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the SAS Hangar => The Lounge => Topic started by: -Jäger- on October 13, 2018, 04:54:18 PM
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Hi all a friend recently offered me a old Desktop PC and i'd like to make it suitable for IL-2
Name of PC: Dell optipex 8100 L
Pictures of it (This one is mine) :
(https://i.postimg.cc/Hkvh7BX2/20181014-004449.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/PCZ4gb6p)
(https://i.postimg.cc/tCyw019h/20181014-004500.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/nMR0Bhjz)
Id like to set a GTX 550 ti on it with 4giga of RAM (He also need a internal hard disk of 100 Go)
My problem is : My power supply is only 240W is it enough ?( i try to find by myself) if no maybe it will become one when i'll install the Hard disk
He only have 1 Go of RAM ::( ::( and 10 giga memory
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If you have the money go bigger.. Here is a 850W for $100...
Shop around .
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2543336&CatId=106
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So the power supply is a real problem ?
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Yes, it is.
Too little power means your computer won't boot or it shuts down.
However, the quality of the power supply unit (PSU) is equally important: low quality PSU may very well fry up your computer. So don't buy the first and the cheapest high power PSU you come by. Google the model you are considering before you buy it.
The Thermaltake <Gunny> linked should be a decent one.
You may also want to check:
https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/650-Watt-Seasonic-FOCUS-Plus-Modular-80--Gold_1184027.html
https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/750-Watt-Corsair-RMX-Series-RM750x-Netzteil_1232451.html
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Man. I'm thinking about buying a new rig. This discussion makes me want to puke.
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To answer the OP: No, 240W is not enough.
You can see yourself e.g. here: https://outervision.com/power-supply-calculator
240W is typical Dell style: They put in what's barely capable to run the current config.
The base system, without Graphics card (using CPU integrated graphics) gets along with around 200W.
However the GTX 550Ti TDP os 116W (and overclocked cards from most vendors take a little more).
Nvidia's recommendation is a 400W PSU, actually a 350W will do as well.
]cheers[
Mike
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Thanks for all guys you help is precious :D
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Nvidia's recommendation is a 400W PSU, actually a 350W will do as well.
That is true, but I would suggest slightly more powerful PSU (500 -700 W) to leave some room for future expansions.
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My goal is very simple I just want a desktopo PC only for Il-2 so no worry after some modification to make it good for Il-2 it will never be upgraded
Here's a list of what I plans to do for it
-Change the power supply (as you say it is a real problem)
-Change the graphic card (I'm looing for a GTX550 ti)
-Add some SSD because this desktop pc have only A 40giga with Windows on it
I hope the processor wich is a Intel celeron D will not be a problem for Il-2 (because if yes i'll buy another PC something better
And I would put on the other what I had planned to put on the old )
I try to make it cheapest but suitable as possible
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I hope the processor wich is a Intel celeron D will not be a problem for Il-2
Celeron D is one crappy processor, but should be adequate.
(because if yes i'll buy another PC something better
And I would put on the other what I had planned to put on the old )
I try to make it cheapest but suitable as possible
That is excatly what I was thinking. If you invest a little bit ( ~ 20 €) more on the PSU now it is very easy to upgrade later: you only need to buy a new CPU and a new motherboard and you may leave everything else as it is.
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I hope the processor wich is a Intel celeron D will not be a problem for Il-2
Which one exactly?
It's a bit confusing since a Dell Optiplex 8100 doesn't seem to exist, let alone with a Celeron D.
We need the precise specs to tell more.
Concerning the PSU Shakaali of course is right when saying "the more the merrier".
PSUs wear out, what's enough today might be on the edge next week and will fail next month in that case.
]cheers[
Mike
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Sugest visit https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/build-your-own-pc,2601.html Need read, study, do comparison quality/price... the best way to have a great computer is built selecting part by part.
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Dell Optiplex 8100
Oh sorry its an optiplex 210 L
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Sugest visit
Thanks 8)
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Which one exactly?
I dont know its written in the box
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Hi !
Before you are going to waste any money: This machine isn't capable to run a GF 550 Ti. It simply doesn't provide an expansion slot for a non-PCI graphics card. So you'd better forget about that.
You can look for a second hand or slightly outdated PC, which will meet your specs, instead, for example here: https://www.lapstore.de/f.php/shop/lapstore/f/485/lang/x/kw/Desktop-PCs.
My kids are running machine bought there. Most of the machines need an additional graphics card, so bear that in mind by calculating.
Graphic cards need an internal PCI Express x16 slot. Most of them will occupy two slots. Some of those machines offered there will need a low profile card, so take care.
Or you should consider about building your own rig:
For running a stutterfree Il2 you'll need (Mike might correct me :) ):
a boxed CPU with at least 3 GHz (in turbo mode), doesn't really matter, wether dual or multi core (boxed means, that there is a fan provided - unfortuately they are a bit noisy, but they will do);
Mainboard with a socket according to the CPU and 2 - better 4 - banks for RAM; it should provide USB 3 and SATA III (6GB/s), too; in case of an Intel CPU you'd run a board with Intel chipset;
4 GB RAM DDR3 or DDR4, better 8 or 16 GB (the more the better); if you can't afford it at the moment, buy 4 now and another similiar (!) 4 GB stick later:
Graphic card (not CPU integrated) - best for IL2 are NVIDIA ones (AMD will do, too), choose one with GTX in the name;
PSU with some 500 W (I run a Thermaltake Berlin with 450 W and I'm happy with it - it is silent);
HDU SATA III with as much cache as you can afford (32 or 64 or even more);
SSD is nice to have but not really necessary - you'll need 40 GB for Windows and another 70 for Il2 BAT, so a 120 GB SSD will do, 240 will be better;
Windows; take a 64bit version - you can take the one delivered with your Dell Computer as long as it's Windows 7. There are tools to read out the key;
and a case. A midi case will do, have a look that the provided front connectors suit your mainboard, and it should provide a least one fan; a second one will be better.
Good will be a skillful friend, who can lend a helpful hand. And take yourself the time, read and learn and understand, what you are doing. You don't need to be a technican as long as you know how to use a screwdriver.
Il2 will be still be there when you are ready.
Good luck!
BigMug
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Valid point BigMug.
Indeed the Optiplex 210L has 2 PCI slots and 1 PCIe x1 slot only.
That's a bummer, since it essentially rules out any graphics card addon.
]cheers[
Mike
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Bigmug I dont know how can I thank you except with a Thank you ;D
Or you should consider about building your own rig
I'm not going to lost more time i'm going to build my own but a point scare me how much windows will cost ? how can i install it properly ?
Or maybe just buy a More recent PC with better processor (Intel core i3 or later) ,A pc with windows already install?
So much question to answer
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Check out https://pcpartpicker.com/
The pc I'd currently build would look like this
Corsair Carbide mid-tower / ATX case
i5-6600k processor
ASUS PRIME B350-PLUS motherboard
EVGA or Corsair psu 500w+
480Gb Kingston SSD A400
8Gb RAM
Nvidia GTX1050
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From what price a pc is correct for Il2 ?
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Is there a valid answer for that question?
I mean honestly, the minimum specs for a PC capable of running IL-2 1946 maxed out are easily met by PCs which have seen end of sale about a decade ago.
]cheers[
Mike
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Hi!
It's easy:
If you have the money, buy a new one. A good, modern mid gaming PC is about € 750,00 - €1.000,00.
If you don't have that much, take a second hand refurbished one. The graphic card should provide 4 GB DDR5 RAM. So the GTX 1050 mentioned by vpmedia should be the 4GB one. I'm running a Gigabyte GTX 1050 Ti 4GB myself and it's wonderful and silent. It costs approx. €160,00 at the moment. So your budget ./. € 160,00 = Money to spend for a good second hand, refurbished machine. (see the link in my last post - they display their page in French, too. The HP ones are great.). Take good care, that it provides an PCIe x 16 slot. Most of them have Windows preinstalled.
Open the case, install the graphics and the driver.
And that's it. Have fun gaming.
Building your own PC - well, we could spend hours on this theme. That's not useful here. So if you have a nerd in the neighborhood or a shop you trust, simply ask for assistance. And if you have a public library around, get yourself a cup of coffee (I'd prefer tea) and a scrapbook and have fun in reading all the books in the IT department.
And - as mentioned in a post above, Tom's Hardware is a good point to start, or the page of your local PC magazine. They all provide checklists for building your own PC. As IL2 is an old game, you don't need a running horse, but if you want to let the Great Battles into your life later on, you should have an eye on that threads and specifications, too.
Regards,
BigMug
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There are a ton of good pc build channels on youtube: check out the channels of CareyHolzman, Tech Yes City, Tech by Matt or Paul's Hardware if you want to learn this stuff.
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Guys I think i've found what I need just check this (Note I'll change the graphic card)
Check here :https://www.leboncoin.fr/vi/1355902708.htm/
On the third picture youll see what's inside
Concerning Il-2 great battles for now Im not interrested in only My dear Il2 1946 modded :D
Concerning Youtube channel I keep them aside in case one day I would like to serve (If I had to build a real PC)
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you don't need a running horse
I hope :-[
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Bonjour!
Sorry to say, but the one you've chosen displays a quite good board, but the weak CPU, the graphic slot running only on 4 lanes and no free RAM slot makes it wasted money.
You'd better give this one a try:
https://www.leboncoin.fr/vi/1357490914.htm/
In fact, this is the older one, but the CPU runs at 3,0+ GHz, you've got one slot free for another RAM (try to get exactly the same - then the RAM can run in dual channel, what may give you an up to 25% boost).
And the PCIe x 16 slot will have all lanes working, not only 4 as stated in the one you've chosen.
All you need is a good graphics card, as the HD 4670 is simply useless.
I can ship my old HD6850 to you - enough for a 23'' monitor. But you'll need two 6-pin connectors on the PSU for it. Just send me a pm.
Or you can search for a GTX 750 (TI - if possible) - that's a fine little card which needs no further power (AFAIK).
Have a nice day,
BigMug
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Slow processor! https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+E-350&id=249
IL-2 1946 is a cpu intensive game, meaning that you should buy the fastest processor you can afford. I assume that you would like to run missions with 100 planes in the air.
This is 10 times faster (for 420 EUR)
https://www.newegg.com/global/fr/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883794778
...or maybe this one with an added GTX550 (for less than 300 EUR)
https://www.newegg.com/global/fr/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883282732
I'd look for a PC which has a 3rd generation or later Intel i5 processor and at least 8Gb ram with a 400-500W+ power supply. Even office pc's will do, you can add a graphics card and you're good to go.
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Bonjour!
Hello okay I see I can get a GTX 770 for 25 is it okay for the PC youve show me ?
I can ship my old HD6850 to you
PM send !
Slow processor!
I dont want to spent that much money for A pc , your help still precious but as I say spend a lot of money isnt my goal
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Hi!
PM answered! :)
The GTX 770 is even better than the brandnew GTX 1050 Ti, but with a price of only 25,00 there is definitly something wrong with it. It's worth about € 190,00, even second hand. Good card due to the 256 bit interface.
Have a nice Day!
BigMug
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definitly something wrong
I've test it on Arma III she look okay and even if I something is wrong ive "only" lost 25 euro thats not that much expensive
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Download GPU-Z information utility and compare your results with data from here: https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-gtx-770.c1856 or simply google 'gpu-z gtx 770'.
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I've buy the desktop you recommend me Bigmug and guess what , its exactly what I was looking for I can run the perfect mod with high FPS and the screen resolution is correct I really thank you ;D it as Windows 10 and he his speed , no lag
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Have have mine, but I send it to the PC Depot for Upgrades
Optiplex 390 MT
OS Windows 7 professional 32 bits (Build 7601)
CPU i5-2400 Intel processors
M5DCD Motherboards
4GB memory card DDR2
New Upgrades
ASUS NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 TI
PSU 550W
Kingston 4GB DDR3 (8GB)
My computer is Upgrades at the PC Shop.
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Wow i have 4 go RAM DDR3 and a Sapphire radeon 4650 , i don't remember the processor
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PS: it's really suitable for Il-2 no bug no problem lot of fun