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Individual Mods and Packs for IL-2 1946 => Other Mods => Ships => Topic started by: Gofo on January 10, 2012, 05:15:43 AM
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Hi all,
as most part of you will imagine, building the Tennessee did not cost a great effort to me ;), nevertheless I thought that she “had” to be realised for filling the USN order of battle (specially for the mission-makers, another “real” sitting duck for a Tora Tora Tora scenario). But don’t worry, others are coming… ::)
(http://www.sas1946.com/images/imageshit/img189/4940/h50770.jpg)
The class was made of two ships, USS Tennessee BB 43 and USS California BB 44; these ships were the first American battleships built to a "post-Jutland" hull design, retaining the New Mexico-class boats clipper bow but showing a larger bridge, two smaller stacks and discarding all secondary battery recesses in hull. As a result of extensive experimentation and testing, their underwater hull protection was much greater than that of previous battleships; both her main and secondary batteries had fire-control systems.
These ships had not been modernised at the outbreak of Pacific War, just some improvement in AA armament and they (and the three Colorado vessels) still kept the distinctive cage masts, typical feature of all dreadnought and “super dreadnought” USN ships.
Both were anchored along the battleship row on December 7, 1941. Whereas the California was sunk during the attack, the Tennessee was stricken by two bombs, suffering slight damage.
During repair, in early 1942, Tennessee had her cage mainmast replaced by a small tower control, as that eventually fitted on Colorado and Maryland. Once re-entered service she was used to patrol the western US coast until August of that year.
Tennessee joined the Solomon Islands and participated to the Guadalcanal operation for a very short time.
In late August, the Tennessee sailed for the Puget Sound Navy yard having been selected for a radical modernization, the same to which were eventually submitted her sister ship and the West Virginia.
Emerging from the navy yard on 7 May 1943, the Tennessee bore virtually no resemblance to her former self.
During the hostilities, Tennessee participated to several pre-invasion bombardment and had the honour to participate to the last battleship to battleship fight of the history, the Surigao Strait battle.
Theatres of operation:
Pearl Harbour
Kiska (Aleutian Islands)
Tarawa
Kwajalein
Eniwetok
Kavieng
Saipan
Guam
Tinian
Anguam
Leyte
Surigao Strait
Iwo Jima
Okinawa
She was placed out of commission on 14 February 1947, and sold for scrapping on 10 July 1959.
The Tennessee received ten battle stars for her World War II service.
Some Technical Data and Features
USS Tennessee BB 43
Built by New York Naval Yard.
Laid down 14 May 1917, launched 30 April 1919, commissioned 3 June 1920.
Main features (as built):
Displacement: 32,300 tons normal; 36,450 tons full load
Dimensions: 624 x 97.3 x 31 feet/190.2 x 29,72 x 9,4 meters
Propulsion: Turbo-electric, 8 285 psi boilers, 4 shafts, 28,600 shp, 21 knots
Crew: 1080
Armour: 8 -13.5 inch belt (203 -343 mm), 3.5 inch decks (89 mm), 4.5 -13 inch barbettes (114 -330 mm), 5 -18 inch turrets (127 -457 mm), 4 -16 inch CT (102 -406 mm)
Aviation: none (Catapults fitted in 1924)
Armament: 4 triple 14"/50 cal, 14 5"/51cal, 4 3"/50 cal AA, 2 21 inch torpedo tubes (submerged)
Armament at the time of Pearl Harbour’s attack :
4 triple 14"/50 cal, 12 single 5"/51cal, 8 single 5"/25 cal AA, 4 quadruple 1.1”/75 cal AA, 5 to 8 0.50 Browning AA Mgs.
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If you don’t dislike her, these are the download links.
a new and final version is available at...
download from 4Shared - http://www.4shared.com/rar/5xxCIJUf/USSTennessee.html
or
download from Mediafire (Thank to Gerax) - https://www.mediafire.com/?p5m7f5015ib5dcs
some minor changes to the texture to avoid the little bug reported by Western.
This can be taken into account as the "official" release
my regards
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Credit:
Gofo: 3D model, mapping and texturing
asheshouse: classfiles and priceless tutoring (and endless patience too…)
Installation procedure is quite simple and fully detailed in the Readme file within the USS Tennessee’s folder.
=== This Mod was initially created for the 4.10 but it's working even on 4.09 ===
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Hi!
Great mod and great ship!
I hope that you don't bother if in the future I'll try to sink her on Pearl!
:)
Anyway as reported from me here: http://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,20755.msg225529.html#msg225529 you can change the icon to 409/410 because she's fully 409 compatible!
All the best!
walter
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Another great job.
Pearl Harbour has never looked better.
Ashe
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hi Walter,
glad to hear the good news, I already amended the Nota Bene.
If only I knew how to change the left-hand icon... :(
Gianni
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hi Walter,
glad to hear the good news, I already amended the Nota Bene.
If only I knew how to change the left-hand icon... :(
Gianni
I believe that on the first post , since you have done it , you can click on modify and change the icon in the topic title....
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done, thanks for the tip ;)
Gianni
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Grazie a te per il...i capolavori!!!
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Another work of art from Gofo's shipyard! Many thanks, 8)
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Awesome work here!!! I've been playing a lot of War in the Pacific Admiral Edition lately and these BB's have figured prominently in the fighting thus far, seeing as it's only March 19, 1942 in game. Yes, I played the scenario where Pearl wasn't a surprise attack, getting the day of Dec 7th to get CAP on station and send my entire fleet of warships south to escape. Left a few ships of ok value at pearl to attract Japanese attention, and the ruse worked perfectly. Now I get to wargame the early pacific conflict with a fully intact BB fleet AND my 5 carriers (by 3/19/42 anyways) in service.
Many of these battles I fight in WitP:AE I intend to model in IL2, and I wouldn't be able to do so without the efforts of our ship builders here at SAS. The pacific naval war is being fleshed out nicely by all of you folks, and you have my deepest thanks.
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Another great job.
Pearl Harbour has never looked better.
Ashe
Definitely! ;D
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh14/bwf_pics/Grab%20Bag/BattleshipRow_02.jpg)
Great Work Gofo, Thanks! 8)
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Hello,
can you give us template for this great mode? It's look for me to blue and white.
P.S. This is USS Arizona
(http://profilemorskie.home.pl/Sylwetki/PM_110.jpg)
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Nice work Gofo - thanks very much for this addition & making Pearl Harbor more realistic. Really great to have all these new ship builders around to add to Asheshouse previous one man ship yard. With Wester0221 & Diving_Hawk, hopefully we will have a capital ship for all the major nations.
Christmas just doesn't seem to end 8)
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Hi Gofo!
I find a little bug in Tennessee.
2nd catapult's back face
(http://art61.photozou.jp/pub/290/2437290/photo/129902907.jpg) (http://photozou.jp/photo/photo_only/2437290/129902907)
is unmapped when it's damaged.
(http://art52.photozou.jp/pub/290/2437290/photo/129902919.jpg) (http://photozou.jp/photo/photo_only/2437290/129902919)
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hi all,
a new and final version is available at
http://www.4shared.com/rar/5xxCIJUf/USSTennessee.html (http://www.4shared.com/rar/5xxCIJUf/USSTennessee.html)
some change to the texture to avoid the little bug reported by Western. This can be taken into account as the "official" release 8)
my regards
Gianni
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Hi Gofo,
I would love to download this ship, except I am required to create an account to download any files at 4shared. Is there a possibilty to up;oad to site that does not require membership?
Thank you,
C2
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Hello Gofo :)
Can you upload the ship on mediafire?
Thanks
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Thanks Gianni! She sails in SAS ModAct 4.0
(http://www.sas1946.com/images/imageshit/img189/7964/20130310at034838.jpg)
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Can someone upload this to a different provider, I can't get 4Shared to work to save my life.
Thanks
Hoss
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mediafire is good for you?
Version from yesterday, see Gofo's post #13 above.
https://www.mediafire.com/?p5m7f5015ib5dcs (https://www.mediafire.com/?p5m7f5015ib5dcs)
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Yes, Thank you Gerax :)
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mediafire is good for you?
Version from yesterday, see Gofo's post #13 above.
https://www.mediafire.com/?p5m7f5015ib5dcs (https://www.mediafire.com/?p5m7f5015ib5dcs)
Thanks, SAS~Gerax. Can you do the same with newest Gofo's Colorado-class from this post?
http://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,20755.msg357029.html#msg357029
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done. ;)
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thank you very much
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Downloaded no problem from 4Shared - as registered user.
Click the button labelled "Download", then click "Free Download", wait 20 secs, then download link appears.
The latest download link should be copied into the first post though.
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THANK YOU Gofo Gianni for a great battleship mod! It is beautiful! 8) Congratulations!
I have changed your first post to include the recent download links available for
you final release of this ship. Just so people dont get confused why the old link was not working.
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HSFX6 already has earlier versions of Tennessee and Colorado included.
If installing these new versions then look for the existing text entries in ships.ini
Disable the lines for extra guns which appear after the line //Hsfx Multi Turret
Otherwise you will see the ships in FMB but they will be frozen when you run the mission.
The alternative if you are to keep the Mullti-Gun Turret function is to add Shellstart Hooks to the relevant Gun*.msh files, instead of disabling the lines in ships.ini
I've not worked out the text entries for that yet, but if the older version was extracted from SFS files it would be as used in those.
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the Tennessee in Monty's ??? and since it was disbanded in 59, did it get SAMS ? later ? thanks .....
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USS Tennessee was moth balled after WWII and did not receive any weapon upgrades.
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works in 4.12
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USS Tennessee works good in 4.12.2/SAS ModAct 5.30.
USS Tennessee in Pearl Harbour.
(http://www.sas1946.com/images/imageshit/img35/642/w9uz.jpg) (http://www.sas1946.com/images/imageshit/download/35/w9uz.jpg)
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hello it works in 4.13.2 / SAS Modact 6.2
thank you so much for this wonder
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As reference: The mod works also with the last patch ( 4.13.4m ) and SAS without any problem.
The model is very nice but to be used in Pearl Harbour maps you need to create a new skin for the ship because the navy blue one used in the mod was applied to the ship only from 1943 onward.
The correct paint scheme for 1941 is this ( see image below )
(https://s26.postimg.cc/iv03ndpcp/tennese.png)
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Your image is of Measure 1.
The Pacific Fleet at Pearl Harbor was conducting considerable experimentation in 1941 with different colors and measures.
In September 1941, the current color schemes Measures 1 through 8 were abolished and four new schemes promulgated in a revised edition of SHIPS-2 but by the time of the Pearl Harbor attack most of the Pacific Fleet were still testing variations of Measure 1A using Sea Blue, later adopted as Measure 11, Measure 1B using Sapphire Blue and Measure 1C using Navy Blue, later adopted as Measure 21. Some ships were still wearing dark gray Measure 1
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UNITED STATES PACIFIC FLEET
BATTLESHIPS, BATTLE FORCE
U.S.S. MARYLAND, Flagship
CONFIDENTIAL Pearl Harbor, T.H.,
CLIPPER/ MAIL December 6, 1941
(pencilled note: Rec 15 Dec via Clipper Airmail)
Dear Commander,
This will give you some early information on the progress of our current experiments in camouflage painting in this Fleet, and perhaps enable you to act in advance of receipt of the official report, which will not be forwarded until late in January 1942.
The sapphire blue apparently will do all that is claimed for it, and is color fast. However, adherence is only fair to poor, and some slight gloss has developed upon weathering. If these two defects could be overcome, it might be the answer, at least as far as air observation is concerned.
The graded systems are definitely out. They are as visible from the air as light gray, as was expected from previous tests.
Indications to date are that Measure 11 of Ships 2, utilizing formula 5S, is too light. Cinclant’s "Navy blue" looks like a step in the right direction, and we are directing that one ship of each type be painted "Navy blue" to permit comparative service tests.
We have one destroyer painted "Navy blue", and from observations made thus far, it is possible that a color underway between "navy blue" and formula 5D might be required. If so, do you know of any objections to mixing 5TM and 5U in the proportions of 20 pints of the former to 5 gallons of the latter? It is possible that such a large proportion of tinting paste to untinted base may be detrimental to the adherence, resistance to weathering and other qualities of the mixed paint.
In closing, it is our opinion that it is very desirable that we undertake further tests of sapphire blue on at least one ship of each type at as early a date as the paint can be made available here by the Bureau.
Yours sincerely,
Copy: Comdr. D.H. Clark
Cincpac Material Officer. Richard Mandelkorn
Lt.Comdr. H. A. Ingram
Bureau of Ships,
Navy Department,
Washington, D.C.
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Certainly some tests were ongoing at that time in prevision of the report you mentioned above. Somehow, at least checking at the National Archive ( Navy Historical Center ) the Tennessee didn't adopt " officially "the M21 Navy blue system until mid/late1942.
In addition if you check the images of the battleship row during the attack you will notice that the horizontal surfaces are not painted in Deck Blue 20-B as instead the M21 regulamentation indicates.
Quote " Wood decks except on submariines and carriers shall be darkened to the colour Deck Blue. Deck Blue paint shall be used in lieu of stain for this purpose ".
At least looking at the aerial images took during the attack none of the battleships seems to have the deck painted in blue deck paint ( that it's pretty recognisable in B&W images because is displayed quite dark on the images of interest ).
Last but not least if you check also the only original film in colours available about the attack, took by one Japanese pilot and then captured by US troops at the end of the war, the few frames available clearly display that none of the ships has any blue color applied ( at least on the morning of the infamous attack )
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M21 was not adopted till 1942 so it has no bearing on the issue. The Pacific Fleet was in Measure 1 (unpainted wood decks except for carrier decks) Dark Gray (5-D) overall except for Light Gray (5-L) structures above the stack tops when it began the color testing. The only change to the battleships was Sapphire Blue in place of Dark Gray except for Division markings on the turret tops. 5 destroyers were also in the color test along with an un-referenced number of submarines.
The orders to use Measure 11 Sea Blue (5-S) overall, with horizontal surfaces (including wooden portions) painted Deck Blue (20-B). All visible canvas boat covers, tarpaulins and windscreens to be dyed in a color to match Deck Blue, was only made on 13 September 1941, a little less than 90 days before the attack. As late as 6 December PacFleet was still sending color test recommendations to the War Department.
Until May 1940, the Battle Fleet was stationed primarily at San Diego and had only been officially flagged in Hawaii in February 1941. Pearl Harbor was still lacking in a lot of ship support facilities. The Measure 11 paints were still in production/transit for many bases.
Be careful on photographs which appear in colors. In common usage, a color photograph usually denotes a picture taken with color capable film, a colored photograph can be a Black/White picture that has had color added by a person or process that is not always accurate.
This article explores the issue and contains pics of above water structures before removal.
http://www.mikeashey.com/SHIP%20PROJECT%20PDFS/ARTICLE-BATTLESHIP-COLORS-AT-PEARL-HARBOR.pdf
(https://s8.postimg.cc/3od0kukv9/battleshipcolors.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
(https://s8.postimg.cc/pnjf82out/USSarizona_Colors.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
If you look at the B/W pics of the Tennessee at Pearl Harbor you will note the structures above the stacks are lighter than the other vertical surfaces. If they had been as the pic you posted, Measure 1, all upper structures would have been overall grey. Clearly there was a color difference so at the best Measure 1 can be ruled out. This leaves some color of Measures 1A,1B or 1C which used Navy Blue, Sea Blue or Sapphire Blue.
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As you know the Blue\Gray debate it's a pretty never ending story between the two " factions ".
Somehow I tend to prefer the " gray " theory because most of the " blue " theory supporters base their statements on assumptions, anecdotes and " what if " theories in my opinion.
In addition a personal thought that makes me not " trust " a lot the paint scheme you posted in the table above...I can hardly believe that if they were discussing so hardly about the possible camouflage schemes to be used to render less visible the ships to the enemy ( see your previous extract in reply #32 ) then they decide to paint the upper side of the turrets roofs in insigna red ( if so was probably better to add the writing " Hit\Bomb here! " in phosphorescent yellow on the turret roofs instead of using the insigna red :D :D :D )
In my opinion, despite the order given in September 1941 to adopt the Measure 11, the battleships, due to the considerable time lag between the issuance of new instructions, the paint being manufactured and distributed and ships actually being repainted were still wearing the dark gray Measure 1.
Here follows one of the pics that ( for me ) sustain the " gray " theory about the battleships paintscheme.
(https://i.postimg.cc/0Q5SkD8S/Neosho.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xk78gkNj)
In this image you can see the USS Neosho (AO-23), cautiously backs away from her berth (right center) in a effort to escape the Japanese attack.
At left the battleship USS California (BB-44) lists after aerial blows. Other crippled warships and part of the hull of the capsized USS Oklahoma (BB-37) may be seen in the background.
The important thing ( for me ) in this pic is the USS Neosho...The USS Neosho in fact was not wearing any particular paint scheme and, as you can see, is clearly painted in Dark Gray (5-D)...note that it matches perfectly the apparent colour of of the battleship USS California hull and also the one of the USS Maryland ( the ship on the side of the already capsized USS Oklahoma...
Another pic...
(https://i.postimg.cc/G3KRNfgz/USS_North_Carolina_May_1941.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
This is a colour pic of the USS North Carolina in May 1941 wearing Measure 1...Note how it's easy to confuse the Dark Gray (5-D) and the Light Gray (5-L) for some kind of blue colour...imagine to add smokes, fires, low visibility, shades, particular pic angles and light conditions, a pic took in black and white and so on and you can easily imagine how the battleships could easily become " Blue " all of a sudden... ( below you can see the same image changed in B&W with a bit of light shades applied )
(https://i.postimg.cc/52NSgXYn/USS_North_Carolina_May_1941_2.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Et voila'! The vertical structures are now become " blue " and the structures above the stack tops are now of a nice white colour and the ship now wears a perfect Measure 11!
I agree with you that some ships were making some tests about the new paint schemes ( the future Measure 11 ) but the battleships were most probably ( a good 90% in my opinion ) still wearing the dark gray Measure 1 during the Japanese attack at Pearl Harbour.
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...and here is the video that I was mentioning before...note that is not a B&W coloured video but it's a copy of the original one shoot in colours ( the only one known available ) recorded by CWO4 Clyde Daughtry the day of the attack.
As you can see there are not any " blue " battleship...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=84&v=3e99lfmmDN0
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New battleship grey suit for the Tennessee?
(https://i.postimg.cc/BQ6gP63q/Ten.png)
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Hi Andy, I like it - closer to the actual Pearl Harbour colour, IMHO. All you have to do now is paint the turret tops correctly ;D
PM sent with two interesting links, as am not sure I can publicly post them.
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not possible as all turrets are looking the same.
Maybe generically, all white tops would be possible....
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not possible as all turrets are looking the same.
Maybe generically, all white tops would be possible....
Pity. However they might look good with all tops painted, even if not strictly historically correct.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/fTRDJkKW/Ten2.png)
It's a generic type ship anyway as we don't have all the paint jobs for all the ships...
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Very nice...
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Much improved, looks great!
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here are the files
outdated link
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It looks very good many thanks for your work!
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Good job. Thank you so much!
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I think it comes out a tad too bright that way.
I also reestablished the white high sections
(https://i.postimg.cc/3Jm8bXsS/Ten3.png)[
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Thank you for an excellent repaint! I have downloaded the repaint files but could you please tell me where I need to put them? This is in BAT 4.1.3.
:)
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3do/ships/USSTennesseeBB43_41
but you'll get this soon in BAT anyway
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here's the v2 from post #47
https://www.mediafire.com/file/nzhzihhxtodylav/USSTennesseeBB43_41_grey_v2.zip/file
(https://i.postimg.cc/3Jm8bXsS/Ten3.png)
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Very nice, andy.
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You can even make it the USSBBGeneric...it's rather easy to get that one back into the game to get some backward compatibility for older campaigns without the need to replace the Generic for each and every mission...
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...just a quick thank you for your reply in Reply #49 :)
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Question: how to get this gray-ish texture in the Arizona and Colorado models, as show in the pictures? Because the only folder that exists in the link is for the Tennessee model.
Its just copy the textures and drop them in each ships folders?
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just copy the textures and drop them in each ships folders?
No, these textures are for the Tennessee model.
Here are re-paints for Gofo's Arizona and Colorado that were done some time back.
I do not remember who did them and was unable to find the original thread that they
were posted in. I think that vampire_pilot may be the author.
IAC, here they are:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/ghecwnu4zq4k1sg/New_Skins_for_Gofo%2527s_Arizona%2526Colorado.rar/file
Cheers
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These ships look very good.Thanks for sharing.
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https://www.mediafire.com/file/ghecwnu4zq4k1sg/New_Skins_for_Gofo%2527s_Arizona%2526Colorado.rar/file
Thxs for the link!! Now with that nice texture, the Arizona/Pennsylvania model will have a beautiful participation in my late Pacific War scenarios.