Special Aircraft Service
Individual Mods and Packs for IL-2 1946 => Aircraft => French/Spanish_Singles => Topic started by: Dreamk on April 09, 2012, 12:09:47 PM
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This evening, a trio of uncommon aircraft is joining "La Glorosia" - The Gourdou Leseurre 32 and derived Gl-633 and GL-450
(https://www.sas1946.rocks/images/imageshit/img341/5915/gl450.gif)
(https://www.sas1946.rocks/images/imageshit/img696/6641/gl633.gif)
(https://www.sas1946.rocks/images/imageshit/img841/3269/gl32.gif)
The Gourdou-Leseurre is often disregarded as "outdated antique" - this is wrong. The GL-32 was a good fighter in his time, teh GL-633 was locally developped by the Spaniards to exploit the qualities of this plane in diving. The GL-40 variant was devised from the start as a dive-bomber/fighter by the French (and apprently at least one reached Spain). This was a very good and nimble plane, but its evolution was cut off by the taking over of the company by Loire, and buy the successive re-organisation of this last company - typical of the situation prevalent in French aeronautical industry in the thirties (the Italians, the Americans and to some extent the Germans, understood rightly that the basis for a healthy aeronautical industry was the civilian transport sector - others who didn't understand that, crumbled soooner or later).
The FM is different for each plane, as historically - they are the juncture between ww1 and ww2 technologies and this is felt - high torque, low speed on the Gl32, lower torque, but still quite felt and definitively higher speed on the GL450, with the GL633 in between - All these planes are fantastic gliders and acrobacy palnes due to their parasol conception and large wing area. This may be paradoxally a problem when you want to land as to reduce speed fast in order while deceasing altitude to land is not always obvious - it demands a long approach generally.
The 450 (also called 410 in some sources), has, as a matter of fact, an engine almost identical to the M-22 of the first series I15 Chatos, and increased stabilizators surface, reshapped fin and backswept wings - it has surprizingly different characteristics from the others though looking generally similar -as a matter of fact it was a trial done in 1936 to get a "new life" to these planes as makeshift fighters - it didn't succeed as the concurence was the Dewoitine 510, and already in the pipeline the Dewoitine D520, and it was totally outclassed.
Dowload links:
Gourdou Leseurre 32.rar
https://www.mediafire.com/?3budrxuwvey3rb4
or
http://ifolder.ru/29828779
Arms_France updated (edited by SAS~Epervier)
https://www.mediafire.com/?a7y12m23y3n9u63
(you need to drop the Arms_France folder in your mod directory (for instance the #SAS) in order to be able to load the Gourdous as the use some of this French ordnance.)
The mobile rack works fine...in level bombing - in dive bombing there is a bug inherent to the fact that apprently the bomb hook cannot be linked to a mobile part and the initial ballistic trajectory of the bomb in dive bombing is somehow strange in Il2 - something I already knew - probably its' the reason why neithere the Stuka nor the Dauntless have such a mobile arm, but anyway, I think it adds something....
The cockpits are much too modern for this plane (the real cockpit was very close to the SPAD XIII one) but real historical cockpit will come later
These planes include the full range of French Bombs of the thirties - Meshes and Hashed Java Files, ready to use on new planes - (although the Gourdous use only 2 of them) - 10kg Incendary, 10kg PA, 40kg Fragmentation, 50kg Type A, 50kg Type DT, 50 kg Type GAMM, 100kg Modele 1930, 200kg Modele 1930, 500kg Modele 1930, and a GPU pylon.
I found period official documentation on French, Russian and Italian ordnance, and even on Spanish ordnance (pre-war, Republican, Catalan Republican, National) Bomb paint is an interesting thing subject - The yellow is in fact the classical "French postal yellow" used traditionally for public metal installations standing exposed to outside weather such as public mail boxes - a medium ochre yellow covering the red minium anti-rust paint used in France. This is by the way an issue found generally with other countries bombs. The Italian bombs for instance were grey, light blue or blue (and there happen to be "interesting" shades of this colours in the vartious simulators, including Il2....very beautiful but totally missing the historical real shades) But let's take for instance the grey of Italian bombs - and when you look at samples present in Italian museum (or photos form the ones at the museo del aire) you understand at once what it is really - it's the color of the classic Italian anti-rust paint. The light blue and medium blue described in official docuuments become also obvious when you look at remants of Italian bombs - classical Italian Lorries paint of the 30-60s (what they probably were - lorry and locomotive truck paints were frequently used for painting bombs all over Europe) - quite far from the "artistic" creations of some illustrators/skinners. Same thing for the medium blue and asphalt grey Russian bombs.
Additions to air.ini:
GL32 air.GL32 NOINFO i01 SUMMER
GL633 air.GL633 NOINFO i01 SUMMER
GL450 air.GL450 NOINFO i01 SUMMER
Additions to plane_ru.properties:
GL32 Gourdou-Lesseure 32, 1928
GL633 Gourdou-Lesseure 633, 1936
GL450 Gourdou-Lesseure 450, 1936
Additions to weapons.ru
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# GL32
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GL32.2xVickers 2 Vickers MkIII 7.7mm
GL32.2xVickers+2x100KgHE 2 Vickers MkIII 7.7mm & 2 100Kg HE modele 1930
GL32.2xVickers+2x50KgHEtypeA 2 Vickers MkIII 7.7mm & 2 50Kg HE TypeA
GL32.none Empty
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# GL633
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GL633.2xVickers 2 Vickers MkIII 7.7mm
GL633.2xVickers+1x200KgHE 2 Vickers MkIII 7.7mm & 1 200Kg HE modele 1930
GL633.2xVickers+1x100KgHE+2x50kgHE GAMM 2 Vickers MkIII 7.7mm & 1 100Kg HE modele 1930 +2 50Kg HE GAMMm
GL633.2xVickers+2x100KgHE 2 Vickers MkIII 7.7mm & 2 100Kg HE modele 1930
GL633.2xVickers+2x50KgHEDT 2 Vickers MkIII 7.7mm & 2 50Kg HE DT
GL633.none Empty
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# GL450
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GL450.2xVickers 2 Vickers MkIII 7.7mm
GL450.2xVickers+1x200KgHE 2 Vickers MkIII 7.7mm & 1 200Kg HE modele 1930
GL450.2xVickers+1x100KgHE+2x50kgHE GAMM 2 Vickers MkIII 7.7mm & 1 100Kg HE modele 1930 +2 50Kg HE GAMMm
GL633.2xVickers+2x100KgHE 2 Vickers MkIII 7.7mm & 2 100Kg HE modele 1930
GL633.2xVickers+2x40KgFrag 2 Vickers MkIII 7.7mm & 2 40Kg Fragmentation
GL633.none Empty
This mod is for 4.10 and has been tested on SAS modact and DBW 1.7
This package is freeware.
This software may be freely used, copied and distributed with the following restrictions:
1) the present post must be included as a "Readme" text file.
2) DO NOT place these files anywhere that requires a fee for downloading.
3) DO NOT place any of these files in any commercial package or any CD collection without the authors consent.
Original 3dModel, Java Files, FM: Dreamk
Skins and template: Agracier
Flight Testing: Real Darko
Theses files should not cause any problems with your computer, but we accept no responsibility if you think it does.
Thanks to Oleg Maddox and Qtim for creating Il2 and opening the gates to Mod creation, to Kumpel for his matrix tool, and thanks to SAS for enabling modders to share their knowledge on Il2 modding.
Create!
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Link to a template
https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,24812.0.html
Link to various skins
https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,24813.0.html
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With this pack you get the advantage of knowledge with lesser-known aircraft!
Thank you very much !
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Right ... these are planes no one would ever dream of otherwise putting into a commercial sim ... which is a shame cause they are wonderfully colorful and ramshackle and atmospheric of the times.
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Thank you for this! Even new Arms...fantastic :)
And I like how La Gloriosa planes are tuned, everyone with own and particular flight behavior: a superb work on FMs, bravo!
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I'm going to fly G-L 32 on Il-2... Incredible !
Great work !
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In two words:im-pressive!
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WOW
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OUTSTANDING!!!!!
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Mass production of remarkable planes! Many thanks to all involved (again and again...) 8)
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Wow ! So many french planes in a few days, I'm so happy I feel like a kid in a toys store. Many many thanks to the whole team, fantastic work (http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu224/phbrajon/Trop_top.gif)
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OK, you got me there. I had bet that next deliver would be the Letov because you said fighters first and, for me, SCW Gourdou Lesseurres were more in the bomber category, but you're right, GL-32 was fighter stuff. :P
Thanks a lot. Circo Krone, here we come!!! ;D
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+10^10 to all "thank you" to Dreamk. SCW week on SAS1946 should be recorded to Guinners book.
One question about this aircraft. I looked at number of photos and pics of GL series planes and haven't found any wing armament (particulary those huge barrels on 450 model). Russian sources claim it was armed with 2 synchronized (not wing mounted) machine-guns. Is it historical "for Spain only" variant? Can you clear this situation?
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I looked at number of photos and pics of GL series planes and haven't found any wing armament
in some photos of 633 they are visible
(http://envol.jerome.cavalli.free.fr/images/images_source/GL-633.jpg)
(http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/bww1/gl633/gl633-3.jpg)
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Thanks, Ectoflyer. Is this photographed fighter Spanish?
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Sources are not generous of details http://www.airwar.ru/enc/bww1/gl633.html
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Thanks, Ectoflyer. Is this photographed fighter Spanish?
Yes it is. It has the code 'LG' on the fuselage which is the Republican code for the Gourdou-Leseurre 633.
Cheers - Redfox
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As a matter of fact the original GL32 was armed with 2 cowling Vickers 7.7mm and 2 optional wings 7.7mm - a very strong armament for the late 20s (not even the thirties!)
The aircraft were decommissioned by the French Armee de l'air and stored a few years before the SCW begun. When the civil war erupted, the Spanish and Basque governemnts passed a command for such planes as they knew they had good record and could be available immediately - as a matter of fact only part of the planes were "re-activated stocked aircraft" , the Gourdou Factory re-activating its production line to complete the order with newly buil planes. In accordance to the Spanish demands the planes were furnished without armament (this was not so much a matter for the Gourdou as they were initially equipped for Vickers, but most if not all French planes from the mid-thirties onwards were equipped with 7,5mm caliber weapons, while the Spaniards used 7,7mm calibers - the assessment of the expected problems of maintainance and ammunition approvision brought the Spanish to a very logical conclusion, as Vickers 7,7 and adequate ammo were locallly produced in Spain and a standard equipment). Although Spanish sources give the armament of these planes as 2 wing mounted guns, we cannot exclude that some planes if not all were also equipped with the original cowling guns. A next update of the mod will include this option.
Bombs - which kind of bomb exactly was mounted in Spain under teh Gourdous is a matter of discussion as there is a lot of conflicting data. I decided to go after the photographic evidence and the original data of the plane (about its capacity of military load carrying) - and the conclusions are easy:
Maximum total bomb load: 200 Kg
Either a single 200Kg bomb under the fuselage, or 2x100kg under the wings struts (a GPU rack was installed there) - or 1x100Kg under the fuselage + 2x100 Kg under the wings
It is quite possible that insted of 100Kg bombs under teh wings they were equipped with 50Kg bombs, but photogarphic assessment of dimensions makes the former assumption rather valid.
BTW - most probably these bombs were not French bombs but locally produced Spanish Bombs (or even later Russian bombs - either imported or locally produced) but the as French wanted to sell their old bombs stocks, their use is quite a possibility if not a probability.
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Thanks again. Easter seems to be surpassing Christmas in the number of new planes coming out.
cheers
David Prosser
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Thanks DreamK - and anyone else involved in this sudden deluge of wonderful OLD aircraft!
We who benefit from all this creativity owe you a mozza!!
How many nations airforces operated at least one of these planes?, and so, how many obscure "Forgotten Battles" can we now re-create?
-and has the number of French planes suddenly quadrupled?? [at least]
This is just the greatest flight sim ever. No other can touch it for resurrection of so many long-departed aviation scenarios.
& that of course, was Oleg's aim. A visionary!
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How many nations airforces operated at least one of these planes?, and so, how many obscure "Forgotten Battles" can we now re-create?
A good place to start looking for operators of these or any planes is here:
http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww15/f
Sometimes you need to do a little searching in other sections besides fighters to find the model you're looking for. But in many cases you'll find a good many operators and profiles for some otherwise obscure and forgotten planes.
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Thank's for this french plane ;)
but a little problem with the stabilizator struts
(http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af19/leperemagloire/2e39a332.jpg)
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a little problem with the stabilizator struts
I will upload later a comprehensive fix, but in the meantime, you can edit manually the hier him files to correct this bug:
in hier32.him and in hier633.him, replace the current entries for [StrutsL_D0] and [StrustR_D0] by these ones:
[StrutsL_D0]
Mesh StrutsL_D0
Parent Tail1_D0
Separable
Attaching 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0.03
[StrutsR_D0]
Mesh StrutsR_D0
Parent Tail1_D0
Separable
Attaching 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0.03
In hier450.him, replace the current entries for [StrutsL_D0] and [StrustR_D0] by these ones:
[StrutsL_D0]
Mesh StrutsL_D0
Parent Tail1_D0
Separable
Attaching 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 -0.2 0.03
[StrutsR_D0]
Mesh StrutsR_D0
Parent Tail1_D0
Separable
Attaching 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 -0.2 0.03
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No problem,thank's ;)
hier modified work's fine now 8)
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To avoid seeing the pilot's feet:
In files hier32.him/hier450.him/hier633.him
Correct lines:
[Pilot1_D0]
Mesh Pilot1_D0
Parent CF_D0
Attaching 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 -0.05 -0.52
by putting :
[Pilot1_D0]
Mesh Pilot1_D0
Parent CF_D0
Attaching 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 -0.05 -0.40
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I'm going to have to take a month off just to have time to fly all these new aircraft you are producing. Great work. :)
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thanks for that link, A Gracier
Even in the SCW itself , this aircraft did things I'd never heard of, eg:
"...some were modified to carry two 110 lb bombs ...
A dive bombing attack led by Miguel Zambudio scored decisive hits on the Nationalist battleship
Espana in April 1937. The battleship finally sank, much credit going to the LGL-32 C.1 at a late stage in its career."
[Illustrated Encyclopedia of Aircraft, Orbis, 1983, p1995]
"...late stage.." is an understatement!
Fancy this li'l old plane doing that??! Billy Mitchell would have been impressed.
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As with several other aircraft by DreamK this one requires an active arming choice in order to avoid a "Mission Loading: Null"-error.
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Now there is a campaign for this aircraft:
(http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t286/Poltava/death-1.jpg)
More info here: https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,25796.0.html
Thanks for looking! :)
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can you re upload the arms file on mediafire? I can't get the other to work and the mediafire one says it's an invalid file.
I am very grateful!
CV
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The new, updated French bombs pack will be available soon for download together with teh Spanish bomb pack, as soon as I finish to giev the last touch to the 2 seaters pack - I hope in a couple of days (maybe 3 ;)) - 4 planes are already finalized and a 5th one is under completion in these very moments.
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thank you!
CV
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Thanks Dreamk. I guess I might need to write another two seater mission then.
cheers
David Prosser
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Arms_France
https://www.mediafire.com/?58gv1swqre4cukf
or
http://ifolder.ru/29751146
(you need to drop the Arms_France folder in your mod directory (for instance the #SAS) in order to be able to load the Gourdous as the use some of this French ordnance.)
This Mediafire link is down.
The russian download website is very confusing to use.
Any chance to upload this file again?
Thank you very much
Cheers
MAX
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see above
https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,24811.msg267864.html#msg267864
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Please post good link for Arms_France.rar. It is a broken link. The other link i don't know how to download. Its in a language i don't understand.
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The new, updated French bombs pack will be available soon for download together with the Spanish bomb pack, as soon as I finish to give the last touch to the 2 seaters pack - I hope in a couple of days (maybe 3 ;)) - 4 planes are already finalized and a 5th one is under completion in these very moments.
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The French arms are included in version 409... you just need to know the correct files Class. (http://gvla.perso.neuf.fr/Img_forum/music_whistling.gif)
Or wait a bit ...
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ai needs improvement. ai planes keep crashing into the ground.
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The new, updated French bombs pack will be available soon for download together with the Spanish bomb pack, as soon as I finish to give the last touch to the 2 seaters pack - I hope in a couple of days (maybe 3 ;)) - 4 planes are already finalized and a 5th one is under completion in these very moments.
Hmmm....It's been a couple of weeks...anyone know if this Arms_France file is available yet? Or is it available under a different filename? Thanks.
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The updated French have been released with the Potez 25 https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,26025.msg271097.html#msg271097 and with the Breguet 19 https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,26039.msg271387.html#msg271387
Direct link here:
Arms France Updated:
https://www.mediafire.com/?a7y12m23y3n9u63
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Thank you!! ;D
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No bombs available French and Spanish arms activated .
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Thnx for this great plane, but I couldn't install it properly i think. Game returns to desktop when 20% on loading screen. I use IL-2 DBW 1.71. Any ideas?
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Is that you have activated the bombs French Mod?
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Installed french bombs and using them on the other aircrafts with no problems.
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Archive (File crypted) corrupted ?
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No, there were no error messages while decompressing. But i redownloaded the file and tried again. Now works. Thnx for the tip.
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hi dreamk! strangely enough, reinstalling the plane i have the same 20% problem.. redownloaded the archive, both plane and bombs.. but again 20% ctd, still scratching my head.. :/
S!
andrea
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20% ctd means some java files are missing in the installation - generally due as a bad path - often when decompressing a suplementary subfolder is created, causing this kind of mistakes - you must have your java files in a Gourdou_Leseurre_32 folder and this folder in your mods folder.
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thank you dreamk :) i was thinking about some java things, but extraction path is correct with 3do folder and java files in the right places.. could be a missing necessary java from some other mod, or a conflict? in my last dbw install i had no problem at all with your scw planes, now i have different mods so.. boh LOL i must check when @ home
:D thank you again! (i'm drooling about your he111, you master' hehehe)
S!
Andrea
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Hi
I've got the same problem - after install plane game at 20% get crash. Any help?
Il-2 4.10.1m UP 3.0 Rc 4 with the new diffm and button.
THX
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Tested with partial success in 412.1:
Plane load and fly flawless , small issue in rear view due missing fuselage , gunsight misaligned (due 412.1 different POW I presume)....
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Where you have installed it?
Can you post a log?
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These mods are fully independent.
20% failure means you lack some java files in your installation - check whether you installed the full bombs pack together with this mod.