thinking....
Post by: Blumax on September 04, 2012, 11:32:30 AM
I want Hughes' flying boat with "Take Off without blowing up" mission.

Yeah sure, with so many planes around, you want a 3d guy to spend all his efforts and time in a silly gigantic floatplane that barely flew once and which was an entirely obsolete concept when completed (1947)?

If there is such a modeller in the audience, please ignore this crap and build us a Lancaster.... pu-leeeeze :)

LMFAO  ;D  I couldn't agree more....as much as i think that this is a good idea, i do love the 20's and 30' buts lets keep it real and face the facts no one is ever gonna build that goose!
Title: Re: I was thinking....
Post by: Col. King on September 04, 2012, 11:32:38 AM
Jester! Yes, please. Any support is most welcome! :)
Title: Re: I was thinking....
Post by: Col. King on September 04, 2012, 11:34:05 AM
Thank you too, Kirk!! Most appreciated, my Friend! :D
Title: Re: I was thinking....
Post by: A1_Phoenix on September 04, 2012, 11:35:19 AM
mati, sorry but hughes' leviathan is not a good example.. we may prefer something like "take off with a Wal and search for Nobile without freezing our a$$es off" :D

j/k guys :)

jester, if you can make a short list of era fighters from your book we can dig the web for the infos :) thank you!

S!
Andrea

edit: guys, you beat me heheh 4 posts while writing lol
Title: Re: I was thinking....
Post by: A1_Phoenix on September 04, 2012, 11:44:04 AM
Doug, can you rename the thread as "Golden Age 1920/1930" or something similar so is more easily identified?

we of course left the thing on "lounge", we hope our long time dream could be transferred to Wip section one day :)

S! to all guys
Andrea
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: Col. King on September 04, 2012, 12:01:32 PM
Doug, can you rename the thread as "Golden Age 1920/1930" or something similar so is more easily identified?

we of course left the thing on "lounge", we hope our long time dream could be transferred to Wip section one day :)

S! to all guys
Andrea

Done.

I limited the years from 1920 to 1935 to avoid overlapping the Spanish Civil War time period (1936 - 1939), wich is already up, and was in fact a bloody conflict, with almost nothing "romantic" in it...

Cheers
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: Tecnico66 on September 04, 2012, 01:13:16 PM
...my wishes...Stearman PT-17 and Lockheed "Electra"..AARRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH i forget..Boeing "Clipper",Dornier X "Whal"!!!
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: juanmalapuente on September 04, 2012, 02:40:54 PM
Doug, can you rename the thread as "Golden Age 1920/1930" or something similar so is more easily identified?

we of course left the thing on "lounge", we hope our long time dream could be transferred to Wip section one day :)

S! to all guys
Andrea

Done.

I limited the years from 1920 to 1935 to avoid overlapping the Spanish Civil War time period (1936 - 1939), wich is already up, and was in fact a bloody conflict, with almost nothing "romantic" in it...

Cheers

Sure SCW was a bloody conflict, but most of the many different aircraft participating came directly from this Golden period. I love this period for that pioneering and experimenting efervescence, that produced infinite interesting forms and variations.
We have already some, such as the Breguet XIX used for lots of record breakings and pioneering trips. We already have even a nice civil skin made by Archie for this period.
http://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,26228.12.html
Many of the planes made by Dreamk, were Golden Age aircraft, we only need more civil skins.
Also, many of the ones people are going to propose, will be useful for SCW too, just think about the Dornier Wall or the Lockheed electra.  ;D
I'm sure there are going to be more great additions useful for both periods soon.
Actually, a lot of experimental prototypes and contest racing aircraft went directly to SCW. There you have the famous Bellanca 28-70 Irish Swoop, the Sikorsky S-38, the Seversky SEV-3 and many others.
You also have already done the Junkers F-13, first metallic civil successful transport. It would be great to have it with the linnear engine, much more appropiate for the 20s, it could be done in seaplane version too.
For the fighters, beside Dreamk's ones, you have the P-26, for instance.
If someone wants to make an emblematic plane for this period, there you have the Spirit of Saint Louis. Ugly plane, no frontal vision, single prototype, but who wouldn't want to try it? ;)
I remember also a good bunch of ugly bombers from other funny thread that would fit great in the Golden Age, I would kill to have the chance to shoot some of those horrible monsters down. ;D ;D
If I have to vote, for a nice one, there you have the Leo 210:
Lioré et Olivier 213. One of the most succesful passenger transport of the period, flying Paris-London and many other European and Euro-African routes.
May be not very handsome, but I love her in that Rayon d'or costume.

(http://www.sas1946.com/images/imageshit/dead/dead.gif) (http://www.sas1946.com/images/imageshit/dead/dead.gif)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lior%C3%A9_et_Olivier_LeO_21

It was also used in military version Leo-20 for paratroopers and training in L'Armée de l'air.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lior%C3%A9_et_Olivier_LeO_20

(http://www.sas1946.com/images/imageshit/dead/dead.gif) (http://www.sas1946.com/images/imageshit/dead/dead.gif)


And for something completely different: the Couzinet-70  Arc en Ciel. René Couzinet was one of those way beyond his time designers, but I can't think of a plane more typical of this period.

(http://www.sas1946.com/images/imageshit/dead/dead.gif) (http://www.sas1946.com/images/imageshit/dead/dead.gif)

(http://www.sas1946.com/images/imageshit/dead/dead.gif) (http://www.sas1946.com/images/imageshit/dead/dead.gif)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Couzinet_70

There're also tons of pics and info about details and interiors in the Web.



Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: Rudi_Jaeger on September 04, 2012, 03:00:53 PM
I'm a bit busy at the moment to join any new ventures, but I can offer a couple of ideas that may be of use to any modelers interested in a 'Golden Age' project. Below are some hacks from a few years ago. Once folks started to mod the sim, I always felt they would be good candidates for a make-over:

(http://i51.tinypic.com/wvbfpy.jpg)
(http://i50.tinypic.com/2j2yltv.jpg)
^ Take the IAR-80, remove the armament and antenna, do some refinements to the tail, exhaust, canopy, and prop; Presto! Hughes H-1 Racer. I know, I make it sound easy, but I'm sure it's an awful amount of work. Although IIRC, someone was working on a model for one of these; not sure whatever became of it.

(http://i56.tinypic.com/35lua03.jpg)
^ I didn't mention remodelling the under carriage, because sometimes a little brushwork can substitute for additional 3D. btw; check out those ugly wheels and struts.. we've came a long way since those days eh? (Thanks to our modders)

H8K as a Martin M-130/Boeing B-314 'Hybrid', PanAm Clipper:
(http://i54.tinypic.com/25evgd5.jpg)
(http://i48.tinypic.com/a4bfuw.jpg)
^ Remove the outboard pontoons and add the 'floating wings' to the fuselage, add some support spars, remove the armament, and we get a closer match to the real M-130.

(http://i47.tinypic.com/2ujtpqo.jpg)
^ Do roughly the same thing (except for support spars), but replace the stock tail with the LaGG-3's for the central, and a Pe-3's for the outboards, and we get a reasonable look-alike for the Boeing B-314. Despite the tri-tail configuration, the B-314 is actually a better match to the H8K's fuselage, than the M-130 which is a bit slimmer.

With a few tweaks, these two models (IAR80 & H8K) might adapt well to a 'Golden Age' scenario.  The Clippers also went on to wartime service, thus doubling their usefullness for campaign/mission builders.

Anyway, food for thought.
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: Col. King on September 04, 2012, 04:07:00 PM
GREAT, Thank you Juanmalapuente and Rudi! Really good ideas. Now we do need a 3d modder willing to spend a bit of his precious time on them and the other projects that can come...

And true, some planes that were made for the SCW can for sure be used, too.

Actually, for the 1930 - 1935 period there are already quite a good number of aircraft disponible, most of them later tooking part in the Spanish Civil War.  But we do still lack planes for the 1920 to 1930 years, as we have only few for that decade.

Anyway, good suggestions! 

And, for skinning them all, we already do have the right man in the group ;) ... And I know his hands are already sweating with impatience to start...

Cheers!
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: Col. King on September 04, 2012, 05:53:54 PM
Here, a little list of planes from the 1920 decade that imho would be nice to have for our Golden Age project: For all of them I can provide extensive data and pictures, like for the first one here, if needed...

Airco D.H.10 Amiens
(http://flyingmachines.ru/Images7/04-Others/Osprey/90-1-1.jpg)
(http://flyingmachines.ru/Images7/Putnam/British_Bombers/108-1.jpg)
The Airco DH.10 Amiens was a British twin-engined medium bomber designed and built towards the end of the First World War. It served briefly with the RAF postwar.

The DH.10 was designed by Geoffrey de Havilland to meet the requirements of Air Board Specification A.2.b for a single- or twin-engined day bomber. It was a development of the earlier Airco DH.3 bomber, which had flown in 1916, but had been rejected by the War Office because of a belief that strategic bombing would be ineffective and that twin engines were impracticable.

The first prototype flew on 4 March 1918, powered by two 230 hp (186 kW) Siddeley Puma engines mounted as pushers. When evaluated by the RAF, the performance of this prototype was well below expectation, reaching only 90 mph (145 km/h) at 15,000 ft (4,572 m) with the required bomb load. Owing to this poor performance, the DH.10 was redesigned with more powerful engines in a tractor installation.

The second prototype, known as the Amiens Mark II was powered by two 360 hp (268 kW) Rolls-Royce Eagle VIII engines and first flew in April 1918, showing greatly superior performance and proving to be faster than the DH.9A while carrying twice the bomb load. While shortages of the Eagle meant that the Amiens Mark II could not be put into production, it proved the design for the definitive aircraft, the Amiens Mark III, which was powered by the more readily available 395 hp (295 kW) Liberty 12 from America, as was the DH.9A. Following successful evaluation, large orders were placed, with a total of 1,291 ordered.
 [Read more]


First deliveries of DH.10s were to No. 104 Squadron RAF in November 1918, flying a single bombing mission on 10 November 1918 before the Armistice ended the First World War. Postwar, DH.10s equipped 120 Squadron, which used them to operate an air mail service to the British Army of Occupation on the Rhine. Amiens were also used by 97 Squadron (later re-numbered as 60 Squadron) which deployed to India. It provided support to the Army on the North-West Frontier, being used for bombing operations in the Third Anglo-Afghan war. DH.10s were also used by 216 Squadron in Egypt, where they provided an air mail service between Cairo and Bagdhad, starting on 23 June 1921. They were operated with distinction in Great Britain, Egypt and India until 1927.

(http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/1858/pics/9_3.jpg)

Variants

Amiens I Prototype powered by two pusher Puma engines.
Amiens II Prototype powered by two tractor Rolls Royce Eagle engines.
Amiens III Main production variant, powered by Liberty 12 engines mounted midway between wings, 221 built.
Amiens IIIA Modified Mark III with engines directly attached to lower wings, 32 built.
Amiens IIIC Version powered by Rolls Royce Eagle engines in case of shortages of Liberty engines, 5 built.

Armstrong Whitworth Siskin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armstrong_Whitworth_Siskin

Avia BH-21
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avia_BH-21

Breguet Bre.14A.2 (WW1, but in production until 1926!)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breguet_14

Bristol Type 22 F.2B (WW1, in service until 1932!)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_F.2_Fighter

CAMS 53
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAMS_53

Curtiss JN-4 'Jenny'
http://www.centennialofflight.gov/essay/Aerospace/Jenny/Aero3.htm

Curtiss P-1 to P-6 Hawk
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtiss_P-1_Hawk
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtiss_P-6_Hawk

Dornier Do JIId Wal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dornier_Do_J

Gloster Gamecock
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloster_Gamecock

Gloster Grebe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloster_Grebe

Hawker Horsley
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_Horsley

Hawker Tomtit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_Tomtit

Lioré et Olivier LeO 20
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lior%C3%A9_et_Olivier_LeO_20

Nieuport-Delage Ni-D 29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nieuport-Delage_NiD_29

Supermarine Southampton Mk.I
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermarine_Southampton

Vickers Virginia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vickers_Virginia

Schneider Trophy racers - all... (Will post a more detailed research in near future).

There are only few of the 1920 decade planes, (in fact they are much more, and I pretend, with your help, to add more of them, only for the sake of completness.)

Cheers




Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: max_thehitman on September 04, 2012, 05:59:39 PM
Rudi made a very great suggestion with his post. If you guys that paint skins just
spend some time looking at the 1920-era and 1930-era airplanes from
books/Websites/Pdf-Ebooks and then compare them to already flyable airplanes in
the IL-2 game (Look at the model - NOT THE SKINS).
Then if you have a very close candidate for a "skin-Hack" then all you have to do is
make/paint a new skin-template for that airplane model and it will look almost like the other
1920s or 1930s airplane.
The recent posts of those cool new MOD-biplanes already available can be made to look like other
airplanes.
So I suggest start looking for books on 1920s airplanes and 1930s classics. There are tons of PDF books
out there for free and many websites.
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: Col. King on September 04, 2012, 06:54:04 PM
Max..
With all due respect, we are already looking in that direction, too. :)

Actually, we are going in not only one direction...
We do know what a hell of a work is making a totally new aircraft for IL-2, and we are not "asking" for new airplanes or mods. We are only stating that there are planes that are still missing, and IF someone wants to help, we'll be very happy. But we are absolutely not forcing anyone to do so. Modders works and do mods because they have passion, talent, and they like to do so. IF someone of them wants to make a plane of the Golden Age, and then share it with the rest of the Community, that will be great. The list I posted is only to eventually help such a talented and willing person in the choice.

And yes, of course you are absolutely right, there are already around some planes that with a good reskinning can "play the role" of other planes, as hacks. 

Thank you! :)
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: max_thehitman on September 04, 2012, 07:15:07 PM


Ok good buddy, I will try to help out as much as I am possible at the moment. You have to forgive me for not jumping right in
with this 1920-1930s Era just yet. Because at the moment I have quite alot on my hands already. Alot of painting work on many other
airplanes and people that need me.
Things are moving so fast around here and other IL-2 mod-forums, with so many new aircraft and mods arriving, that some things
are being left behind a little. I am also trying my best to run at this race so we can all win ;D

Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: Col. King on September 04, 2012, 07:27:01 PM
Don't worry! And thank you for the good advices. That's the spirit! :D
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: The_Jester on September 04, 2012, 09:06:44 PM
Armstrong Whitworth Siskin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armstrong_Whitworth_Siskin

Avia BH-21
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avia_BH-21

Breguet Bre.14A.2 (WW1, but in production until 1926!)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breguet_14

Bristol Type 22 F.2B (WW1, in service until 1932!)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_F.2_Fighter

CAMS 53
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAMS_53

Curtiss JN-4 'Jenny'
http://www.centennialofflight.gov/essay/Aerospace/Jenny/Aero3.htm

Curtiss P-1 to P-6 Hawk
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtiss_P-1_Hawk
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtiss_P-6_Hawk

Dornier Do JIId Wal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dornier_Do_J

Gloster Gamecock
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloster_Gamecock

Gloster Grebe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloster_Grebe

Hawker Horsley
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_Horsley

Hawker Tomtit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_Tomtit

Lioré et Olivier LeO 20
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lior%C3%A9_et_Olivier_LeO_20

Nieuport-Delage Ni-D 29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nieuport-Delage_NiD_29

Supermarine Southampton Mk.I
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermarine_Southampton

Vickers Virginia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vickers_Virginia

Schneider Trophy racers - all... (Will post a more detailed research in near future).

There are only few of the 1920 decade planes, (in fact they are much more, and I pretend, with your help, to add more of them, only for the sake of completness.)

Cheers
[/quote]

Armstrong Whitworth:

Siskin III:
 50 produced plus 12 two seat trainers.
Armament: two .303 vickers machine guns.
Powerplant: 350 hp Armstrong Siddeley Jaguar III
Max Speed: 134 mph at 6,500 ft, 128mph at 15,000 ft
Time to 10,000ft: 8.5 minutes
Empy Weight: 1,830 lbs
Loaded Weight: 2,735 lbs
Span: 33 ft 1 in
Length: 22 ft 6 in
Height: 9 ft 9 in
Wing area, 296 sq ft

Siskin IIIA:
 A large number of design changes made here. I will list them here: Lengthened fuselage w/ raised aft decking, greate gap, less upper wing dihedral, redesigned vertical tail surfaces, no ventral fin, fuselage change from slab sides to round sides.

 Overall production of this model is 412 units with a further 47 dual control trainers.

Armament: two Vickers .303 machine guns.
Powerplant: 425 hp Jaguar IV OR supercharged Jaguar IVS
Max Speed: 156 mph at sea level, 142 mph at 15,000 ft
Time to 5,000 ft: 3.5 minutes, to 15,000, 10.5 minutes
Empty Weight: 2,061 lb
Loaded Weight: 3,012 lb
Span: 33 ft 2 in
Length: 25 ft 4 in
Height: 10 ft 2 in
Wing area: 293 sq ft

A note regarding the Siskin II and V. These were both prototype models.

Avia:

BH-21

Powerplant: Skoda-built HS 8Fb liquid cooled engine
Armament: two 7,7mm (.303) guns- Possibly Hispano Suiza? Further information is needed here.
Max Speed: 245 km/h
Range: 550 km
Time to 5000 m, 13 minutes
Empty weight: 720 kg
Loaded weight: 1084 kg
Span: 8,90 m
Length: 6,87 m
Height: 2,74 m
Wing area: 21,96 m^2

I will continue to expand the post at a later date.
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: The_Jester on September 04, 2012, 09:50:54 PM
A few I would like to add to the list:

Brandenburg W.33
Produced in Germany in 1918 and in Finland 1922-1926

Felixstowe F.5
Produced just after the great war in Britain. Was an improvement on the F.2a and F.3 models. Served until 1925.

Supermarine Southampton

Macchi M.41bis

Not one I actually would like to add, but certainly worth a look at for shits n' giggles: Nieuport-Delage 37

There is also a fiat model I couldn't find, but I remember it having an unequal span with the lower span being the longer of the two.

A note here: My knowledge of this specific period is more limited to water based aircraft, so for me finding fighters is going to be a little bit difficult since I have to sift through a caveat of experimental aircraft just to find one that was produced in significant numbers. I'm not really sure how to handle France though. The list of French prototypes is very long and it seems a lot of aircraft that had very low production numbers entered service during this period.
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: A1_Phoenix on September 05, 2012, 02:37:22 AM
guys, it's nice to see growing interest for this era :) thank you all!

i'll try to group all the infos received in few days, so maybe we can have "subsections" on airplanes, boats, skin hacks suggestions and so on :)

S!
Andrea
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: Cracken on September 05, 2012, 03:49:53 AM
DBW 1926? Even DBW 1906 would be nice:-) How about the "Flyer" of the Wright brothers to be put in the game? (If someone is to rmove this post of mine, please note this is NOT a request:D
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: Col. King on September 05, 2012, 05:28:04 AM
DBW 1926? Even DBW 1906 would be nice:-) How about the "Flyer" of the Wright brothers to be put in the game? (If someone is to rmove this post of mine, please note this is NOT a request:D

Gents,

Great idea to think about the "1906" (Cracken :) ), but I would choose "1900 - 1915", (The Wright Flyier was from 1903)..

And why to get limited to DBW? Why not have all this nice stuff for the "normal" IL-2 /SAS+Modact and UP ?

Jester, your knowledge about water based planes will for sure be very welcome, as the 1920 and 1930 decades were the ones during wich the flying boats and seaplanes developement achieved its most important level.

Cheers!
 
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: The_Jester on September 05, 2012, 10:33:23 AM
If we go back to the beginning, it may be interesting to see about the works of Gustav Whitehead since it is possible he flew before the Wright Brothers.
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: Cracken on September 05, 2012, 12:12:26 PM
DBW 1926? Even DBW 1906 would be nice:-) How about the "Flyer" of the Wright brothers to be put in the game? (If someone is to rmove this post of mine, please note this is NOT a request:D


(The Wright Flyier was from 1903)..

 

Of course, I do realise it, but i did not want to break the string of DBW 1906, 1916, 1926, 1936, 1946, 1956, 1966...

And I agree the planesets should be centred rather around a decade than a single year.

How about DBW 1786, flying with the Montgolfier brothers:-D No, I am not mocking it, I would love to fly a hot air balloon, a blimp or even a Zeppelin in the game. When we have moving infantry and jeeps, I think anything is possible.
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: Col. King on September 05, 2012, 01:38:47 PM
Well.. What to say? For sure it would be interesting, but we must be rational, and concentrate on the 20th Century. If you fly the Mongolfier's balloon, agains what you will fight in the 18th Century?
 As we use a sim that is centered on air combat, let stay in the Century in wich air combat started, developed and become a proeminent way of fighting.
You said Zeppelin? OH YEAH! This would be great and I will heartly second the idea... And it makes sense...

:D
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: The_Jester on September 05, 2012, 03:11:09 PM
I feel like we may be getting slightly ahead of ourselves. We should focus on creating a manageable list of aircraft from this Era to try not to overwhelm the already overwhelmed molders. :P
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: juanmalapuente on September 05, 2012, 03:33:53 PM
If you fly the Mongolfier's balloon, agains what you will fight in the 18th Century?
 

(http://www.sas1946.com/images/imageshit/img99/4150/napoleon3dairborneminew.jpg) (http://www.sas1946.com/images/imageshit/download/99/napoleon3dairborneminew.jpg)


Napoleon's plan to invade England.  ;D ;D ;D
There was no balloon attack, but we have the tunnel now.  ;D
That would need another thread, this was supossed to be for Golden Age.

Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: Col. King on September 05, 2012, 05:32:35 PM
I feel like we may be getting slightly ahead of ourselves. We should focus on creating a manageable list of aircraft from this Era to try not to overwhelm the already overwhelmed molders. :P

Good point!

To Juanmalapuente: ROFL! (Nice pic, BTW)  Did you see the latest movie about the Three Musketeers? The one with Orlando Bloom in the role of the Duke of Buckingam?  Flying Galleons and so on? :D
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: The_Jester on September 05, 2012, 06:15:27 PM
That picture was part of Napoleon's "let's invade Britain by air" plot.
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: farang65 on September 05, 2012, 11:37:09 PM
You've got have the Stearman,

A classic training , acrobatic and barnstorming aircraft for the 30's  ;D :D

Just my two cents.

Kirby
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: Col. King on September 06, 2012, 12:14:14 AM
You've got have the Stearman,

A classic training , acrobatic and barnstorming aircraft for the 30's  ;D :D

Just my two cents.

Kirby

I saw a Stearman/Boeing PT-13 or 17 as a WIP sometimes ago... Is this project still up or it is dead?
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: juanmalapuente on September 06, 2012, 04:28:43 AM
  Did you see the latest movie about the Three Musketeers? The one with Orlando Bloom in the role of the Duke of Buckingam?  Flying Galleons and so on? :D

Talking about flying ships and pioneers:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passarola
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: bomberkiller on September 06, 2012, 06:14:01 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2aaXfqxFrQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2aaXfqxFrQ)
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: The_Jester on September 06, 2012, 07:45:40 AM
That plane took longer to get here than Colombus.
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: juanmalapuente on September 06, 2012, 08:54:59 AM
Well, It was bigger than Columbus' caravels.  ;D
Love it BTW.
Title: Re: I was thinking....
Post by: NS~mati140 on September 06, 2012, 09:17:09 AM
I want Hughes' flying boat with "Take Off without blowing up" mission.

Yeah sure, with so many planes around, you want a 3d guy to spend all his efforts and time in a silly gigantic floatplane that barely flew once and which was an entirely obsolete concept when completed (1947)?

If there is such a modeller in the audience, please ignore this crap and build us a Lancaster.... pu-leeeeze :)


or... if you insist on a floatplane...  Kawanishi H6K is my love (request already up http://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php?topic=25512.0) :)


I'm sorry for posting crap and being an idiot, and generally wasting TCP/IP packets by filling them with crap. Post removed. That was partially a joke but if I offended anyone than sorry. I know this forum is private property and if I get banned I won't object.
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: Col. King on September 06, 2012, 09:35:18 AM
You didn't offend anyone, Mati.

Now, a bit of patience and tolerance from everybody to each others will make things easier.

Peace....

Cheers
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: Col. King on September 06, 2012, 09:52:48 AM
Ok, Folk.

I'm leaving for the country house for few days. Will be back on Monday 10th.

A1_Phoenix is in charge of this thread during my absence.

It would be nice to have a list of aircraft that are already in IL-2, and for what "hack" they can be used. This would be a great help to skinners...

Keep 'em coming!

Cheers!
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: The_Jester on September 06, 2012, 09:58:26 AM
Yes, tensions have been running high around here of late. People are a bit bitchy due to an influx of newer members who haven't yet learned all the social rules here. Some of it is unfounded and some of it is due to older member's toes getting stepped on. Just don't worry about it much, they'll calm down sooner or later. Just pay attention to the guys with SAS~ in the beginning of their names. They're generally patient, but don't test that. Just listen to them and follow the rules and you will be good. If you get yelled at by anyone else for making a suggestion or asking a question, or some similair offense where you don't mean to be intrusive, don't take it to heart. I think you'll like it here.
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: Col. King on September 09, 2012, 09:12:07 PM
OK, I'm back!!

the country house place is really great, but i forgot to bring with me the AAA... result: 102 mosquito punctures! Argh....

Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: max_thehitman on September 10, 2012, 05:19:29 AM


Welcome back mosquito feeder  ;D I hope they didn´t bite you too much
Here´s something for you to enjoy and dream about...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um84MheDeho&feature=fvsr

This is the sort of movies they used to show in passenger airplanes back in... 1928!  8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCZPzHg0h80

Fly American! 1933
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCnWLR28pfE
At 7:50 minutes into the film you get to see the "luxurious interior seating"  ;D


This is a complete surprise for me. I never seen this one before. A Bleriot 125 ...and it flies!  ???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVHKf_R3Vuw

Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: Col. King on September 10, 2012, 06:10:42 AM
WOW, Max!!
Great videos!
Thank you!
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: The_Jester on September 10, 2012, 07:35:38 AM
Max, thanks or jogging my memory. I remember seeing that aircraft while researching one very similar which I had forgotten about until now.

The Savoia-Marchetti S.55!
(http://www.enricopezzi.it/AEP/p3-26_ten/foto/SM-S55X_03w.jpg)
I honestly I don't know how I forgot her. Very important aircraft. If this hasn't already been made somewhere, I'll have lost all faith in humanity.
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: Col. King on September 10, 2012, 08:46:41 AM
Max, thanks or jogging my memory. I remember seeing that aircraft while researching one very similar which I had forgotten about until now.

The Savoia-Marchetti S.55!
(http://www.enricopezzi.it/AEP/p3-26_ten/foto/SM-S55X_03w.jpg)
I honestly I don't know how I forgot her. Very important aircraft. If this hasn't already been made somewhere, I'll have lost all faith in humanity.

We have it already!! :D

http://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,26545.0.html

Cheers!
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: max_thehitman on September 10, 2012, 09:57:03 AM


Correct, a Savoia-Marchetti 55 was created just a few weeks ago and posted here at SAS made by Gio.
Veery coool classic aircraft! with an amazing design right out of a Buck Rogers movie of the 1930´s era.
 +PLUS+ in this new mod-version it is "well armed", so that is an extra bonus!
Any rival Airline Company trying to shoot down our passenger airplane will know that out aircraft are
armed and ready to defend themselves! LOL  ;D 
It´s the battle to control the passenger fleets of the skies!!  8) 
Their motto is... "We will fly you anywhere in the world in complete safety, and shoot a few ducks on
the way for your lunch!! "



Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: Cracken on September 10, 2012, 10:05:10 AM
Max, thanks or jogging my memory. I remember seeing that aircraft while researching one very similar which I had forgotten about until now.

The Savoia-Marchetti S.55!
(http://www.enricopezzi.it/AEP/p3-26_ten/foto/SM-S55X_03w.jpg)
I honestly I don't know how I forgot her. Very important aircraft. If this hasn't already been made somewhere, I'll have lost all faith in humanity.

We have it already!! :D

http://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,26545.0.html

Cheers!

It looks like something from "Crimson Skies":D
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: The_Jester on September 10, 2012, 11:52:23 AM
Heh heh heh heh. I love that game. It's too bad you have to have an old ass computer to play it. I remember the first time I played it; any hope of me being normal went out the window...
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: Col. King on September 10, 2012, 12:08:32 PM
Well... IMHO, being "normal" in the true, classical meaning of the word, is nowadays "not normal"...  Impossible to be "normal"... I prefer having fun...

:D
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: The_Jester on September 10, 2012, 01:42:30 PM
Hahaha. Normal was the only word I could think of to describe people who think airplanes run off magic.
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: account abandoned on September 10, 2012, 02:06:20 PM
 :)

One Savoia-Marchetti S.55 is preserved here in Brazil, in a museum. It is named Jahu, and is painted red.

Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: juanmalapuente on September 10, 2012, 03:07:27 PM
I love that gorgueous atypical plane painted in any colour.  :-*
Another weird seaplane that became famous in that period, painted in red, is the Sikorsky S-38. Used for exploration of several big rivers and for passengers also.

(http://www.sas1946.com/images/imageshit/dead/dead.gif) (http://www.sas1946.com/images/imageshit/dead/dead.gif)


Although, as you can see, she looks great also in other schemes:

(http://www.sas1946.com/images/imageshit/dead/dead.gif) (http://www.sas1946.com/images/imageshit/dead/dead.gif)


This is for the kit, which BTW, is one of the most expensive plastic kits only available through ebay or similar (together with the one for Savoia S-55X)
But I thought the drawings could be useful for a modder to "assemble" a mod.  ;D

(http://www.sas1946.com/images/imageshit/dead/dead.gif) (http://www.sas1946.com/images/imageshit/dead/dead.gif)



Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: max_thehitman on September 10, 2012, 03:07:46 PM
:)

One Savoia-Marchetti S.55 is preserved here in Brazil, in a museum. It is named Jahu, and is painted red.

Está um desses Savoia ai no Brasil? Eu gostava de vêr uma foto, por favor  8)
I would like to see a foto of it. This is a very rare airplane.
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: account abandoned on September 10, 2012, 03:42:03 PM
:)

One Savoia-Marchetti S.55 is preserved here in Brazil, in a museum. It is named Jahu, and is painted red.

Está um desses Savoia ai no Brasil? Eu gostava de vêr uma foto, por favor  8)
I would like to see a foto of it. This is a very rare airplane.

Aqui o link, Max. Here the link about the TAM Museum.

http://www.aereo.jor.br/2010/06/12/reabertura-do-museu-da-tam-uma-visita-virtual/

(http://sp1.fotolog.com/photo/17/62/45/jban/1280235983630_f.jpg)

hope it help.
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: juanmalapuente on September 10, 2012, 03:56:29 PM
Ooooh, she's beautiful!
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: max_thehitman on September 10, 2012, 04:17:30 PM
Oi!  Que belo avião vermelho! Obrigado!
Parece muito pequeno na realidade, nas fotos antigas parece um gigante.
É muito lindo.
Muito obrigado

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 It seems very small indeed in old photos looks like a giant.
 It is very beautiful.

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It seems mighty small indeed in old photos looks like a giant.
It is mighty right purdy.
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: The_Jester on September 10, 2012, 06:39:59 PM
Yes. Was that restoration completed in the last two years? I remember when I originally read the Wikipedia article it mentioned that none survived(it has since been updated). After some brief scouring of the Internet I came across two photos of Jahu, but at the time the aircraft was, If I recall, still waiting for final assembly and the engines/pylon had not yet been installed.
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: Dimus on September 11, 2012, 12:59:27 AM
Nice thread and idea. I am too a fan of this period.

I did not see anyone mentioning the beautiful Hawker biplanes, both two seaters and single seaters,

Hart (and the similar Hind):
(http://hawker.slideshowpro.com/albums/012/501/album-118248/lg/hart_57_sqdn.jpg)

An the hottest looking biplane fighter imho, the Fury and its naval variant, the Nimrod seen here as a restored example:
(http://www.fighter-collection.com/mg/nimrod/Nimrod.jpg)

Edit: I forgot, the Hart is already done, and I think I have also seen a Fury at some point, am I right?
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: cgagan on September 11, 2012, 01:08:51 AM
Yes you are, they have been both produced by Dreamk, for SCW scenarios
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: A1_Phoenix on September 11, 2012, 01:56:35 AM
hi guys and sorry, i've been busy in these days.. anyway some of the current SCW biplanecould be used as passenger hacks (hint hint: vildebeest and his hydro, seems just perfect.. i'll try something with photoshop!!!)

i haven't installed yet the s.55 but i'll do tonight, i was sure too it was bigger, never tought those cockpits had space only for pilot's heads :D one never stops to learn!

S!
Andrea
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: juanmalapuente on September 11, 2012, 02:41:07 AM
I think Savoia-55 looks smaller than she really is because of the angular lens used in the photo. You can check with old photos (even though people was a little shorter in that time)  ;D

Same plane, different phot:

(http://www.sas1946.com/images/imageshit/img607/1183/65974069554bda23e691.jpg) (http://www.sas1946.com/images/imageshit/download/607/65974069554bda23e691.jpg)


Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: The_Jester on September 11, 2012, 01:24:57 PM
(http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6129/5931139703_14203d201d_z.jpg)

Two place cockpit. The two floats are actually hulls with space for navigator/gunners/radioman etc. this is not a small plane.

Span: 24.00m
Length: 16.75m
Height: 5.00m
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: A1_Phoenix on September 11, 2012, 01:37:54 PM
not small in absolute way, but i wasn't expecting the hull was only as tall as a man :D i was (strangely, now) sure it was HUGE
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: bren on September 11, 2012, 01:46:28 PM
Well, the most beautiful aircraft of 30's, in my opinion — Couzinet 70/71 "l'Arc-en-Ciel" (Rainbow).

(http://s51.radikal.ru/i131/1209/6b/ff4c7f069488.jpg)
(http://speedbirds.free.fr/Board/07-07-09_couz.jpg)
(http://s019.radikal.ru/i606/1209/ff/3c2ac1610dcd.jpg)
(http://s12.radikal.ru/i185/1209/b2/c7c7c9741b98.jpg)
(http://i011.radikal.ru/1209/42/1c7fe58a4151.jpg)
(http://s017.radikal.ru/i430/1209/35/148f082a8396.jpg)
(http://s019.radikal.ru/i603/1209/1b/0c610698379c.jpg)
(http://s017.radikal.ru/i423/1209/1a/4a0092e45f1b.jpg)
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: Cracken on September 11, 2012, 03:13:03 PM
Looks like a sort of a "mutant" Ju-52.
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: juanmalapuente on September 11, 2012, 03:36:44 PM
Well, Tante Ju is kind of a German square boxy thing, the Arc' en ciel is a simphony of French curves.  :D
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: Col. King on September 11, 2012, 05:07:14 PM
Really a nice plane! Ah, la France...
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: max_thehitman on September 11, 2012, 06:36:10 PM


WOW WOW!  8) That is one elegant aircraft...smooooooth lines
If its french it was probably designed by Coco Chanel!  ;D

Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: A1_Phoenix on September 11, 2012, 07:32:37 PM
too much beauty, guys, why not something more.. ehm.. a bit less.. eye-pleasant?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v414/NoNNo_83/CivilVildePS.jpg)

(original screenshot here)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v414/NoNNo_83/th_CivilVilde.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v414/NoNNo_83/?action=view&current=CivilVilde.jpg)

it's a freakin' AN-2 lol

:D

S!
Andrea
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: The_Jester on September 11, 2012, 08:59:40 PM
That's not an AN-2, AN-2 was built using the rear portion of a license built C-47s fuselage. That's an early french plane I think.
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: Col. King on September 11, 2012, 09:43:17 PM
Bellinoo!! :)
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: max_thehitman on September 11, 2012, 10:17:48 PM


That looks very nice. It reminds me of the first passenger airplanes used right after WW1.

Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: farang65 on September 12, 2012, 04:59:21 AM
Hi Col. King,

Now you've gone and put things into my head.

Started thinking about a map NewYork with skycrapers spicifically for that scene from King Kong.

What biplanes were they weren't they a curtis of some kind painted up in the typical 30's silver yellow and cowl red schemes.?

Might have to ad one map in for this project he he

Kirby
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: A1_Phoenix on September 12, 2012, 05:05:33 AM
heheheh of course it's the updated Vildebeest Mk.III, but general lines and perceived dimensions reminds me the Colt :)

now we have a civil passenger plane :D tadaaah!
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: account abandoned on September 12, 2012, 05:09:08 AM
Hi Col. King,

Now you've gone and put things into my head.

Started thinking about a map NewYork with skycrapers spicifically for that scene from King Kong.

What biplanes were they weren't they a curtis of some kind painted up in the typical 30's silver yellow and cowl red schemes.?

Might have to ad one map in for this project he he

Kirby

I will answer for my husband, Col. King...
He was always one of the most enthusiastic fans of a US Map for IL-2, expecially San Francisco and New York cities. And he always kidding about recreating for IL-2 that famous scene from the film King Kong on the top of the Empire States Building, with aeroplanes attacking him. In his kidding he said he would like to see me as the blondie girl in the hands of Kong...
OK, I offer myself to play that role ;)
If someone wants to make a mod out of me I can provide some pictures of my younger days, when I was about 20... ;)
here only one. September 22nd, 1998. It was my 19th birthday. Some months before Douglas and I met.
(http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/424603_221821131278590_729157395_n.jpg)

I don't want to hijack the thread. Posting this only for "modding purposes" (and joking, obviously).
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: farang65 on September 12, 2012, 07:03:44 AM
Hi Lady Lara for Col. King.

So the secrets out he he.  :D ;)

Col King is a  huge King Kong fan from the sounds of it.

It's still in the reality of a Golden Age era.  ;D

Lots of other interesting ideas there for early 30's US style Army vehicles especially a drivable one like the jeep with a 30 cal mounted on the back.

Switch from flying a curtis to try and shoot Kong off the Empire State building from the street.

Kirby
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: Col. King on September 12, 2012, 08:09:08 AM
OMG!!!

I can't sleep more than usual, and someone starts "mischieffing". Laraaaa! You "bischera" ! 

Ok true, I really am a fan of King Kong and all those "pulp-fiction" style movies. I have a dvd copy of the first King Kong from 1933, and of course of the latest one. ( I despise the 1970ies trilogy, that was crap).

If I remember correctly, there was someone that started a SF map, a couple of years ago, but seems that project was dropped.  I see the same difficulties for an eventual NY map... But hope is the last thing to die....

I agree with you, Farang. It would be great to have some US maps to fly (we do have the Grand Canyon and Pensacola, but the lack of San Francisco and New York is really something "disturbing"). I really hope we'll get something in the future. Every dog needs a bone to chew, from time to time... :)
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: Helen-of-Sparta on September 12, 2012, 09:11:17 AM
No you must not to shoot him King Kong  :( i will sit on his shoulder with big chain gun and defended him from paper airplanes, they will see who is king for sure ;)
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: juanmalapuente on September 12, 2012, 01:58:19 PM

New York, New Yoooork!  :D

(http://www.sas1946.com/images/imageshit/dead/dead.gif) (http://www.sas1946.com/images/imageshit/dead/dead.gif)


(http://www.sas1946.com/images/imageshit/dead/dead.gif) (http://www.sas1946.com/images/imageshit/dead/dead.gif)



Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: The_Jester on September 12, 2012, 04:15:55 PM
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimery/559588161/sizes/l/in/set-72157600378914834/)
I do believe you mean this plane from King Kong? It's in the museum portion of Peter Jackson's Vintage Aviator Ltd. The museum is known as the Old Stick and Rudder Co. There are more photographs of this aircraft on Flickr, but this person has, by far the best collection of photos from the museum.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimery/sets/72157600378914834/

That by the way, is the replica Helldiver built for King Kong.
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: max_thehitman on September 12, 2012, 06:12:24 PM
AAHA!  8) You like old movies like King Kong? Welcome to the club man!
I am a HUGE fan of old vintage films, all sorts, but specially the old B-movies, of which the original
King Kong is also part of. Yeah, I also have it on DVD with the more recent Peter Jackson version.
They are still great fun to watch.
As for the late 1970´s version, I am also in agreement with you as it was not the best re-make. But a
guy must admit, that they tried their best at making the worlds largest fur-robot!!  ;D AAAHAHAHAH!
That thing was gigantic!
It was also a bit silly having the monkey climb the Twin Towers instead of
the classic Empire State building like in the first film too. Oh well, its another monkey movie.
Anyway,
Recent breakthroughs for the IL-2 modded game was that taller buildings and even tall skyscrapers
can now  be added to the cities you create on your maps. So a big city can be created now.
I am not sure who would have the patience and time on their hands to create a miniature New York City for
 a IL-2 map tho?? It is just one big big big city.
I used to live very close to the big apple. It will probably take you a few years to make a city that size for
this game. I am not even sure if the IL-2 game can handle a large amount of objects for such a landscape city
of this size.

If it´s possible then give it a try. Perhaps later someone will be able to make  big 3-d model of a gorilla and
a little 3-d model of Lara to play the part of the damsel in distress at the mercy of "Kong". :D

... and here is something that you might also like to see... Zeppelins. Many of them used to cross the NY city
coming from their journeys across the Atlantic and then after passing over the city, they flew to New Jersey just
across the river, and landed in a nearby zeppelin airfield.
On that airfield the Hindenburg blew up.
Maybe one day a zeppelin can be created for the IL-2 Golden Era of Aviation mod and also for the DBW-1916 mod-game.

Having seen the immense possibilities that this game can still have, anything is possible!

Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: RedSpade on September 12, 2012, 07:03:48 PM
I know this is off topic, but I would love to fly thru a mile long corridor made of NYC skyscrapers.  One twitch of the stick and you are history.  Very cool.  8)
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: Col. King on September 12, 2012, 07:34:46 PM
Well, Max and RedSpade. You both expressed in your latest posts what I do have deep in my heart.
and yes, I collect Pulp-fiction and "B" aviation movies... Just yesterday I watched "Pilot X - Murder in the sky". Quite a good old film, I have to say, with an acceptable plot.

Cheers
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: The_Jester on September 12, 2012, 09:33:31 PM
In the batman comic, "Ghost of the Killer Skies" Batman flies a Spad XIII against a Dr.I. If you ever get a chance to read it, do so.
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: Col. King on September 12, 2012, 09:50:00 PM
The SPAD XIII was one of the best Allied combat aircraft during the last two years of the WW1, and continued in service after the conflict, well into the 1920 decade, in many countries. It would be a very welcome plane for the Golden Age project.

Cheers

BTW, Verhangnis have the plane almost done, lacking slot and few other things. The 3d model is from Gabriel, a Brazilian modeller I know. The whole thing is now in the hands of Verhangnis, but I know he needs some help .
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: max_thehitman on September 12, 2012, 10:03:41 PM
AAHAHAHAH! Cool man  8) I dig those old flicks.
I never saw Pilot-X, but I will take a look at it in YouTube or some other website where I usually see films for free.
Those old films are alot of good fun. Very simple but very entertaining. Many of todays films are missing that part in them,
the "entertainment and adventure" part. They just fill up the movie time doing car chases, explosions and alot of crazy
fighting or gun shooting.
Some of the old films had something great for people to think about and remember in the years to come. I can still remember
alot of those old films, but if you ask me what film I saw last night on the internet, I probably wll not remember because it
was just some crazy crap as usual.

A few years back I started doing some flights in the IL-2 but without listening to music, but listening to the radio.
The old radio shows they had back then.
There was no TV, so pilots had to tune into a radio station and listen to pass the time in their
flights. So I download ALOT of radio shows from the 1920s -1930s and 1940s era. They are still free to download and Alot of great
fun to listen to. You will feel like you are actually flying in the ww2 and living that moment.
http://archive.org/details/oldtimeradio
Also,
 passenger airplanes did not have tvs or films to show. Well, some may have had a little reel-to-reel player and showed a
short film, but most had radios playing for the passengers to pass the time. So that is something diferent for you to try in your flights.
You really have to listen to how far these guys went to create sound effects to the stories they were telling on the radio and their
programs back in the 1930s. It is pretty amazing cool stuff.
 I am sure everyone already knows what happened when a good radio show is well made, such as "War of the worlds" with
Orson Welles back in 1938. Many people got killed listening to that radio show.
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: farang65 on September 13, 2012, 06:03:52 AM
Hi Col. King,

I'm with you on the Kong movies.

The orginal classic  ;) :D  :)

The seventies version    ??? :'( ??? :'(

The latest version  ;D 8) :)

Hey Red Spade your not thinking of kind of a skycraper circuit race but in Golden Age Aircraft

Cheers

Kirby
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: Col. King on September 13, 2012, 06:51:38 AM
I'll start to annoy A1_Phoenix with a list of planes we do already have in IL-2 for him to make new skins for the Golden Age project... One of them will for sure do as a biplane Helldiver from the King Kong movies...

Andreaaaa!!! Where are you, my brotherly friend? ;) I have something interesting for youuuu ( MWHAHAHA) ....
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: A1_Phoenix on September 13, 2012, 08:24:00 AM
and here i am :D tonight, final touches on our passenger plane (both land and hydro version)! hurray for the big ugly vildebeest!

did you have something in mind about a yellow winged Mercury Hart? :D
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: Col. King on September 13, 2012, 09:25:07 AM
Hmmm... YEP!
How did you guess? :D
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: A1_Phoenix on September 13, 2012, 10:38:18 AM
well.. to be honest if the mighty gorilla was defeated by beauty (of Ms.Darrow), only the mercury version -compared to kestrel ones- is LESS beautiful than a woman

and -by mere chance- seems the most passable stand-in for a generic US Navy two-seater

"I know my chickens" ;)

S!
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: Col. King on September 13, 2012, 12:24:32 PM
Hehehehe!!! Great!
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: A1_Phoenix on September 13, 2012, 06:38:32 PM
The first brick in Golden Age project is finally placed!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v414/NoNNo_83/GA_G-ALYY.jpg)

http://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,28495.0.html

Enjoy!

S!
Andrea
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: Col. King on September 13, 2012, 07:01:46 PM
AWESOME!!
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: The_Jester on September 13, 2012, 08:26:49 PM
And she floats! What a nice looking plane!
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: agracier on September 14, 2012, 12:59:31 AM
Beautiful adaptation of the Vildebeest ... I'm sure there will be many beautiful examples of other planes from this era ...
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: max_thehitman on September 14, 2012, 01:39:03 AM


BRAVO Andrea!!!  8) Fantastico!!


Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: A1_Phoenix on September 14, 2012, 02:22:51 AM
thank you guys! :) now i need only some civil schemes for the era! :D

but men.. that vickers is so ugly it's beautiful hehehe
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: Col. King on September 14, 2012, 05:22:17 AM
Here.. Interesting!!!

http://kriegdersterne77.deviantart.com/art/original-plane-model-of-the-1933-classic-KING-KONG-304269935

Cheers
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: The_Jester on September 14, 2012, 08:24:42 AM
Nice find! I remember that they had clear disks for propellers in the movie, but this one doesn't seem to have it?
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: Col. King on September 15, 2012, 06:08:33 AM
But for sure, the planes paintjob of the newest King Kong movie would be better, more accurate if referred to the time period depicted in the movie...

Cheers.
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: account abandoned on September 15, 2012, 06:11:49 AM
 :)

The planes in the latest King Kong movie are more colorful...  Were they real models, or computer made?
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: A1_Phoenix on September 15, 2012, 06:45:59 AM
just checked on youtube.

on jackson's film the planes have red tails and green cowling and chevron. of course canonical yellow top wing and nmf fuselage
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: A1_Phoenix on September 15, 2012, 06:50:12 AM
btw i don't know if is a real paint job.. it seems green parts aren't matched with a red tail.. but i'm not an expert on USN interwar colour codes
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: A1_Phoenix on September 15, 2012, 07:01:34 AM
ok, found the plane, seems it's real heheh

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b275/DragonflyDH90/helldiver.jpg)

tophatters? :D

S!
andrea
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: Col. King on September 15, 2012, 08:32:41 AM
Curtiss F8C Helldiver.   Was the US NAVY version of the Curtiss Falcon.
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: A1_Phoenix on September 15, 2012, 09:41:06 AM
guys, thanks to gio we have now the starting point for a two engined passenger plane! :)

http://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,28520.0/topicseen.html

skin hack for civil version will come soon!!! :D hurraaay!
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: Col. King on September 15, 2012, 09:32:16 PM
For FARANG:

Got your PM, can't answer that way because seems your PM Inbox is full.

Anyway, my answer is:    GREAT!! Yes, please! :D

Thank you!
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: farang65 on September 15, 2012, 10:44:42 PM
Thanks Col King,

Will delete some less importasnt mail.

Just working on a project with Bombsaway right now  :D

Cheers

Kirby
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: Ectoflyer on September 16, 2012, 02:26:03 AM
...thanks to gio we have now the starting point for a two engined passenger plane! :) ...

Hey, as passenger plane I would remember Ranwers' single engine Junkers, I think it's a nice "golden era"  aircraft  !  :P

http://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,26324.0.html
(http://www.sas1946.com/images/imageshit/dead/dead.gif)

it's a floatplane, but it's quite easy to transform it!   

(http://i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu357/Ectoflyer/junkerssingleengine.jpg)

And there's also the good old Dragon Rapid... :)

http://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,15817.0.html
(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm42/Mission_bug/DH-89.jpg)


.


Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: agracier on September 16, 2012, 02:49:53 AM
If I'm not mistaken the hack for the Junkers F-13 should also be classified as a Golden Age plane, it was after all developed just after the Great War, so it qualifies very well, even if it does look more modern in some ways   ... though it could use an update and a new template ...

http://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,10335.0.html
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: Col. King on September 16, 2012, 03:38:26 PM
Great, Gentlemen!

keep 'em coming!

cheers
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: RealDarko on September 18, 2012, 05:37:14 AM
quite easy to transform it!   
(http://i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu357/Ectoflyer/junkerssingleengine.jpg)

Can we have that with the Ju52 radial engine, bombs and the upper fuselage gunner? As the Junkers K43!!

(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b212/Capitanstratos/2-20.jpg)

(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b212/Capitanstratos/1-20.jpg)
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: Col. King on September 18, 2012, 07:37:45 AM
nice idea!
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: juanmalapuente on September 18, 2012, 12:50:00 PM
quite easy to transform it!   

Can we have that with the Ju52 radial engine, bombs and the upper fuselage gunner? As the Junkers K43!!

Actually, K-43 was a military version of W-34, with the dorsal turret. Ranwers' single engine Junkers is much larger.
Skipper's F-13 is really more similar to W-34, not only because of the radial engine, but also for the wings, tail and fuselage shape. So you should modify F-13 mod to add the turret, may be deleting the cowling and voila! the K-34.

Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: max_thehitman on September 20, 2012, 09:13:49 PM
Thank you for the tip about the Dragon-Rapide. I completely missed that post.
http://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,15817.0.html
Cool plane!
That aircraft really needs a few more skins, in civilian and military versions.

Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: A1_Phoenix on September 21, 2012, 02:04:37 AM
i hadn't noticed the updated DH! i can give it a try! :D
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: Col. King on September 23, 2012, 08:03:57 PM
 ;D

Just few screenshots to show the great skinning skills of my brotherly friend Andrea Giacometti, aka A1_Phoenix.

S.62 in our Hell's Devils / Diavoli dell'Inferno livery and markings. The "Vacca Ubriaca" is the plane reserved to our Eddieprophet Vincetti, who wants to show his "love" for the SAS adopting the SAS Cow as noseart. "Vacca Ubriaca" means "Drunken Cow".

Hope you like!
(http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/s720x720/644562_202977469835301_1496560818_n.jpg)

(http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/2864_202977859835262_935088284_n.jpg)

(http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/564387_202978276501887_64198893_n.jpg)

(http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/564387_202978279835220_745249040_n.jpg)

Thank you, Andrea!!
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: A1_Phoenix on September 24, 2012, 03:15:16 AM
hahahaahahah maybe a bit modern but very funny nose art! :D
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: The_Jester on September 25, 2012, 04:02:31 PM
Is that your Ground Attack plane? It's very sharp.
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: Col. King on September 25, 2012, 04:20:51 PM
Yes, the Diavoli dell'Inferno (Hell's Devils) do use the Savoia Marchetti S.62 as bomber and recce. Three onboard our ship, the "Pandora"...

Other planes are the Macchi M.33F-T (or Savoia S.21 depending how do you prefer to call it), a small production batch, and an Autogyro.

All planes with manually folding wings, normally stowed in the capable holds of the ship. Ship derricks (cranes) used to operate them, as the Pandora is not an aircraft carrier, but a big transport vessel adapted as a seaplane carrier, with hidden guns and torpedo tubes.

It's all in a good "Golden Age" pulp fiction what if style. :)
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: A1_Phoenix on September 25, 2012, 06:38:57 PM
sorry for my absence guys :) i was concentrate on some hurris in these days :)

anyway i've just got archie1971 template for the Mercury Hart! oversized silverbacks, be prepared.. ;) tophatters are coming!
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: The_Jester on September 26, 2012, 06:55:59 AM
I see you're a fan of old crimson skies. How are the M.33s at strafing? I can't imagine any seaplane being adequate in the ground attack role.
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: A1_Phoenix on September 26, 2012, 07:17:55 AM
hehehe with a little modify.. ;) are you familiar with "Becker Type M2" concept? ;D
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: The_Jester on September 26, 2012, 10:13:21 AM
I was thinking about 30 mm cannon. Some early British interwar aircraft prototypes were worked out to carry 30mm and 40mm cannon. So, a mod would certainly be feasible.
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: A1_Phoenix on September 26, 2012, 10:39:18 AM
almost :D we stretched a bit more the reality and got a 2x20mm Becker autocannon (cfr. Rise of Flight Weapons Mods on Albatros D.II - video below- first starting point to late 30's MGFFs) loadout option :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXl4UWpI54w mate, that was 1916!
(Disclaimer: No operational use in WWI on fighter planes, some limited testing carried out from 1916 to conflict end, no sincronization possible, well prone to jamming, 5-rounds clips.. we must work A LOT on it hehehe)


Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: Col. King on September 26, 2012, 10:46:05 AM
Here a brief description of our Macchi M.33....

The "Macchi M.33F_T" .

It is a fictional "name", to hide the fact this type was secretly build for our use (only 20 of them built). They are called as Macchi M.33 to appear as if they are a variant of the true M.33 racing flying boat.



Armament: normally 2 x 7,7mm machineguns, but with the option of 2 x 20mm autocannons SEMAG L type, wich was a 1920 developement of the Becker autocannon. (Later, SEMAG was bought by Oerlikon, and the L type cannon evoluted in what become the MGFF 20mm cannon used on the Messerschmitt Bf.109)
 
The M.33 have no bombs racks.

A very sturdy plane, with a good protection for the pilot (two steel plates forward and back of the cockpit), and a protection for the fuel tank.

Very good autonomy...
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: The_Jester on September 26, 2012, 12:00:56 PM
No bomb racks? What about 1x20, 1x7,7, 1x overwing/under engine 7,7mm?
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: Col. King on September 28, 2012, 04:39:41 AM
No bomb racks? What about 1x20, 1x7,7, 1x overwing/under engine 7,7mm?

Mmmm... Looks too dispersive to me... 2x20mm is better. Great punch... We do actually have the choice between 2x7,7mm and 2x20mm.

:D
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: The_Jester on September 28, 2012, 07:57:06 AM
This is true. Man I wish I had the time to download these and give them a whirl.
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: Col. King on September 28, 2012, 08:31:00 AM
:)   Do like me... make yourself the time you need... Even if only little of it, it's always worth!

Cheers
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: The_Jester on September 29, 2012, 08:59:54 PM
Well, I've managed to bludgeon out a little time for myself...rebuilding my install. I've found my new computer handles IL2 on full at a nice clip where my old desktop would act as if I'd just thrust upon her a burden far greater than computing pi out to the last digit.
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: Col. King on October 01, 2012, 07:31:02 PM
I always feel well and happy when my advices are helpful. :)
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: The_Jester on October 01, 2012, 07:56:55 PM
Hahaha. Well, it was short lived. Got two tests this week. Curse chemistry.
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: account abandoned on October 04, 2012, 07:33:17 PM
While reading a magazine, few days ago, I saw a picture of a Macchi-Castoldi MC 72 seaplane racer. It was all red and gold, a beautiful plane.

We have the Macchi 202 seaplane. Maybe with a red and gold skin it can be faked into a similar racer?
I told my husband about this idea, and he agreed with me it would be nice.

Maybe Andrea can do the miracle? I promise, no need to make a pink MC 72 for me...  :D

(http://www.air-racing-history.com/aircraft/images2/22.jpg)

(http://www.hobbysta.pl/sklep_obrazki/s/smer0813_1.jpg)

 
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: The_Jester on October 04, 2012, 08:51:07 PM
Most probably it could, but it's twin engine contraprop. Those tan bits on the floats are the cooling mats. I don't know if a contra prop has ever been modeled in il2, but this would be a better plane to do it with seeing as the props could be modeled independently.
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: Col. King on October 05, 2012, 09:11:39 AM
If I'm not wrong, there is a Spitfire with contra-rotating propeller, here in Il-2.

But anyway, the MC.202 can do for an earlier italian Schneider Trophy racer of similar structure, with single engine and normal prop.  Like the Macchi M.39, M.52, M.67, all very similar.

Macchi M.39
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/Macchi_M.39.jpg/200px-Macchi_M.39.jpg)

Macchi M.52
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Macchi_M.52.jpg/200px-Macchi_M.52.jpg)

Macchi M.67
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/Macchi_M.67_right_2009-06-06.jpg/200px-Macchi_M.67_right_2009-06-06.jpg)



Cheers
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: A1_Phoenix on October 05, 2012, 09:24:58 AM
i know, i know, guys ;D
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: A1_Phoenix on October 05, 2012, 07:14:18 PM
returning to a quick hint some pages ago..

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v414/NoNNo_83/CurtissUSN1930.jpg)

that makes sense, could be convincing, i say

S!
Andrea
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: Col. King on October 05, 2012, 07:51:50 PM
returning to a quick hint some pages ago..

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v414/NoNNo_83/CurtissUSN1930.jpg)

that makes sense, could be convincing, i say

S!
Andrea

HELL YEAH!!
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: The_Jester on October 06, 2012, 08:54:21 PM
Nice job mate. Too bad I can't scroll enough to see it on my phone.
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: account abandoned on October 09, 2012, 05:15:35 AM
 ;D
Now we need the markings, and of course, the Superstar: Kong.

Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: Mick on October 09, 2012, 07:00:06 AM
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g157/micksaf/maccim67iu2.jpg)
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: A1_Phoenix on October 09, 2012, 07:48:52 AM
above picture rated R for explicit sexual material
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: The_Jester on October 09, 2012, 04:41:42 PM
Damn.
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: Col. King on October 09, 2012, 04:50:23 PM
above picture rated R for explicit sexual material

Where is my medicine?.... I need my medicine.....
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: juanmalapuente on October 09, 2012, 05:02:45 PM
Sexual, I don't know...sexy, sure!
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: RedSpade on October 09, 2012, 07:20:31 PM
Sexy, yes.  But I bet it is really difficult to see on take offs and landings. 
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: woofiedog on October 09, 2012, 10:52:03 PM
A few photos I took of air racers and a couple of the other aircraft they have on display from an area museum.

Granville Brothers Gee Bee R-1 Supersportster

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/woofiedog/Air%20Museum/Picture021-4.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/woofiedog/Air%20Museum/Picture017-7.jpg)

Laird LC-DW 300 'Solution'

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/woofiedog/Air%20Museum/Picture025-9.jpg)

Marcoux-Bromberg R-3

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/woofiedog/Air%20Museum/Picture020-11.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/woofiedog/Air%20Museum/Picture024-4.jpg)

Sikorsky S-39 amphibian

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/woofiedog/Air%20Museum/Picture075-2.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/woofiedog/Air%20Museum/Picture041-4.jpg)

Gee Bee Model A

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/woofiedog/Air%20Museum/Picture005-15.jpg)

And one more... 1936 Cord 810 Phaeton

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/woofiedog/Air%20Museum/Picture002-17.jpg)
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: farang65 on October 09, 2012, 11:43:55 PM
I.m sure there was a Gee Bee available at one stage.

I remember downloading it.

Will have a look in all my files  ;D

Cheers Kirby
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: A1_Phoenix on October 10, 2012, 02:16:56 AM
Sexual, I don't know...sexy, sure!

mere details ;D

Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: Col. King on October 10, 2012, 06:25:42 AM
I.m sure there was a Gee Bee available at one stage.

I remember downloading it.

Will have a look in all my files  ;D

Cheers Kirby


True, there was a skin depicting that Gee Bee. It was done for the I-16.

Cheers
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: asheshouse on October 10, 2012, 02:21:56 PM
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff113/Asheshouse/supermarineS6B-1.jpg)
The first aircraft profile publication I ever got was for this.
These days it does not look so grand, squeezed into an upper floor gallery in the London Science Museum.
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: Col. King on October 11, 2012, 10:53:48 AM
A1_Phoenix is in charge of this thread, from NOW. Andrea, please, go on on the path I started.

Thank you.
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: A1_Phoenix on October 11, 2012, 11:15:35 AM
ok guys, the Reign of Terror officially begins mwahahahahaah

no ok i'm kidding of course guys :)

well, i'm happy to see some last posts here are gone now and i hope no problems will follow :)

now for the business:
some skins suggestions are currently in wip situation, and i want to thanks a lot everyone could have suggested an idea or a concept an so on.. :)
 
i have in hand a "generic" USN 1930 biplace (the Mercury Hart from SCW crew), i'm thinking about hacking solution for the M.202 seaplane, although i find the pontoons placement a bit "off" (too central imho).

there is a Franken Curtiss Condor on FM wich i want examine as soon possible, but it has .tga wings.. wonder if some remap could be possible (has a dc-3 base)

:)

stay tuned and give us mone... eh.. suggestions if you want!  :D

S!
Andrea
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: Col. King on October 11, 2012, 12:56:43 PM
OK leaving for few days... Hope to be back on monday day 15.
Cheers
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: farang65 on October 21, 2012, 05:09:23 AM
g col king

your inbox says you can;t receive messages

are you full.

wish to pm you

Kirby
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: Blumax on October 21, 2012, 05:25:06 AM
See M4T for Col King  ;)
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: LuseKofte on October 21, 2012, 06:52:10 AM
Is it any member in here doing something with this topic. It might not have any sense anymore.
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: The_Jester on October 21, 2012, 03:31:30 PM
I really wish I could expand the list of aircraft I started, but for now, I think it may be dead. We shall see now that's it's got a few posts.
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: A1_Phoenix on October 22, 2012, 02:36:20 AM
hi guys :) no time for il2-related work last week, but i'm still working on some skins :)

of course, some skin hacks it's all i can offer in this moment :(
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: juanmalapuente on October 22, 2012, 02:52:48 AM
I think it would be a pity to delete this thread. Even though Col. King is gone, many people are still interested in this topic and could make some contribution. It's still a "young" thread anyway, let's give it some more time.
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: Yamato1945 on October 25, 2012, 12:30:39 PM
...thanks to gio we have now the starting point for a two engined passenger plane! :) ...

Hey, as passenger plane I would remember Ranwers' single engine Junkers, I think it's a nice "golden era"  aircraft  !  :P

http://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,26324.0.html
(http://www.sas1946.com/images/imageshit/dead/dead.gif)

 
































































(http://i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu357/Ectoflyer/junkerssingleengine.jpg)


Please where can I download this plane? Expecially interested in the wheeled version...

Thank you
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: Ectoflyer on October 25, 2012, 01:09:01 PM
time ago I asked to a modder making classfiles if he could make a slot for this...must be patient  :)
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: A1_Phoenix on October 29, 2012, 04:11:10 AM
well, it seems i have another skinning target heheheh
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: propnut27 on October 29, 2012, 07:37:54 PM
I've seen inquiries about dirigibles turn up occasionally with regard to WW1. I think that many would like to explore the US Navy Rigids of the 1930s, the Akron and the Macon. These babies were jynormous, around 900 feet long, and carried 5 Curtiss F9C Sparrowhawk fighters, (beautiful little bird in the their own right), internally.

Unlike the blimps we are familiar with today, these badboys had 8 Maybach engines, and could motor along at over 70 mph.

Some time ago I found a little CGI clip on Youtube which conveys a little of the majesty of these airships. Type in "Akron Out of the Clouds" and see if it doesn't stir some interest.
Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: max_thehitman on October 29, 2012, 08:53:00 PM


AH! Yes, I listen to Led Zeppelin all the time. Great band, one of my favourites  8)

Title: Re: The "Golden Age" of Aviation (1920 - 1935)
Post by: Asso di Spade - Ace of Spades on April 26, 2014, 12:23:55 AM
I think this thread needs a little "bump".

Lot of new planes were added lately, thanking the selfless work of lot of Modders (Heartly thank you all, fine people!), but there are still many more planes of the "Golden Age" that  deserves  to be thrown in.

Thank you, and keep 'em coming!