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Title: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: agracier on December 29, 2011, 04:57:50 PM
It may be a bit of the same, but then again this is an area where the Winter War was fought. And since in this far northern region inhabitants and villages are scarce, it is easy to populate with objects. And so here is new map, soon to be posted of part of Finland - Suomussalmi.

The idea for the map was suggested by Cracken and Kapteeni as an inhabitant helped out naturally. The map will be in the traditional summer-autumn-winter formats, but here are a few screenshots of the summer version.

(http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/qq302/agracier/SuomussalmiMapsmall.jpg)

(http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/qq302/agracier/301220110-24-48.jpg)

(http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/qq302/agracier/301220110-23-29.jpg)

(http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/qq302/agracier/301220110-23-51.jpg)

(http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/qq302/agracier/301220110-25-04.jpg)

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DOWNLOAD for a preliminary WIP map
please note that this version has several 2048 textures and that the populating of airfields and a few of the larger villages is still minimal, but functional

sendspace link: http://www.sendspace.com/file/ysfxvb
mediafire link: https://www.mediafire.com/download.php?9d4go9540id019x
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: Whiskey_Sierra_972 on December 29, 2011, 11:28:12 PM
Looking farward to this beauty!!!
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: SAS~Tom2 on December 30, 2011, 01:06:14 PM
Me too! :D
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: badderger on January 02, 2012, 03:42:29 PM
Yes. Can be used along with the Lapland map to make a very scenic campaign! :)
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: SAS~Poltava on January 03, 2012, 12:12:08 AM
That is an epic battle ground! Thanks for your effort!!!
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: agracier on January 03, 2012, 02:51:01 AM
We are almost ready with the map - just some villages and harbors to make.

In the meanwhile, here are a few shots of the autumn map ... the first one is of the summer map to show the difference in colors...

(http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/qq302/agracier/Suomussalmi-2612201116-59-28.jpg)

(http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/qq302/agracier/Suomussalmi-0101201218-59-58.jpg)

(http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/qq302/agracier/Suomussalmi-0101201220-59-35.jpg)

(http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/qq302/agracier/Suomussalmi-0101201220-58-53.jpg)

(http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/qq302/agracier/Suomussalmi-0101201220-57-58.jpg)
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: Whiskey_Sierra_972 on January 03, 2012, 06:27:09 AM
Really Great!!!
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: badderger on January 03, 2012, 09:53:29 PM
   A campaign combo map pack with the Lapland map seems very appropriate to me. I mean the maps practically connect so this seems a logical progression. Looking forward to this...
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: F19_Klunk on January 06, 2012, 11:08:32 AM
fantastic!!

feel free to add F19 bases..on wintermap

http://www.sci.fi/~fta/f19-2.htm

(hmm come to think of it.. they hade their bases..runways.. on frozen lakes mostly..maybe one could add that manually

is Salla and Märkajärvi on the map?
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: agracier on January 06, 2012, 11:12:23 AM
(hmm come to think of it.. they hade their bases..runways.. on frozen lakes mostly..maybe one could add that manually
is Salla and Märkajärvi on the map?

I do not think that the above are on this map - but probably will be on another one for the area further north.

I also believe that kapteeni made one winter map in which water is frozen solid and which allows landing of aircraft on frozen water.
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: F19_Klunk on January 06, 2012, 11:19:42 AM
ahh too bad... we lack only a small part to include F19 area on this map

Actually F19 was pretty much in charge of the air cover up here during winterwar as the Finnish squadrons focused to support the troops on Karelian Ithmus and the area around Salla/Märkajävi was pretty much the area up here which saw any action.Other than that is was quite calm here.

BTW. If this is to depict a map for the Winterwar I would loose the German flag in the map,, The Germans ept a very low profile during winter war due the Ribbentrop/Molotov pact...

too bad I saw this work beeing done so late.. the map would indeed be covering more important areas if we saw some more around Kemijärviand Rovaniemi and eatstwards towards Salla... the Salla front was crucial.

Still very nice map!! thank you

A great coverage would have been:(http://www.svaf.net/temp/winterwar.jpg)

more here:
http://www.oocities.org/finnmilpge/fmp_faf_f19.html

reenactment here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shkGWSJ4jqM


For us in F19 it would be so cool to fly on a correct map.. We made the J8 (Gladiator MKI) flyable back in 2003 (F19_Haddock) ..what a nice addition this would be :D

But still.. even though most of the action was at the Salla border, F19 had bases also around Oulujärvi lake(Ulrik 2) and Oulu (Ulrik)

(http://www.oocities.org/finnmilpge/f19_airfields.gif)
I see that those airfields are on your map!! yippii
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: agracier on January 06, 2012, 11:52:24 AM
Don't worry about covering the area. More maps will be done ... we aim to make Finland the first large nation in surface area to be completely mapped for Il-2 ... the Suomussalmi map was so large already there had to be a cut-off point somewhere ... I think there are just 2 more maps to go for the rest of the country.

The German flag is there because this map will also be useful for 1944-45 scenarios ... or so I am told at least ... by making these maps I am also learning more about the history of the areas covered.
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: F19_Klunk on January 06, 2012, 12:03:15 PM
great news :D

and dont worry.. I think it's a good idea to seperate the different fronts; Soumussalmi  front and Salla front

let me know if I can help in any way
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: F19_Klunk on January 06, 2012, 12:14:53 PM
PS: I see that the Ulrik bases on your maps are "land based" . All workfields (not counting HW at Kemi) such as Ulrik 1 and 2, Nora 1 and 2, Oskar and Svea were Ice airfields but I guess it's a decent compromise as you can't make them usably on any other time of the year than winter :)

PS There was a FAF ice airfield just east of Ulrik 2...eastern part of lake Oulujärvi...left of the Soviet flag "Kuluntalahti ice airfield".. cannot determine if you have marked it out.. if you place the Ulrik bases on land you might as well keep this on land as well
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: SAS~Poltava on January 06, 2012, 12:16:04 PM
That's a great idea! There were a lot of interesting air campaigns fought in and around Finland during WW2!!!

And just having the chance of seeing a REAL F19 campaign over a piece of authentic ground is thrilling! +1 to F19_Klunks ideas!
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: agracier on January 06, 2012, 12:25:31 PM
let me know if I can help in any way

Airfield information, airfield information, airfield information ... ha ha.

We usually end up with more or less historical locations and then add a few fictional fields if the coverage in a certain area is zero. And if you ever care to make airfields with objects placed more or less according to their real placement, that would be a wonderful help. It's a time consuming process to make individual airfields in an all ready time consuming process of making maps and trying to get them to look pleasing to the eye.

But you can make individual airfields as a mis file, adding only the airfield objects and nothing else. This can then be easily extracted and incorporated into an actors file so the airfield then becomes an integral part of the map.

For Suomussalmi, it is due to come out in a very short time, so maybe future revamps of airfields can be included in updates. But after it is posted there should be 2 more Finnish maps to be made and that will be that ... I will miss the Finnish landscape ...

But it could be several months before then. And in the meantime there are other theaters of war to be done ... we've got a good area coming up, provided the texturing goes well ... something Completely Different and far far away from Finland and the arctic lights and hopefully an area that will get skinners scrambling to their graphic programs.
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: kapteeni on January 07, 2012, 02:04:02 AM
making airfields on ice is difficult, because of IL 2 engines. But Suomussalmi map is at early stage and i will start to populate it soon. I wil not try to make it 100% right and will not make new map_c for only 2-3 airfields.
It is easier to add airfields to land and then they are available even in summer.

Making 100 historically right map is difficult and it would take months to do that..
or even years.

but i will do my best. Finland is quite big country and Suomussalmi map covers a huge area. It is at least 2 x Belgium.
Karelia map was our biggest map. it took many months to make it. And it was not even close to real..
Which remainds me:(little bit OT)
I'm doing final adjustements to Karelia map. Jarmo Happonen from Finland provided new historically corrected airfields and roads plus names are now right.
He also did make few roads and villages.
Agracier made terrain look absolutely gorgeous and did add heaps of new villages/farms
I'm now doing some cleaning and polishing it a bit.
I'm not the right person to say this, but it sure looks good!
Should be ready tomorrow, sunday 8.01.

And Team INternational brigades maps are moddable. Anyone can add airfields later.
It is not that hard to learn.
Kapteeni
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: kapteeni on January 07, 2012, 02:08:25 AM
OOPS!
Forgot to mention that Jarmo Happonen also did new airfields to my small Kt_Finland map too.
It will be available tomorrow too!
I know that this is not a general Finnish map threat, sorry.
I will make a new topic for those maps.
kap
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: kapteeni on January 07, 2012, 02:15:43 AM
A great coverage would have been:

more here:
http://www.oocities.org/finnmilpge/fmp_faf_f19.html

reenactment here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shkGWSJ4jqM

This map needs to be done too. I just wish there were other mapmakers too...
Salla front was important for swedish volunteers, i know.. and it is also very beautifull area in both sides of borders of Russia/Finland.
anyone of you swedish guys interrested to learn mapmaking. I'm sure that we could make a basic map with only few textures fast for you so that you could make it ready...
But not in next few weeks. team Internationals hands are busy right now...
kap
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: kapteeni on January 07, 2012, 02:19:47 AM
One thing about german flag: Finns did have a war against germans too..the western part of map is suitable for some real missions and semhistorical ones.
kap
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: flying_spud on January 25, 2012, 05:02:51 AM
Nice lakes - think I'll pack my fishing rods for this one.
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: Hangman on January 25, 2012, 05:09:31 AM
This is NOT a request

About hundred (maybe less) kilometers south and this map will cover my home area :)
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: zsoltfireman on March 04, 2013, 02:14:33 AM
This is MAP available?
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: agracier on March 04, 2013, 02:33:16 AM
This is MAP available?

Well, it's almost finished except for the populating of the main towns. Kapteeni's been out of Il-2 for a while now, real life and all that. And now that innovation has been relentlessly marching along, this map should ideally be retextured with some 2048 textures and maybe adapted here and there ...

So, it's a bit on back burner for the moment.

I do however have another thoroughly modern map in the end stages, 2048 and all, set in landscapes as Suomussalmi should look.
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: zsoltfireman on March 04, 2013, 02:38:57 AM
I wait patiently!

Zsolt
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: agracier on March 04, 2013, 02:40:21 AM
I wait patiently!

Zsolt

That is a virtue in its own right ... ha ha ...
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: kapteeni on March 04, 2013, 08:35:21 AM
I'm almost done..map should be ready in....2 weeks.
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: [URU]Fox on March 07, 2013, 10:43:08 AM
Be sure!

Also looking forward to this map, but no hurries. Thx for all the work!
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: max_thehitman on March 09, 2013, 05:55:03 PM


FANTASTIC!!  8)
This looks like another super map!

Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: Lagarto on March 13, 2013, 10:57:14 AM
I'm also looking forward to this map :)
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: agracier on March 13, 2013, 01:45:04 PM
OK guys. This map has been in the works for quite some time now and was nearly done. Maybe it's better to just release something for the while being. There is now a preliminary wip download for the map on the first post.

A while ago I added some 2048 textures. So you'll need the 2048 mod working, or else you can resize the textures with 'spain_2048_' as prefix back down to 1024 pixels. Note that this applies for the trees as well. Everything is self-contained in the map's texture folder.

The preliminary wip will hopefully be redone at a later date, updating the actors to flesh out airfields and several of the larger villages. Otherwise it is now reasonably complete and very flyable. The landscape is sparsely populated as is anyway.
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: Jami on March 14, 2013, 02:31:30 AM
Many thanks for this map - it's my home district.
But I use HSFX6, so how can I manage with those 2048 textures. Is there any other way than resizing?
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: agracier on March 14, 2013, 02:36:12 AM
Many thanks for this map - it's my home district.
But I use HSFX6, so how can I manage with those 2048 textures. Is there any other way than resizing?

I am not really certain if you can install the 2048 texture mod ... I would probably think so, as it involves replacing game dll's and adding some classfiles ... but really have no experience at all.

I'd say if you are not certain, then resize the textures ... it's the safest option. Don't forget to also resize the trees:

AlteredBush8a.tga
AlteredBush8aTL.tga
AlteredBush8aTrunkTL.tga

And I'd also maybe suggest installing a separate version for DBW 1.71. It will not interfere with your old install. And maybe you'll find it to you're liking ....
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: BravoFxTrt on March 14, 2013, 02:40:47 AM
Agracier, I get this error, In my SAS ModAct 4.0 (4.11.1m)

INTERNAL ERROR: LoadTextureFromTga('MAPS/_Tex/ag/Suomussalmi/Spain_2048_Cuba_Swamp_01.tga')
WARNING: Error: 'WARNING: Error: 'WARNING: Error: 'WARNING: Error: 'WARNING: Error: 'WARNING: Error: 'WARNING'
WARNING: TLandscape::LoadMap('ag_Suomussalmi/load.ini') - errors in loading

It works in my DBW
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: agracier on March 14, 2013, 02:47:34 AM
Agracier, I get this error

INTERNAL ERROR: LoadTextureFromTga('MAPS/_Tex/ag/Suomussalmi/Spain_2048_Cuba_Swamp_01.tga')
WARNING: Error: 'WARNING: Error: 'WARNING: Error: 'WARNING: Error: 'WARNING: Error: 'WARNING: Error: 'WARNING'
WARNING: TLandscape::LoadMap('ag_Suomussalmi/load.ini') - errors in loading

This is probably because of the 2048 textures ... you need to install and have wrking the 2048 hi res textures mod.

https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,33239.0.html

If you don't wish to install this mod, or if it doesn't work for you. Then resize all textures beginning with Spain_2048_ ... and make them 1024x1024 - but keeping the same names.

Here is a list of all 2048 textures used on this map. They are all in the maps own textures folder: ..._Tex/ag/Suomussalmi

AlteredBush8aTrunkTL.tga
AlteredBush8a.tga
AlteredBush8aTL.tga
Spain_2048_Haw_01.tga
Spain_2048_Java_Stone_001.tga
Spain_2048_Turk_Dark_Mount_02.tga
Span_2048_Cuba_Scrub_01.tga
Spain_2048_Cuba_Swamp_01.tga
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: BravoFxTrt on March 14, 2013, 03:47:20 AM
Ok, I got it working with Carsmaster's Light Mod. Thanks Agracier, Its a beautiful Map

(https://www.sas1946.rocks/images/imageshit/img526/4116/20130314at112442.jpg)
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: agracier on March 14, 2013, 03:52:37 AM
Ok, I got it working with Carsmaster's

That's great ... especially for the 2048 textures, since they add so much more to the landscape.

Just keep in mind, that as far as populating airfields and some villages goes, it's still wip and needs to have additions made ...
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: BravoFxTrt on March 14, 2013, 03:56:09 AM
Oh, its great, I can imagine what it looks like Populated, I will watch this thread closely, Again Man, very Beautiful Map.
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: agracier on March 14, 2013, 03:57:42 AM
btw - if you get the 2048 texture mod by carmaster working, you should perhaps consider adding these 2048 textures as well:

https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,28331.0.html

These replace the 512 default 'noise' textures that are used in every map with noise filters in 2048. They just need to be placed in the correct folder, nothing more, but they do need the 2048 mod to work ... and they do give a difference that is subtle but nice.
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: Gaston on March 14, 2013, 04:23:59 AM
Thanks, agracier.

But AlteredBush8a.tga is not 2048... it is 1024 X 1024. Also, AlteredBush8aTrunkTL.tga is 2048 X 1024.

So, I do not have to resize the first one, and the second has to be resized 1024 X 512 to keep the ratio. Am I right ?
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: BravoFxTrt on March 14, 2013, 04:25:55 AM
Oh yes, I read that thread just the other day and wondered if it would, work, Im going to try that, Thanks Man.
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: agracier on March 14, 2013, 04:26:34 AM
Thanks, agracier.

But AlteredBush8a.tga is not 2048... it is 1024 X 1024. Also, AlteredBush8aTrunkTL.tga is 2048 X 1024.

So, I do not have to resize the first one, and the second has to be resized 1024 X 512 to keep the ratio. Am I right ?

I would suppose you are right ... hmmm ... the 2048 texture thing is often confusing. I'll have to check my own map install too
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: Jami on March 16, 2013, 02:54:20 AM
Thanks, agracier.

But AlteredBush8a.tga is not 2048... it is 1024 X 1024. Also, AlteredBush8aTrunkTL.tga is 2048 X 1024.

So, I do not have to resize the first one, and the second has to be resized 1024 X 512 to keep the ratio. Am I right ?

I would suppose you are right ... hmmm ... the 2048 texture thing is often confusing. I'll have to check my own map install too

I tried those resizings and everything works just fine - also 1024 x 512.
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: Gaston on March 16, 2013, 05:21:46 AM
Same here ! Thanks to IrfanView !
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: kapteeni on March 17, 2013, 07:43:09 AM
Hi dudes. I finally started to populate the map... Been toying with War Thuder MMO lately. (it sure looks amazing)
here is What to do list:
Towns need to be done Oulu Kemi and some villages plus coastline villages.
maybe few roads.
The area was at the time huge wilderness mostly (at least eastern part of map). So map will propably be ready to test quite soon.

Airfields are pretty much done and small villages.

I can only put about 1-2 hour per day to making map due real life...

I haven't tested those 2048 textures yet, but i will soon..
Best regards
Kapteeni
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: SAS~Tom2 on April 02, 2013, 12:29:46 PM
(http://s20.postimg.cc/l7zztm1cd/02_04_2013_19_59_37.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)

(http://s20.postimg.cc/4lifkj8el/02_04_2013_19_59_14.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)

Sorry, "raped" the context with P-51s.

Very nice, only a tad too dark mats for my taste..but still believable..this is Finland, not Germany or even Italy.
Another great map, also abused with some Migs this noon.
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: Marsei13(BG) on April 12, 2013, 03:05:31 PM
works like this map ? my startup fits the entire game  :'(
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: kapteeni on April 22, 2013, 04:41:18 AM
works like this map ? my startup fits the entire game  :'(
I can't undestand what you are meaning here..
Anyways, i have a week off so it is time to finish the map... if nothing happen in real life.
i will try to post screenshots as soon as possible
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: kapteeni on April 25, 2013, 10:15:38 AM
Hi all!
Map is ready. Just few tests and i will upload it as a beta.
Screenshots:
(http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh258/kapteeni45/2504201315-42-45.jpg) (http://s258.photobucket.com/user/kapteeni45/media/2504201315-42-45.jpg.html)
(http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh258/kapteeni45/2504201315-42-21.jpg) (http://s258.photobucket.com/user/kapteeni45/media/2504201315-42-21.jpg.html)
(http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh258/kapteeni45/2504201315-50-18.jpg) (http://s258.photobucket.com/user/kapteeni45/media/2504201315-50-18.jpg.html)
(http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh258/kapteeni45/2504201315-51-24.jpg) (http://s258.photobucket.com/user/kapteeni45/media/2504201315-51-24.jpg.html)
(http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh258/kapteeni45/2504201315-57-10.jpg) (http://s258.photobucket.com/user/kapteeni45/media/2504201315-57-10.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: SAS~Gerax on April 25, 2013, 10:24:34 AM
Great news kapteeni, looking forward  to download this map!  :)
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: kapteeni on April 25, 2013, 10:32:56 AM
I was just thinking.... what the hey, i can upload it right now.

Here ya go:
https://www.mediafire.com/?33n4hu2a40jr0dr
or:
http://www.gamefront.com/files/23235952/ag_Suomussalmi_rar
Map has been tested with DBW 1.71
unzip to:
/IL2-Sturmovik/#DBW/MapMods/Maps/ag_Suomussalmi

Add thes lines to /IL2-Sturmovik/#DBW/MapMods/all.ini (text file):

ag_Suomussalmi                               ag_Suomussalmi/load.ini
ag_Suomussalmi_Autumn                 ag_Suomussalmi/load_Aut.ini
ag_Suomussalmi_Winter                 ag_Suomussalmi/load_Win.ini
ag_Suomussalmi_WinterHard   ag_Suomussalmi/load_WinHard.ini


Of course, those who have earlier version needs only copy all the goodies from rar file...
Happy Flying and report if you find anything strange!
Kapteeni
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: SAS~Gerax on April 25, 2013, 10:39:20 AM
I was just thinking.... what the hey, i can upload it right now.

Like your way of thinking!  ;D

 ;)

Quote
Of course, those who have earlier version needs only copy all the goodies from rar file...
Happy Flying and report if you find anything strange!
Kapteeni

many thanks mate, will do so!  :)
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: cgagan on April 25, 2013, 10:50:46 AM
Many thanks, kapteeni!!!! 8)
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: kapteeni on April 25, 2013, 11:49:22 AM
Small bug found..
When using tree=3 in conf.ini trees are not showing at all..
Use tree =2 untill i found solution. I think that it is altered bush issue

or maybe not...Do you have trees? I mean those FMB trees when tree=3..?
I don't..
God.i can't remember the solution. Other maps work just fine.
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: nikmaving on April 25, 2013, 12:05:56 PM
wow!!!! very impressive.cheers mate
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: Helen-of-Sparta on April 25, 2013, 01:16:16 PM
Hello Kapteeni,

Thank you for so beautiful map and all of you hard work, i do think that you must to be Finish because only a Finish man would created most beautiful map at his home land.

Also i do have problem with trees at =3 at confi ini and i must to also use =2, i not can remember what is solution but i try to discover and maked him to be fixed  ;)
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: lam on April 25, 2013, 02:44:47 PM
Pics above look great! Thank you! 8)
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: max_thehitman on April 25, 2013, 05:34:54 PM


THANK YOU!
I shall do some test flying on it

Looks beautiful

Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: kapteeni on April 25, 2013, 10:13:16 PM
Hi all!
I'm still wondering.. When we made our Karealia map, there were conflict like that, IRC..
Some object and row of tree object didn't work together..
It was a palm or something...
It happens, because it is easy to copy/paste from other maps or even missions.
I tried to look from old posts, but couldn't find anuthing yeat.

Worst scenario is that i need to populate from scratch...

Anyways, map needs railwaystations and some other things untill it is really ready to final release 

And thank you for comments!

Kapteeni
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: kapteeni on April 26, 2013, 07:59:44 AM
I dunno why those trees are not showing.. It is not a big deal, because map is fully playable with forest=3 but it just aint too beautifull.

As a theater of operations, Suomussalmi is not the most wanted map...
maybe a cool map for "what if scenarios" for late war germas against Finnish and russians
And of course Winter war with biplanes.
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: sphantom on April 26, 2013, 08:02:44 AM
Getting a java run error on all your maps and I do have carmasters mod working
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: Jami on April 26, 2013, 08:49:59 AM
Getting a java run error on all your maps and I do have carmasters mod working
Me too, and I noticed that I'm lacking some texture files in ag/suomussalmi folder. This could be the reason also for your problem. So I hope that kap will upload them asap somewhere to download.

- Jami
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: kapteeni on April 26, 2013, 08:51:19 AM
Getting a java run error on all your maps and I do have carmasters mod working
I don't even know that mod.
I need to know what kind of error is that?
Please use Shift+Tab when loading a map and then post error raport here.
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: kapteeni on April 26, 2013, 08:56:27 AM
Getting a java run error on all your maps and I do have carmasters mod working
Me too, and I noticed that I'm lacking some texture files in ag/suomussalmi folder. This could be the reason also for your problem. So I hope that kap will upload them asap somewhere to download.

- Jami
I will upload all the textures, but at first page there is another version, which have all the textures.. i haven't add any new ones

DOWNLOAD for a preliminary WIP map
please note that this version has several 2048 textures and that the populating of airfields and a few of the larger villages is still minimal, but functional

sendspace link: http://www.sendspace.com/file/ysfxvb
mediafire link: https://www.mediafire.com/download.php?9d4go9540id019x




Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: Jami on April 26, 2013, 09:13:53 AM
(edit by admin: please no full quotes.)

Ok, sorry I didn't notice that in the first place...
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: Jami on April 26, 2013, 10:45:25 AM
Sorry the mess above  :(, but after downloading that premilinary WIP map I still miss the next textures and even folders:

Wood0 = ag/Suomussalmi/dlv_rom_Wood0.tga
Wood1 = ag/Suomussalmi/dlv_rom_Wood1.tga
Wood2 = ag/Suomussalmi/dlv_rom_Wood2.tga
Wood3 = ag/Suomussalmi/dlv_rom_Wood3.tga
Wood4 = ag/Suomussalmi/dlv_rom_Wood4.tga
Tree0 = ag/Suomussalmi/dlv_sk_AlteredBush8a.tga
LowLand0 = ag/Suomussalmi/Spain_1024_Haw_Green_96.tga,2
MidLand1 = ag/Suomussalmi/Spain_1024_Mex_31.tga,2
MidLand2 = ag/Suomussalmi/Spain_1024_Texas_03.tga,2 //hi parts
MidLand3 = ag/Suomussalmi/Spain_1024_Bekaa_08.tga,2
Country2 = ag/Suomussalmi/Spain_1024_Haw_Fields_06.tga,2

ag/Suomussalmi_Aut folder
ag/Suomussalmi_Win folder
ag/Karelia_Winter folder

What shall I do???

- Jami
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: SAS~Gerax on April 26, 2013, 10:59:03 AM
Wait for Agracier!  ;D

No, seems the textures you posted were linked with other maps by Agracier,
ie with his Sidni-Ifi Map. Find this map here, download everything and look
what you have then:
https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,12129.0.html (https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,12129.0.html)

for the dlv_* texs dl his Lapland map:
https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,20446.0.html (https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,20446.0.html)
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: kapteeni on April 26, 2013, 11:14:51 AM
And here is my _Tex folder for Suomussalmi map.
https://www.mediafire.com/?0dmg8oz3pap798l
Then your map Should be working
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: SAS~Gerax on April 26, 2013, 11:40:36 AM
Now this should solve it, many thanks for putting
all the texs in one single DL Kapteeni.  :)
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: Gaston on April 26, 2013, 02:54:44 PM
I have a strange problem with this map : first version I downloaded some times ago 8with only summer map) was working OK (I resized all tga's to 1024 as I do not use HiRez mod).

Today, I downloaded the new version, including Autumn and the 2 Winter maps. Also downloaded the _tex file, etc.

And I also get the java error, but ONLY on the Summer map. All the 3 others are working well, and I can save missions on them.

Precision : I also have Lapland and Sidi Ifni maps installed since time.
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: sphantom on April 26, 2013, 05:15:12 PM
That what it was you did not include the tex files for the maps got them all working great job Thanks
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: Jami on April 26, 2013, 10:29:16 PM
The _Tex folder made everything working - thanks.
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: kapteeni on April 27, 2013, 01:04:53 AM
I have a strange problem with this map : first version I downloaded some times ago 8with only summer map) was working OK (I resized all tga's to 1024 as I do not use HiRez mod).

Today, I downloaded the new version, including Autumn and the 2 Winter maps. Also downloaded the _tex file, etc.

And I also get the java error, but ONLY on the Summer map. All the 3 others are working well, and I can save missions on them.

Precision : I also have Lapland and Sidi Ifni maps installed since time.
Try Shift+TAB while map is loading. You can find what files you are missing when the text appears.
I have meade this map with vanilla 1.71. No extra maps or mods.
If you can't save,  you are missing objects, if map does not open at all, you are missing textures.


BTW. I still can't understand what causes perfect trees to disappear..I'm pretty sure that it is our popup template. There might be a 3:rd party object that causes that.
But it is almost impossible to find out what, because we don't have a debugger. Or do we?
Shift+TAB didn't show anything...

I tested with empty map (no airfields, not objects at all) and  i copyed small village from other map and there was no problem.
I quess i need to do whole map from scratch...
Menwhile you had to play with either no Forest=3 treerows or use forest2 which means that in wintermap there will be  green birches or whatever that tree is.
As written before, other than that, map should work flawlesly

lkapteeni
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: kapteeni on April 27, 2013, 02:32:02 AM
OK. Here is the deal. I did have a discussion with Agracier and here is what we are doing:
Since the map works OK other than that treerow object with forest=3, i will upload the map as it is now. It looks good even without those trees. It is just cosmetics.

I will upload map as it is after few days. I will check that all the textures are there and make new zip file with everything included.

After this map, Finland is pretty much covered what comws to WW2 areas of airfights. Only Finnish Archipelago With Åland is missing, but it was just a side show.
We have made a test map, Though (or Agracier actually). Didn't look too good due limitations of Il-2 engine
if someone want's it, i can send my files

It was my dream to have all The Finnish/USSR/German main areas of airwarfare done.. It is done..
I dunno. Feels pretty empty.
I sdtarted mapmaking at 2007 (IIRC)and it has been an adventure.
i hope that you guys have enjoyed our maps.

For me the Karelia map is the best of our maps ever.
It was a huge project. many people helped us while making it.
They are using it in Finnish Aviation Museum too, i've heard.

To be honest, most beautifull map ever made to IL-2 is Mixx Zapolares Northern Norway map, so far.

I will do new maps eventually.
Agracier is busy as a bee with new Pacific maps.
I might dig my old Palestine/israel and try something...
Stay tuned
kapteeni
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: agracier on April 27, 2013, 03:08:34 AM
It was a huge project. many people helped us while making it.
They are using it in Finnish Aviation Museum too, i've heard.

You have got to be kidding ... ha ha

Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: kapteeni on April 27, 2013, 04:11:49 AM
It was a huge project. many people helped us while making it.
They are using it in Finnish Aviation Museum too, i've heard.

You have got to be kidding ... ha ha


Nope. The have Me-109 simulator and at least some point they did have modded version of IL-2. Truth is that i haven't seen it myself, So it is not 100% sure, but i got email about it..
According that, there were some Kareliamap misions or mission for that simulator. i have only seen 3 videos and it was with original Il-2.
I live only about 40 Km:s from Museum, but i never visited it..
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: Gaston on April 27, 2013, 04:12:55 AM
So... you know what to do this weekend : a 40 km ride to visit it ! Have lots of fun, man ! LOL

Edit : I think I have found what causes my problem : I forgot to resize one of the tga's... we will see after !

Re-edit : that was it ! working now perfectly ! THANKS !
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: Jami on April 27, 2013, 09:20:40 AM
I visited Finnish Aviation Museum last summer and tried that Me109 simulator. I flew a mission over Vyborg shooting down some IL-2s and the map was ag_kt_Karelia for sure. I landed on Suur-Merijoki airfield and noticed that the map was the first version - not the newer one with airfields I tuned/made.
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: SAS~Gerax on April 27, 2013, 10:12:45 AM
It was my dream to have all The Finnish/USSR/German main areas of airwarfare done.. It is done..
I dunno. Feels pretty empty.
On no, you should feel proud, not empty!  ;D

Quote
For me the Karelia map is the best of our maps ever.
They are using it in Finnish Aviation Museum too, i've heard.
Wow!  :o
again: be proud about it!

Quote
I might dig my old Palestine/israel and try something...Stay tuned
will do so.. and look forward to it  8)
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: kapteeni on April 27, 2013, 12:13:48 PM
I visited Finnish Aviation Museum last summer and tried that Me109 simulator. I flew a mission over Vyborg shooting down some IL-2s and the map was ag_kt_Karelia for sure. I landed on Suur-Merijoki airfield and noticed that the map was the first version - not the newer one with airfields I tuned/made.
OMG. I got goosebumbs all over me... That simulator must have been  someyhing else. And having one of our maps makes it even better!!!

You did excellent job with airfields. Pitty that it was the first version.

If you wanna make corrections to Suomussalmi, you are most welcome to do so!

That remainds me... I need to adjust my DCG campaigns so that they are for latest version.
Kapteeni
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: kapteeni on April 27, 2013, 12:15:17 PM
It was my dream to have all The Finnish/USSR/German main areas of airwarfare done.. It is done..
I dunno. Feels pretty empty.
On no, you should feel proud, not empty!  ;D

Quote
For me the Karelia map is the best of our maps ever.
They are using it in Finnish Aviation Museum too, i've heard.
Wow!  :o
again: be proud about it!

Quote
I might dig my old Palestine/israel and try something...Stay tuned
will do so.. and look forward to it  8)
:)
Kap
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: Jami on April 27, 2013, 01:37:01 PM

You did excellent job with airfields. Pitty that it was the first version.
If you wanna make corrections to Suomussalmi, you are most welcome to do so!


Thanks Kap, I must admit that I have some plans...
But it'll take 3-4 months to get them realized - I let you know then.

- Jami
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: kapteeni on May 09, 2013, 06:54:20 AM
I have good and bad news:
Here is the bad news...
Stumbled to a strengest problem. It seems that when choosing winter with iced lakes and sea, the ice is not working correctly. All the cars and planes just fall through the ice like it was "normal"water... It happens with BW 1.71. With all maps even stock FinnsGulf..
Is it only me or is this something DBW 1.71 related. I tried to adjust decline settings. Without any results.

With DBW 1.6 all the maps are working allright.

Good news is that Jami, who made also historical airfields and other corrections to Karelia map has also made same to Suomussalmi map.
I will upload new version ASAP. I also check íf i can make the friggin trees to appear with forest= 3.

Kapteeni
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: Birdman on May 09, 2013, 03:07:54 PM
Stumbled to a strengest problem. It seems that when choosing winter with iced lakes and sea, the ice is not working correctly. All the cars and planes just fall through the ice like it was "normal"water... It happens with BW 1.71. With all maps even stock FinnsGulf..
Is it only me or is this something DBW 1.71 related. I tried to adjust decline settings. Without any results.

With DBW 1.6 all the maps are working allright.

Kapteeni
I also have this bug in clean DBW 1.71 and in my heavily modded DBW with latest SAS Engine MOD. Looks like ice has been broken in core DBW classfiles since the release of 1.7, but it just wasn't spotted before. I'll report the bug to SAS Engine mod developers, so lets wait and see if they can fix it in next SAS Engine mod version.
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: Birdman on May 09, 2013, 04:46:04 PM
I added WATER_STATE = ICE to one winter map that had it missing and checked that the FinsGulf in DBW 1.71 has WATER_STATE = ICE defined, but still ice behaves like water when crashing onto it on both maps. Thus, something in core DBW classfiles seems to be broken because WATER_STATE = ICE doesn't seem to work anymore.
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: SAS~Boomer on May 09, 2013, 06:10:55 PM
Yes,it seems build 1.71 has corrupted DBW somehow then

Oh well,I'll remove my redundant post seeing as it makes no difference now, if DBW is broken



Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: Mattressi on May 10, 2013, 02:03:59 AM
kapteeni, your maps look amazing! I was wondering - do you have a website or a "kapteeni maps/mods" thread where all of this gets posted? I've been going through your previous posts looking for other things you've created (like the LR2 DCG campaign), but I worry that I'll miss some things. Is there anywhere where all of your maps/campaigns/mods(?) are linked to? I love your work, so I was hoping to have all of it  ;D
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: Whiskey_Sierra_972 on May 10, 2013, 02:08:06 AM
Have you test also keep temperature below zero?
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: Birdman on May 10, 2013, 02:59:30 AM
Yes, temperature is below zero in both maps I tested, so that can't be the problem.
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: Mission_bug on May 10, 2013, 03:13:08 AM
Another truly outstanding addition to my collection of Finnish Theatre maps. 8)  Thank you very much, greatly appreciated.

(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm42/Mission_bug/Suomussalmi1_zps025d0a99.jpg) (http://s293.photobucket.com/user/Mission_bug/media/Suomussalmi1_zps025d0a99.jpg.html)

(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm42/Mission_bug/Suomussalmi2_zps409d73a0.jpg) (http://s293.photobucket.com/user/Mission_bug/media/Suomussalmi2_zps409d73a0.jpg.html)

Wishing you all the very best, Pete. ;D
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: kapteeni on May 10, 2013, 06:26:51 AM
Hi guys!
Thank you for the support. Suomussalmi map needs a bit tweekin untill it is ready. Jami will do some additions to airfields and maybe to somewhere else.

I will edit towns and i also look if i can find what causes conflict with 3d trees  ( forest =3).
As Boomer wrote, there is a small thing with frozen water, but it wil be good eventually.

I will try to find some time to make missions and maybe campaign too.

~Kapteeni
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: SAS~Boomer on May 10, 2013, 08:57:00 PM
Oh ya,the boy's will figure out the conflict in DBW 1.71
As Birdman suggested there may be a class file conflict somewhere so it will get sorted for next build I'm sure

Does not make the map any less spectacular  :)

The forest = 3 not working
may have to do with using other tree objects on the map
if no other tree objects were on the map BUT the treeline object trees,then I think they would work as Random tree look with forest 3 setting
For some reason,the new Battle of Moscow map has the same bug I read in the BoM map thread
and it also,is using other treeline tree objects that were made for that map

for an experiment,you could crack the actors and remove all trees other than the treeline objects then recompile and check to see if the treeline objects turn to random trees after with forest 3 settings

I use TextPad for a text editor,it's search function with bookmark lines,then cut boomarked lines easily and quickly can remove objects from a buildings file
It also handle huge text files easy with no freezing etc. and of coarse it is free  ;D

Not to say you have to or need to try and do it,we all have RL lives and not much time
but that would be a way to see if what I read on BoM map and this map are the same bug and if that may just be the reason

Cheers

Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: kapteeni on May 10, 2013, 11:00:47 PM
I remember that we had the same error on Karelia map. It was due some other trree object. Just like boomer wrote.

I will crack actors.static and try to find that object. If not, i need to make it from scratch.


Iced water is only a problem if there is airfields on ice, like in Eastfront. Ice Airfields can be done by altering map_c , but it is not the same.
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: Whiskey_Sierra_972 on May 15, 2013, 07:35:54 AM
Finally I have managed to install and make work the 2048 textures related mods.....

I got this map working flawless thanks to the textures linked on page 6!

Strangely on my rig I haven't any trouble of non iced water....I placed some stationary tanks over the small lake sw of Narna airfield (NE section of the map) and they haven't sink under ice....

Nor I have trees issue and I have forest=3 in conf.ini too....
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: caprera on May 31, 2013, 11:46:19 AM
Will this map be used to replace the current map for the stock Finnish campaign ?
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: Jami on May 31, 2013, 01:55:57 PM
No, this map covers slice of Northern Finland from Oulu to Kemi and it is far away from Gulf of Finland map area.
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: caprera on June 05, 2013, 10:52:58 AM
Right, Sorry didn't noticed :)
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: Jami on August 29, 2013, 11:19:56 PM
Kapteeni has been quite silent lately, so I decided to share my work myself.

I've finished editing this map and mainly the airfields which should now look like they were (according to the information I've got).
The ice bases of F19 are on their correct places depending on the accuracy of the landscape. It is a pity that we don't have Salla and Rovaniemi on this map.
With the ice base runways I had to use my own imagination.

The maps are a little bit different if you're flying Winter War or Continuation War which you'll notice in FMB.

If you have a working map already you have only to download this package
https://www.mediafire.com/download/189abxs7g9rpuqs/ag_Suomussalmi.zip
unzip it and copy-paste to your maps folder.

In all.ini you have to make these changes:

ag_Suomussalmi_Winter_39-40 ag_Suomussalmi/load_WinHard.ini
ag_Suomussalmi_Summer_41-44 ag_Suomussalmi/load.ini
ag_Suomussalmi_Autumn_41-44 ag_Suomussalmi/load_Aut.ini
ag_Suomussalmi_Winter_41-44 ag_Suomussalmi/load_Win.ini

I personally use HSFX 6 and everything works fine. I can't give any advice for those who are using DBW, but I hope/think you'll manage with this.

- Jami
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: SAS~Gerax on August 30, 2013, 06:05:49 AM
If you have a working map already

you mean the reworked map by Kapteeni?
or the orig map from first post by Agracier?
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: SAS~Tom2 on August 30, 2013, 09:32:43 AM
+1, asssume it is agracier's map. :)
Edit, nope, the textures do not match and the additional folders miss from the map I have from post one here. :-\
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: zsoltfireman on August 30, 2013, 12:02:43 PM
QMBPro missions please
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: Jami on September 01, 2013, 07:17:12 AM
you mean the reworked map by Kapteeni?
or the orig map from first post by Agracier?

To be honest I don't remember which one I use (I think it is Kapteeni's version) , but it shouldn't matter.
If the map doesn't work I'd try to download and assemble (copy-paste) the _Tex folder of Kapteeni (link on page 6). Also resizing the texture files which are mentioned before in these posts should help.

- Jami
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: SAS~Tom2 on September 01, 2013, 10:24:48 AM
Will try to do a jet version for it if today's Kharma let's me do it  :-[...already lost and found my purse and in general this week was my Kharma's way to tell me I suck... :-\

Already made one jet version of this area for agracier's map. Can't wait for agracier's next desert map..if there is one planned. Love desert and Tundra sort of landscapes for jets. A beauty and space we need to fully enjoy jet flights (IMHO).
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: SAS~Poltava on September 01, 2013, 01:33:03 PM
Jami, great job on the original map. I hope it gets into the next version of DBW!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: Jami on September 02, 2013, 03:50:40 AM
Thanks Poltava.
And now I want to thank you for the great campaigns you have published during the past years (especially for FAF).
I'm also a mission builder and I have learned a lot from you.
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: SAS~Tom2 on September 02, 2013, 06:46:45 AM
PS..well..FMB+ always made me crash last day and then my PC connection got lost..plus I got sick...so sorry, no net, no work, no anything atm.
Also thanks to my provider who cut off hundreds of customers last day it seems.
Bunch of-

So, thanks for this version, made a little "built together" on the tex and map pack and will upload.
Carry on..

Cheers
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: kapteeni on September 11, 2013, 08:35:13 AM
Kapteeni has been quite silent lately, so I decided to share my work myself.

I've finished editing this map and mainly the airfields which should now look like they were (according to the information I've got).
The ice bases of F19 are on their correct places depending on the accuracy of the landscape. It is a pity that we don't have Salla and Rovaniemi on this map.
With the ice base runways I had to use my own imagination.

The maps are a little bit different if you're flying Winter War or Continuation War which you'll notice in FMB.

If you have a working map already you have only to download this package
https://www.mediafire.com/download/189abxs7g9rpuqs/ag_Suomussalmi.zip
unzip it and copy-paste to your maps folder.

In all.ini you have to make these changes:

ag_Suomussalmi_Winter_39-40 ag_Suomussalmi/load_WinHard.ini
ag_Suomussalmi_Summer_41-44 ag_Suomussalmi/load.ini
ag_Suomussalmi_Autumn_41-44 ag_Suomussalmi/load_Aut.ini
ag_Suomussalmi_Winter_41-44 ag_Suomussalmi/load_Win.ini

I personally use HSFX 6 and everything works fine. I can't give any advice for those who are using DBW, but I hope/think you'll manage with this.

- Jami
Good work Jami. I have been busy with real life...
But i'll be back eventually.

To be honest, i'm not happy with towns of Oulu and Tornio. My bad. i was too lazy when making those...They need a bit altering, but other than that with new airfields map is awesome. Thanks to Agracier too.

Kapteeni
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: SAS~Poltava on February 16, 2014, 02:53:24 AM
Kapteeni,

if I get some time I will try and give a shot at repopulating Oulu and Tornio!  :)

Another thing: what about the ICE problem? We need the ice if the Finnish volunteers are not going to drown in their Gladiators and Harts!  8)
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: Jami on February 18, 2014, 09:49:41 AM
Hi Poltava,

I'll answer to your ice problem just in case that Kapteeni will not answer your message (he has been quite silent lately).
My squad uses HSFX and we have been flying several Winter War missions with Gladiators on Suomussalmi map and all the runways on the ice work fine.
The [WORLDPOS] lines in load_WinHard.ini are as follows:

CAMOUFLAGE = WINTER
MONTH = 2
DECLIN = 65
PRESSURE    = 750
TEMPERATURE = -25
WATER_STATE = ICE
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: SAS~Poltava on February 22, 2014, 04:05:32 AM
Ah, thanks for the answer, and I tried it, but those poor F19 Swedes still just sink down into what looks like ice but works lik water. BLURB... But I'm using DBW!

The strange thing is that ice is still ice in DBW 1916, but not stock DBW?  :o  ???

Benitomuso thought "the different behaviour should come from the Map2D class", which I guess makes this a Java-related issue.
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: kapteeni on February 22, 2014, 04:15:33 AM
Hi dudes!
Ice is no no for DBW 1.7... Atl least i can't set it.
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: kapteeni on February 22, 2014, 04:20:09 AM
I wish that i could have more time.. I can only pop up here to read posts.
.
I hope that Jami can edit our Finnish maps so they look even better.

Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: Uufflakke on February 22, 2014, 04:45:32 AM
About the ice issue: In the past there were similar problems with other winter maps like the winter Caucasus map by CzechTexan or Zuti's Slovenia map.
Water behaved like ground and on other map ice behaved like ground.
Then I found out that in load.ini it is should not be CAMOUFLAGE = WINTER but CAMOUFLAGE = winter.
So maybe it is also the case with ice behaving like water on this map?
(Take in account that the old ice issue was way back in 2011 or so where there did not exist a line like 'WATER_STATE = ICE' in the load.ini. But perhaps by changing the WINTER versus winter line in the load.ini it solves the problem.)
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: SAS~Poltava on February 22, 2014, 04:55:13 AM
Thanks guys, for trying to help here. But.... no  :(

This is what I use:

[WORLDPOS]
CAMOUFLAGE = winter
WATER_STATE = ICE
MONTH= 1
DECLIN = 70
PRESSURE = 745
TEMPERATURE = -25

Still, the poor buggers just sink right through the ice...  ???
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: Jami on February 22, 2014, 07:10:06 AM
Sorry to hear that you didn't get the problem solved. And all DBW users will face it when using winter maps of Finland...
I really hope that somebody finds a solution for this issue.

But Poltava, if you like to repopulate Oulu and Kemi I can send you copies of war time city plans for both cities. Just let me know.
And here you can find some photos from those days http://oulu.ouka.fi/ppm/laukka/hake/.
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: SAS~Poltava on February 22, 2014, 01:01:58 PM
Jami,

the fault is not yours ot Kapteenis - it's something in DBW 1.71, probably a hjava thing, map class 2D, or so I have been told.

I will check out the plans. Thanks!
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: Flying H on March 05, 2014, 03:06:49 PM
Solution is in this topic https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php?topic=39451.0 (https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php?topic=39451.0). Fix by Storebror THX to him!!
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: SAS~Poltava on March 05, 2014, 03:10:36 PM
Yes, GREAT! This map is fully functional again!  ;D
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: Benno on March 11, 2014, 07:32:00 AM
Hi'
Can this be used in 4.09m/UP2.1 ???
Benno
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: Jami on March 12, 2014, 10:35:40 AM
Hi'
Can this be used in 4.09m/UP2.1 ???
Benno

I don't know if you found any help here: http://ultrapack.tuttovola.org/index.php/topic,1674.0.html
Title: Re: Finland - Suomussalmi Map
Post by: Benno on March 13, 2014, 04:00:06 AM
Hi Jami  !
Thanks for the hint ;@)
Benno