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The SAS Factory - Tech Help, Ancient Mods etc. => Tech Help : Using Mods => Tech Help (other than BAT or IL-2 Great Battles) => Hardware => Topic started by: markino on March 05, 2019, 07:42:50 AM
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Hi guys, my 50th birthday is approaching and I was thinking of giving me a new pc, which supports the new games.
Looking in the web I found a couple of gaming pc configurator and I made a couple of configurations:
http://www.ankermann.com/configuratore-pc.htm?rc=8400715ea6e6a699f037ec0e9dff84a0
https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/bsRngw
What do you think about these configurations? Can they be okay?
Thanks for your help!
Ciao!
Marco
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Too much RAM, good graphics, very weak CPU (for gaming), who needs a DVD drive these days?
]cheers[
Mike
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Whats wrong with DVD's? I got hundreds, which I can not read without a dvd drive. If you got a large collection you can even do without internet for a while.
16Gb RAM is indeed enough for gaming, if you do audio/video/300dpi image editing or rendering of large files, 32 can be useful.
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Thanks for your replies guys!
Too much RAM, good graphics, very weak CPU (for gaming), who needs a DVD drive these days?
]cheers[
Mike
Mike what do you suggest about CPU?
Ciao!
Marco
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Too much RAM, good graphics, very weak CPU (for gaming), who needs a DVD drive these days?
You know I'm a musician and yes, I still have a turntable too. I'm just an old man ...! ;)
:D
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Mike what do you suggest about CPU?
We're gamers so hands down it has to be Intel by all means.
I just grabbed me an i5-9600K, will build the new system next week.
Either you get a recommendation from me then, or a word of warning.
]cheers[
Mike
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It would help to know the intended use for the PC, e.g., resolution, VR, specific games.
If you want to save money, 32 GB is absolutely too much RAM. There is no need to buy a separate CPU cooler if the CPU already includes one.
Additional case fans and sound cards are not necessary unless you know what you're doing. Hard drives are also rather questionable as SSDs are fairly inexpensive now.
Ryzen certainly isn't the fastest gaming processor, but it may not matter if you end up GPU-limited much of the time. Of course, this entirely depends on your objectives with this computer.
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With a 1070/1070Ti, the Ryzen would definitely be the limiting factor.
The Ryzen's single thread performance is roughly the same as my 8 year old O/C'ed i5-2500K, and that's as much as you can get from AMD for things that are limited by single thread performance.
This is why I say that Ryzen for gaming is basically a no-go.
The GPU match for that Ryzen would be my Geforce 970 (I can say so safely, because that one is the perfect match for my i5-2500K), but the 1070Ti is 60-80% faster than that depending on what you play.
As for CPU coolers, the "boxed" ones are crap, sorry to say.
For gaming I recommend unlocked ("K" type) Intel CPUs, you can easily raise their multiplier and get some 10-20% extra performance without needing to overclock anything else on your board and without having to raise the supply voltage or do other dangerous things, only thing needed is a reasonable custom cooler.
]cheers[
Mike
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Hi guys, thanks for your suggestions!
@Mitthrawnuruodo: I wish to install, over time, most of IL-2 great battles, P3D, DCS, in addition to the beloved BAT. Often I do rendering also with solidworks2018 but with my present pc is a nightmare... For the future I wish to get Oculus Rift also.....
@Storebror: I try to made a new config with AMD, then I will show you the new config.
Thanks mates! Ciao!
Marco
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I try to made a new config with AMD
You mean with Intel.
]cheers[
Mike
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Hi guys, a couple of new config.
Intel: http://www.ankermann.com/configuratore-pc.htm?rc=672f5faec45801c4322742fb100777a1
Ryzen: http://www.ankermann.com/configuratore-pc.htm?rc=8400715ea6e6a699f037ec0e9dff84a0
It seems with intel cpu the performance in gaming and workstation/cad are a little bit less.
Ciao!
Marco
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I try to made a new config with AMD
You mean with Intel.
]cheers[
Mike
Oopss.... yes Mike....with Intel... ;)
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Alternative Config from same supplier, cheaper and much more powerful:
https://www.ankermann.com/en/desktop-pc-configurator.htm#efa0f86eecfa5a6f13fbfa81e170c990
Other supplier saves you another 150 bucks:
https://www.mindfactory.de/shopping_cart.php/basket_action/load_basket_extern/id/b878802217aea4907f14c1e2e5502a549777fe0f9c335381c2a
]cheers[
Mike
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Thank you Mike!! ]wav[
Mindfactory is only in German?
Marco
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Yes but they send to Italy, it's "Zone 2" in their list, 30 bucks shipment.
Ankermann is a german company as well, it's just that their website is available in english too.
]cheers[
Mike
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Thanks Mike! ]thumright[
Ciao!
Marco
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Alternative Config from same supplier, cheaper and much more powerful:
https://www.ankermann.com/en/desktop-pc-configurator.htm#efa0f86eecfa5a6f13fbfa81e170c990
Mike but this config is ok for oculus rift?
Ciao!
Marco
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I just grabbed me an i5-9600K, will build the new system next week.
Either you get a recommendation from me then, or a word of warning.
FYI: New Board/CPU/Cooler/RAM has been installed and is working well.
I didn't find time to check the overclocking capabilities yet, but the performance at stock clock rates is already well beyond what my old trusty and rusty i5-2500K could deliver, even though both run at roughly the same clock rate (my i5-2500K was OC'ed to 4.2 GHz, the new i5-9600K has clock rates from 3.7 - 4.6 GHz).
What I can tell already is that the new 9000 series CPUs are hotheads compared to my old 2000 series.
Blame it on the soldered heat spreader which replaces the direct die/spreader connection of previous Intel CPUs.
Unfortunately it turned out that my initial plan to swap hardware without reinstalling Windows 10 from scratch didn't really come together.
Despite all required preparations (link local Windows 10 account to MS account, uninstall all mainboard drivers, set "safeboot minimal" flags for first reboot with new hardware) I got stuck at a point I never thought I would.
Actually the PC with new hardware booted fine, both into safe mode and later to normal mode.
However, I could neither install nor uninstall anything.
No software, no drivers, not even Windows 10 in total.
Any attempt to install or uninstall anything would just lock up the whole system half way through and subsequently cause a boot loop with BSOD denoting a "bad system configuration".
I could then use the restore point I've created for the upgrade and get to the same point again, but never beyond.
So I've ended up having to reinstall everything from scratch, which works fine, but takes a couple of days as this is a development PC with an endless list of software installed...
]cheers[
Mike
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*update*
I've had my first couple of attempts to overclock the i5-9600K.
Internet says that they'll easily manage to get up to 5 GHz.
Can't confirm.
So far any overclocking attempt failed.
Not that the system would immediately become unstable, no...
I can even raise the CPU clock to 5GHz and load the memory module's XMP profile quite like I did with my old i5-2500K, without having to adjust anything else, but:
Games like Battle of Stalingrad will crash with random "access violation" exceptions, and prime95 shows rounding errors.
So I've tried to ease off on the clock rates a bit, tried without XMP, tried to raise voltage, tried different LLC settings, disabled VT-d, all that stuff you know...
I can get the system to be prime stable at 4.8 GHz without XMP and with LLC "turbo" (which is LLC5 if I understand correctly), but that still doesn't solve the game crashes.
For the moment, I've resorted to run the CPU at default clock rates and leave XMP off, that seems to be the only reliable option.
Therefore the (temporary) conclusion is that, unfortunately as I've been afraid of from the very beginning, the i5 is the lemon of the i9/i7/i5 tree, and if you want to overclock your CPU, prepare to spend the money on the i9 or you might end up with a CPU that just refuses to work stable on any other but the stock clock rates, quite like me.
]cheers[
Mike
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Well that is a pain re software and lack of stability.
And for reference, yet another thread: My system doesnt run/my system runs fine. But I thought well just in case.
https://www.reddit.com/r/overclocking/comments/9u4bz4/i5_9600k_overclocking/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/overclocking/comments/9u4bz4/i5_9600k_overclocking/)
Best of luck. Hope that you can get the #'s you want.
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I gave up on the overclocking front, no success to me.
Stock rates or unstable system is the choice I have.
Maybe future BIOS updates will change something but I don't think so.
Furthermore, another word of warning:
My new system causes massive noise induced through the PCIe connectors whenever there's GPU activity.
This must be a mainboard thing, because the GPU and my soundcard are the same as before, and I cannot cure it by moving the soundcard to another PCIe slot or by attempting to shield it.
My Soundcard is - or better was - a Soundblast Z internal PCIe card.
I can put it right next on top or below the graphics card, or 3 slots further at the other end of the motherboard - no change.
There's no other cable crossing the Soundcard. No front panel connected either.
CPU load doesn't cause anything similar.
Disabling C-States doesn't help either.
As soon as the GPU becomes busy, there's all kind of freaking noise on the microphone input.
The only way to get rid of it is to apply the background noise filter on the Soundblaster config panel, but that makes the mic sound like you've got a pillow on your mic.
I've tried many things and finally kicked out the Soundblaster and switched to the onboard sound instead.
It shows the same GPU dependent board-induced noise, but at least he noise filter works much better there.
I did consider buying a USB soundcard already, but stepped back from that after having read about the massive driver/software issues people are having with these on Windows 10:
https://www.amazon.com/Creative-Performance-Headphone-Integrated-Microphone/dp/B00EZT7RE4
https://www.amazon.de/Soundkarte-Doppelmikrofon-Array-konfigurierbare-Studio-Audiotechnologien-600-Ohm-Kopfhörerverstärker/dp/B00F8VB0IW
I'll try whether I can deal with the onboard sound.
If not, I'll have to see what I can do.
Either way, can't really recommend my new mainboard, a Gigabyte Z390 Gaming X, because of the noise it seems to have on the PCIe lines.
]cheers[
Mike
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This info is a bit old but may works for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE_r2pzbHYc
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Thanks Istvan.
It's indeed a bit dated, there's a newer OC guide available for my board series here: https://www.gigabyte.com/FileUpload/Global/multimedia/2/file/525/946.pdf
It's not that I don't know how to do it, I've done such things before.
The problem is that whatever I touch in there, even if I just rase the 4-Core Turbo ratio by 1 single tick, or the base ration by 1 tick, or change the LLC to any other but "auto", or change the uncore ratio, or change the memory clock rate, any single attempt like that will always end up in prime and/or game instability, and combined attempts will just make matters worse.
The only thing that works is default clocks.
]cheers[
Mike
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*Update*
Two days ago I've had enough of the constant hassles and decided to give the new hardware a last chance by dismantling the whole PC, cleaning up everything and rebuilding it from scratch.
This included the removal of CPU cooler and replacement of thermal grease (even though my initial attempt looked fine after removal), the cleaning of PCIe slot contacts on my extension cards, especially the GPU, and conserving these using "Kontakt 61".
And, last but not least, right when I finished rebuilding the rig, Gigabyte released a new "F7" BIOS with "enhanced stability" and "performance improvements".
Lo and behold, CPU temps fell by about 10° so I've got a safety margin of 25° to throttling level at prime95 AVX tests now.
Noise on the soundcards is still almost as bad as before.
I am able to load the XMP memory profile in "stability" mode now.
Overclocking the base clock by 100MHz seemed to work as well, but I've reverted to stock clocks temporarily to ensure a reliable operation first.
I won't say that everything's fine now, but at least it's not as bad as before.
If there wasn't any improvement I would have sent the whole shit back.
]cheers[
Mike