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Battlefield - Airborne - Tactical (BAT) => BAT Lounge => Topic started by: PapaG39 on September 12, 2019, 09:47:13 PM
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I just made the change over from win7 to win 10. il2 loaded right up and I am as far as Angles high. I have been able to run the game via the Black death and others and it works perfectly...
However I am not able to fly normal using my track IR 5 and the CH Fighterstick.
Has anyone else encountered this situation and found out how to fix the problem. I am about ready to just give up and walk away from the best flying I have had since real life experiences...I really hate to call it quits after so many years of enjoyment.
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I am not able to fly normal using my track IR 5 and the CH Fighterstick.
What exactly is the issue?
The CH Control Manager Software is known to have issues with Windows 10.
The CH guys are unable to sort out the issues apparently, see: https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/33059-users-of-ch-products-gear-with-control-manager-software-be-advised/
However several users seemed to have found workarounds, see: https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/33087-enabling-ch-products-joystick-control-manager-in-windows-10/
TrackIR works fine with Windows 10, assuming you have the latest software and drivers installed.
]cheers[
Mike
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I've been using TrackIR since I was in XP - lo, for about 14 years now, and it's updated itself through the three OSs and three PCs I've been through since. Each TrackIR update was a pleasant surprise. They even took me from 4 to 5. I've had to get tech help from them a couple of times over those years (managed to break not one, but two of those light-fork things), and they've always been very friendly and helpful:
https://www.naturalpoint.com/trackir/help/
Not much I can say about the controller. I'm using a Logitech force-feedback unit that dates to it must be twelve years ago. Still working fine, knock wood, and it's kept itself continuously up-to-date as per the TrackIR.
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I have been and am still using a CH products stick. I stopped using the Contol Manager software but the stick still works fine.
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Up until recently I was using CH Stick, Throttle and ruder peddles all on Win 10 with both B.A.T. and the stock game with no issues.
I never used any of the CH software just TrackIR and native windows support for the devices.
I have noticed if I run the game through the Steam client my peddles do not work. As long as I lunch the game outside of Steam everything works with no issues.
Within the last two months I switch over my Throttle to a Trust-Master but my remaining CH products still work just fine.
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Thank you all..
I will look at all of the notes and try to sort it out.
I may need to replace my throttle, but the Fighter stick seems to work ok. After I read all the notes you all have given me
I will begin the sort out procedure. It just takes me a lot of time to do the sorting out... Just slow on computers..ha ha I will give the Track IR
people a call just to make sure I have it setup correctly...I forget from last time ...so it may be wrongly set up.
I will uninstall CH & go Native & see how that works for me.
Thank you all for the info...I really appreciate it.
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I currently use the CH stick, throttle, and pedals. Once I uninstalled the CH software, I did have to re-initialize the three devices in my game; by that I mean that I had to go into the Hotas controls section and redo all of the settings that interact with the controls. It worked fine after that.
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I have been trying your suggestions via the CH control manager and even got the game working once but when I rebooted
I couldn't get it back again.
The best I could get was via the win 10 workarounds from SS Strobror. But only once and then couldn't get it back. and that was only because I was able to calibrate all three controls.
I would like to try the Win 10 native controls from windows but when I go to the controls they do not look like my fighterstick,power and pedals so I can not calibrate them to work..
I am really not in the know on what I am doing here so that is a big bit of the problem I'm sure.
close but no cigar
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I just can not get my ch products to continue working BAT for me and I know that I will never be able to figure out how to keep them working with WIN 10...
What other products have you all found that will work in windows 10? Christmas is coming so I will just have to save up and get back into BAT later...
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I have no issues whatsoever with my trusty rusty X-52 Pro, just saying.
]cheers[
Mike
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Still using and quite happy with the Logitech Force 3D Pro I bought eleven or twelve years ago. (On the one hand: Unreal. ;D On the other: *knocking wood*.)
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PapaG39:
How many control inputs/outputs do you have hooked up to your computer? I have the following (please stay with me I'll explain):
1 - Razer BlackWidow Chroma V2 keyboard
1 - Razer Naga 2014 mouse
1 - Razer Orbweaver Chroma keypad
1 - Logitech C920 Webcam
1 - Razer BlackShark headset
1 - TrackIR 5
1 - CH Fighterstick USB
2 - Logitech Flight Throttle Quadrants
1 - Logitech (what used to Saitek) rudder pedals
Now, where's all this leading? All four of the game inputs plus TrackIR would work fine when I cold started the computer. I was having problems when I would reboot the computer - the rudder pedals would drop offline. I was going crazy until, one day, I accidentally disconnected my Razer Orbweaver Chroma keypad from the keyboard USB pass-through port. I didn't notice it when I rebooted the computer but suddenly all four inputs were working and, when I plugged the keypad back in it worked as well. I discovered that the keypad is considered a HID-compliant game controller and, on reboot, this would jump ahead of the rudder pedals during initialization.
Here's what to look for:
From the Control Panel go to Devices and Printers
Check through and see how many HID-compliant game controllers are showing.
Right click on each one, hit Properties, the Hardware tab, and see what HID-compliant game controller is connected to what piece of hardware.
At this point start disconnecting the HID-compliant game controllers that are not directly related to the game. Restart your computer and see if that solves the problem.
Someone other than myself may be able to tell you how to get your devices to boot in the correct order - possibly through changing USB ports but I'm not sure.
Hope this helps.
Bob
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Hi Papa,
a quick walkthrough on how I get my CH products working using Win10 only (i.e. no CH control manager – which I can’t get to work with Win10 anyway).
1. Connect the device(s) to a USB port and windows should find and install them automatically.
2. Navigate to settings/control panel/ devices and printers.
3. Your device should show up there with a gamepad graphic but correctly named e.g. ‘CH PRO Pedals USB’.
4. Right click on the gamepad graphic and select ‘game controller settings’. This should launch a dialog box listing all attached devices.
5. Select the one you want in the list and hit the ‘properties’ button. That opens a dialog box that lets you check and most importantly, calibrate, the device. The dialog guides you through the process.
6. Repeat for all relevant devices, e.g. throttle, pedals, and stick.
7. Launch BAT and allocate all buttons and axes of your choice in the ‘controls’ page.
Hope this helps.
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By using cbradbury's 7 point technique I got everything to work except the brakes...But I have a "B" key for that so I flew for a long time with no problems...
Until I shut down and rebooted. Then I had to start the process all over again.
It just will not hold my controls in their proper positions to recognize them again after a reboot.
And I have no idea how to get them to hold the correct that position...
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Sorry, Papa, I am unable to help you with that issue. Maybe someone else has some ideas?
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Is your pilots folder set to "read only"? Check by rightclicking the folder and go to "properties" and check.
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Flying H, If you mean my il2 folder where the BAT is installed...
Yes, it is set to read only and it is installed on the "C" drive.. Through LeGrand Cirque
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Then you need to remove the tock for "r o", otherwise your changes will not be saved for your next startup. The only file that may need to be "r o" is the conf.ini or rather make a copy of that file and save it in a new folder named so you find it easily. By the way when you´ve got the settings for "your_pilot_name" as you like save the folder in the same place for backup.
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I took the check out of the read only of my il2 install folder and made sure that conf.ini has a check in the ro file and I was able to get the ch pedals and power lever to work just great every time after a restart...however the Fighterstick will not run after a reboot...
after I re select it to another usb port then it will fly fine until the next shutdown. then it will not work... I don't know what I am doing wrong, but I am doing
it wrong every time... I have run the fighterstick in each and every usb port several times over the last two days with the same results.
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I just had a wonderful time of flying..the ch flight controls all worked right from the installing into the usb ports until I shut down for the night...
There must be a way to save everything so that it will start up properly tomorrow, I just don't know how to do it...
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I finely figured it out.
I uninstalled each and every left over piece of the CH control panel.
I uninstalled each and every piece of the Track IR 5 and reinstalled it again from the newest software.
I then uninstalled and completely cleaned my system of all of the BAT il2 1946 game.
Then I re-installed il2 4.07 and played it. IF...after my installation the Track IR 5 worked with my setup, and I could recenter Track IR 5,
then I knew my game would also be played via my CH controls.
Then I could re-load each and every piece of BAT. I always took two re-boots, but then the Track IR 5 and the game would work together.
Every thing is working...I am Happy. "except for one small problem" I have finely lost my Depth Perception because my level off on landing is just a bit high,
or I skip or bounce a bit on landing.. I'm still a month short of 80, so I guess I can't have everything...
Anyway..you can count this ...Problem Solved...