Special Aircraft Service
Individual Mods and Packs for IL-2 1946 => Other Mods => WIP => Topic started by: gio963tto on October 13, 2017, 10:08:03 AM
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Rumpler CIV
The Company Rumpler after the production of Etrich Taube started a new series with CI twoseater of great success and reliability, to improve it produced the CIV that together with DFW CIV was the main recco/ ligth bomber of German Imperial aviation in the last two years of war .
(https://s1.postimg.cc/3d7s6ov7e7/17.09.2017_13-34-56.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/26ogy36asr/)
(https://s1.postimg.cc/4uqomlxwwv/17.09.2017_13-35-05.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/5qn6227lcr/)
Tested only in "DBW1916" with Frankenplane.
URL:https://www.mediafire.com/file/i9gt2sam33w3ge6/RumplerCIV.7z (https://www.mediafire.com/file/i9gt2sam33w3ge6/RumplerCIV.7z)
Greetings Gio.
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Marvelous news ;D
Beautiful a/c especially the later streamlined variant :P
6000m + ceiling is very handy......I've always been a little worried about that radiator right in front of you though.....
Bullet through that would be most unpleasant o_O :D
Many thanks Gio for your continued WW I work
Cheers
Alfie
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Thanks for this much needed two seater, Gio.
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Thats one sleek looking beauty!
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(https://s1.postimg.cc/85p7cj4hwv/4745.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/2jngyo373f/)
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This one looks good too.
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(https://s1.postimg.cc/2ura84tygf/965.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/48dtc650h7/)
(https://s1.postimg.cc/38xpz05whr/966.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/48dtc68nnf/)
(https://s1.postimg.cc/2k4gezkin3/967.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/16hxay9gm3/)
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Great with more WWI planes, many thanks! :) :)
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(https://s1.postimg.cc/65uutie30f/20.10.2017_11-03-23.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/2f5p89p7sr/)
(https://s1.postimg.cc/75ay6oq1yn/20.10.2017_11-03-29.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/4e1vym3xwr/)
(https://s1.postimg.cc/62b8vsxv9b/20.10.2017_11-03-36.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/88anhkpj0b/)
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Very nice stiv ;).
Un saludo.
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Because of problems with the eyes, have to take breaks in work. That's what I did at the moment.
(https://s1.postimg.cc/6bd4ie3727/02.11.2017_10-18-42.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/171ft439tn/)
(https://s1.postimg.cc/2rr6sl1zan/02.11.2017_10-18-54.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/1vupd4sauj/)
(https://s1.postimg.cc/45dpwmejbz/02.11.2017_10-18-58.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/2a154023q3/)
(https://s1.postimg.cc/45dpwmg1cf/02.11.2017_10-19-08.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/9nvucro9fv/)
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Excellent progress !
Now rest your tired eyes.....unfortunately it seems that Max has a similar problem :(
Cheers
Alfie
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Excellent progress !
Now rest your tired eyes.....unfortunately it seems that Max has a similar problem :(
Cheers
Alfie
I know it.
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(https://s18.postimg.cc/libcmkz15/12.11.2017_21-49-54.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/b88xnc95h/)
(https://s18.postimg.cc/slj828erd/12.11.2017_21-50-07.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/5k2mwhf3p/)
(https://s18.postimg.cc/prg2otf61/12.11.2017_21-50-29.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/4hsgdyyv9/)
(https://s18.postimg.cc/na4bhkq4p/12.11.2017_21-50-35.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/q47gv0sat/)
(https://s18.postimg.cc/b88xngr6x/12.11.2017_21-50-39.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/mklj58zvp/)
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(https://s18.postimg.cc/ofxfi0d3t/26.11.2017_22-09-03.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/xay9sj1w5/)
(https://s18.postimg.cc/4lbdvwsrd/26.11.2017_22-09-08.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/llua4l5sl/)
(https://s18.postimg.cc/gafdjwel5/26.11.2017_22-09-20.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/osoto8l3p/)
(https://s18.postimg.cc/7fej9fuyh/26.11.2017_22-09-30.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/3vsljms8l/)
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(https://s18.postimg.cc/4lcayrt8p/28.11.2017_0-41-05.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/am9zvufut/)
(https://s18.postimg.cc/5av3b5ond/28.11.2017_0-44-29.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/ju28ckhs5/)
(https://s18.postimg.cc/evepy1lp5/28.11.2017_0-45-31.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/wy7sp9hjp/)
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Excellent work as always my friend, nice to see you continue your work. 8)
Wishing you all the very best, Pete. ;D
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(https://s2.postimg.cc/m7bn0n509/28.11.2017_10-37-07.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/ftmjxe045/)
(https://s2.postimg.cc/wu5g630ax/28.11.2017_10-37-14.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/vf3vhcz7p/)
(https://s2.postimg.cc/rvhxrkbxl/28.11.2017_10-37-02.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/8qeohsx9h/)
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Excellent work as always my friend, nice to see you continue your work. 8)
+1
I'm looking forward to flying this very capable a/c 8)
Cheers
Alfie
PS Excellent fuselage staining :P
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Since there are no slots for the aircraft (there are late and early versions in the archive), the skin was made only for the late one.
https://yadi.sk/d/jSTA5c-O3Q8Qzs
(https://s2.postimg.cc/ux96kk5wp/28.11.2017_22-37-44.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/owbhnhjad/)
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As far as I understand, new skins and the plane itself are of no interest to anyone. In view of health problems. on this and stop.
https://yadi.sk/d/NJfdtIDA3QB8TS
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hello Stiv 069, I disagree as to the lack of interest in developing Rumpler C IV or any other aircraft. I rather believe that the work necessary for any novelty between our squadron demands an immense amount of work and we do not have among our skilled and already very busy Modders sufficient quantity of knowledgeable auxiliaries for a more equal division of labor. I sincerely hope that the skills of others grow and the tasks can be better proportioned to each one. Fingers crossed for that. I am very grateful to you and to all those who are having the goodwill and satisfaction in what they do and they provide so many joys to us all.
Greetings
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hello Stiv 069, I disagree as to the lack of interest in developing Rumpler C IV or any other aircraft. I rather believe that the work necessary for any novelty between our squadron demands an immense amount of work and we do not have among our skilled and already very busy Modders sufficient quantity of knowledgeable auxiliaries for a more equal division of labor. I sincerely hope that the skills of others grow and the tasks can be better proportioned to each one. Fingers crossed for that. I am very grateful to you and to all those who are having the goodwill and satisfaction in what they do and they provide so many joys to us all.
Greetings
Well, we'll see. So far, I've given Max and GIO, templates and skins. I have problems with the eyes, I'm limited in working on a computer.
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Once again, my thanks to you and to all the Modders and their vision to be fully restored as soon as possible are my wishes for your improvement.
cheers
Carlos
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I hope you make a quick recovery from your eye problems. New skins are always welcome.
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Hello Stiv,
I also disagree that no one is interested... I am sure that I am not the only one who has been watching your work here with interest, and I am also sure that others as well as myself think you have done a great job! But your health is more important- go take a well-deserved rest!
Cheers... -Michael
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+1
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+1
Rest your eyes.....and that includes not working on SUPERBLY DETAILED PLASTIX ]nono[ :D
Cheers
Alfie
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He makes great skins, Alfie. I always download them. I know I won't be disappointed.
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Early version of Rumpler. Skin from OZ in 1918.
https://yadi.sk/d/iYxbOQAZ3QFXgG
(https://s17.postimg.cc/ck84jhui7/02.12.2017_21-02-43.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/8b3ehbr8r/)
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Another great skin. :)
Thanks.
Un saludo.
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lovely aircraft! ww1 aircraft are always welcome!
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Thanks to Molva, the Rumpler has its own slot. Now Pioner 1 (g) is an early version and Rumpler C4 is the latest. The truth remains open who will bring to the logical end the work of GIO and Oleg.
https://yadi.sk/d/uqlgKAk-3QG7cN
(https://s17.postimg.cc/ck84jhui7/02.12.2017_21-02-43.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/8b3ehbr8r/)
(https://s17.postimg.cc/ht87exe8f/02.12.2017_21-02-52.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/4cb8w23wr/)
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Thanks to Molva, the Rumpler has its own slot. Now Pioner 1 (g) is an early version and Rumpler C4 is the latest. The truth remains open who will bring to the logical end the work of GIO and Oleg.
https://yadi.sk/d/uqlgKAk-3QG7cN
Suppose I should have looked in sooner, you now have your slot. 8)
Guess I wasted a Sunday evening:
(https://s33.postimg.cc/wyrq5diov/03.12.2017_23-15-31.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/c1vi0pknv/)
(https://s33.postimg.cc/tf5sfknov/03.12.2017_23-15-51.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/7fzdsd6uj/)
(https://s33.postimg.cc/w98xt0xkv/03.12.2017_23-50-53.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/4ynml3unv/)
(https://s33.postimg.cc/z3c36h7gv/03.12.2017_23-51-04.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/flhfqjaiz/)
Good night all. ;D
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Not at all. This slot did not solve the problem. No weapons, no bombs. And most importantly, only the latest version, GIO made both early and late versions.
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Many, many thanks to all involved in this initial project, and fingers crossed for the recovery of the health of your eyes Stiv069. All without exception we are each their way to the evolution of IL2.
Cheers
Carlos
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Oh Pete you little beauty !
I thought about asking you before I made my slot request...but you seemed to be up to your neck with the fine detail of your Lysander :P
Have you made a slot for the early Rumpler?
I'm particularly interested in how it compares to the early AEG's etc
Once again ...many thanks ;D
Cheers
Alfie
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A lovely plane that fills a gap in the DOF line-up. Thank you very much. Downloading now.
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I am getting mission loading failure null in dbw 1916 for 4.10. Anyone else? i tried several maps so not sure.
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works in 4.12 sas modact though
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Not at all. This slot did not solve the problem. No weapons, no bombs. And most importantly, only the latest version, GIO made both early and late versions.
Okay, I have not tried it out so assumed all would be done, currently the one of mine is also the standard I have not looked at the early or late yet and do not seem to have a skin for it. ;)
Oh Pete you little beauty !
I thought about asking you before I made my slot request...but you seemed to be up to your neck with the fine detail of your Lysander :P
Have you made a slot for the early Rumpler?
I'm particularly interested in how it compares to the early AEG's etc
Once again ...many thanks ;D
Cheers
Alfie
The Lysander is trying my patience and ability to the limit so I am taking time out from it. :D
My slot is using the classes I had for the Aviatik Rhino renamed, as with all the WWI stuff I did I am merely providing a base, you guys need to have someone look at the FM, something else beyond my abilities, it needs a dedicated WWI fan for that. ;)
I need information on bombs used so if any of you have that please post it.
Wishing you all the very best, Pete. ;D
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(https://s2.postimg.cc/faw9772ax/Rumpler_bomb_rack.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Flares + 4 x 25kg bombs.....a nuisance bomber :D
Cheers
Alfie
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Flares + 4 x 25kg bombs.....a nuisance bomber :D
Cheers
Alfie
Hello Alfie, thank you very much for the image, really appreciated. 8)
I did a search last night and all I found was a image from a scale model that did in fact show the arrangement you show, here is a mixed load I set
the other two are a full set of each:
arraylist.add(s);
hashmapint.put(Finger.Int(s), a_lweaponslot);
s = "2xPuW12_5Sturm+2xPuW12_5Inc";
a_lweaponslot = new Aircraft._WeaponSlot[byte0];
a_lweaponslot[0] = new Aircraft._WeaponSlot(0, "MGunSpandauMaxim08s", 582);
a_lweaponslot[1] = new Aircraft._WeaponSlot(10, "MGunMG14Parabellumt", 582);
a_lweaponslot[2] = new Aircraft._WeaponSlot(3, "BombGunPuW10IncG", 1);
a_lweaponslot[3] = new Aircraft._WeaponSlot(3, "BombGunPuW12_5AG", 1);
a_lweaponslot[4] = new Aircraft._WeaponSlot(3, "BombGunPuW10IncG", 1);
a_lweaponslot[5] = new Aircraft._WeaponSlot(3, "BombGunPuW12_5AG", 1);
Gio has already set the hooks but they are at the other side of the fuselage, Mstislav has also painted what I think to be the bomb doors on that side as well. o_O
What to do, move them across or leave as is? :-|
I also managed to find a book that was sent to me a long while ago, one of many, most likely from Gio or Max I cannot remember.
Wishing you all the very best, Pete. ;D
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Greetings... Here's how it's working for me:
DBW1916- I can fly the early version (with the spinner)just fine, however... 1) the muzzle flash for the forward-firing mg is in the wrong place, 2) observer's mg won't fire, 3) propeller rotation and landing gear wheel rotation are backwards, 4) It seems to have the wrong effects for the engine start (the nose of the plane is engulfed in flame). With the C.IV- late version, I get the same mission loading error null that dsawan got, on some different maps.
So I installed the aircraft in BAT/DOF... At first, the game crashed at 60% loading. I opened air.ini and disabled the early version, and started the game again, and it loaded fine. In BAT, I can fly the late version and it flies fine, but... 1) no guns at all, 2) no loadouts at all- I'm not sure what it's supposed to have, but I haven't gone back to my book to see what it should be, and 3) not only are the wheels rolling backwards and the prop running in reverse, but the ailerons are reversed as well. It also seems that the engine is linked to some rotary engine sound file- it has that full throttle sound with a 'ignition switch' type of blip to it, like an Oberursel or something.
Please don't get me wrong- I really like these planes, and these examples are fun to fly, as well as good looking. I'm just looking forward to seeing these birds with all the bugs ironed out...
Thanks! -M.Z.
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Rampler C IV_early_1917
https://yadi.sk/d/7Y030zSf3QPNqg
(https://s17.postimg.cc/yfy2zx5lb/07.12.2017_9-19-55.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/p85uj7yiz/)
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I'm just looking forward to seeing these birds with all the bugs ironed out...
Aren't we all :))
Mate, this is a WIP thread...the Rumpler isn't released yet
Let Mission_bug work his magic 8)
I see stiv_069 has got his paintbrushes out again :P
Cheers
Alfie
PS I know what you mean about the rotary blip switch sound....the Spad X III has it too
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Rampler C IV_early_1917
https://yadi.sk/d/7Y030zSf3QPNqg
Thank you very much for the skin Mstislav, really appreciated, your work always further enhances Gio's excellent models. 8)
Which of those we have so far would be the best skin for the model I am working on now, does it matter?
The cockpit I showed earlier is from another aircraft, however, the Rumpler has a steering wheel so I am going to get
the parts in Gios's model working as best I can to give it that authentic look. ;)
I have moved the gunners seat to fit under the crew member:
(https://s8.postimg.cc/4didnlxqt/Rumpler_1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/xso1wm2a9/)
To get things to work I needed to separate them from the interior mesh:
(https://s8.postimg.cc/s4hr5qst1/Rumpler_2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/iwpip1lqp/)
Here you see the throttle working:
(https://s8.postimg.cc/yuy8f7atx/Rumpler_3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/qcosav4b5/)
Gunner looking over the pilot:
(https://s8.postimg.cc/bthn9g3gl/Rumpler_4.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/iwpip28w1/)
Work will be slow guys, health issues mean I cannot spend much time at the machine, it has to be done a bit at
a time through the day but once I finish the main model I just need to make changes for the other two to reflect
those differences.
Wishing you all the very best, Pete. ;D
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Rumpler CIV late, 1917
https://yadi.sk/d/CLX23zqg3QQZsG
(https://s17.postimg.cc/ou0dpmo3j/07.12.2017_21-55-26.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/neyt0wn0b/)
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No worries, Alfie- I just figure that one can't fix something if they don't know it's broke, and WIP is a good time to do that... I'm patient, and thankful... ;D
-M. Z.
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Just a quick update. ;)
The throttle bar is now aligned correctly and moves in relation to the lever, also the rudder bar is operable
as is the steering column, seen here pushed forward:
(https://s8.postimg.cc/ixi01wk3p/Rumpler_5.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/mtvbxw535/)
And here pulled back and the wheel turned:
(https://s8.postimg.cc/9cydf12hh/Rumpler_6.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/4r296ogy9/)
Wishing you all the very best, Pete. ;D
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Hello guys, progress is slow but getting there. ;)
Three gauges are working, how well though I do not know but they move, top is speed and those below I think
translate to water and oil temperature. Difficult to see if the two temperature ones were moving so I put her into
dive and they did:
(https://s33.postimg.cc/pvqbw5l27/11.12.2017_20-27-57.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/3wjx8y47v/)
Cockpit and gunner positions with parts added from the aircraft, wing blended nicely I think once I cut a bit off:
(https://s33.postimg.cc/jusmz3dvj/11.12.2017_21-49-35.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/3jsj2s1dn/)
(https://s33.postimg.cc/an0eifwjj/11.12.2017_21-50-04.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/i2zo48k8r/)
I will not be making the other levers work so this is as good as it gets. :D
Edit:
My update has been released into the WWI section. ;)
https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,57497.0.html
Wishing you all the very best, Pete. ;D
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One thing I'd like to mention between the early and later models of this plane..
Like the DFW C.V, the early version Rumpler used a 160 hp Mercedes D.III engine, and quite likely had a more primitive radiator arrangement, either fuselage mounted 'elephant ears' or the rectangular upper wing with an expansion tank.
While the later models, especially the ones used for high altitude observation, ( these are the most famous ones as they were able to outrun Viper powered SE5a's at altitude..) ran the over compressed Benz IVa 230 hp engine, which was physically bigger and ran OHV w/ pushrods and 4 valves per cylinder. I have a couple fairly moderate rez 3d models of the Benz family of engines, if someone wants to play around with converting it to .msh.
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One thing I'd like to mention between the early and later models of this plane..
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Hello Unca-Fester, sorry just catching up on things, first of all welcome to the forums, always good to see new people around here. 8)
Thank you very much for the information, really appreciated. ;)
The three models now released are by gio963tto, he is the 3d artist, I try and get his creations into the game as best as I can but the release pack contains the java and other stuff used to get them working so if anyone wants to take up your kind offer of a different engine all are welcome, thank you very much.
As far as I know Gio will not expand the pack further and I have health issues that prevent me doing much these days, however, I can add other slots if someone wants to make changes to the 3d and add it using the hier.him.
The FM file used on these was a place holder and really needs the attention of someone good at that sort of thing, I should really have made three separate files for that even if they were all identical to save others needing to add that in the java and still can if there is a need.
I do just enough to get things in game for Gio and others, the hope is that someone who might wish can then take the project further as my main interest is not WWI, I am merely a facilitator and no expert on the subjects sadly or java and FMs
Wishing you all the very best, Pete. ;D
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I'll have to look into what is involved in making and adding fixes and new aircraft. I'm good at .xml's and modding .ac files for FlightGear, this IL2 realm seems a lot more complicated. Making flight models, does it involve hex editing and commandline stuff?
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I'll have to look into what is involved in making and adding fixes and new aircraft. I'm good at .xml's and modding .ac files for FlightGear, this IL2 realm seems a lot more complicated. Making flight models, does it involve hex editing and commandline stuff?
Hello Unca-Fester, the process for anyone trying to learn what is involved in making models for IL-2 is a long one if like me you had to start from scratch, my Lysander has been on the go for six years or so, admittedly other projects and breaks from the game elongated that time span.
You have the advantage of already being a 3d modeler, some here just add the aircraft but omit some of the other items such as the damage model that is needed to make their aircraft fully IL-2 authentic shall we say, the models for this game are far more complex than say FSX.
Where to start from your point of view?
Some start with conversions of existing aircraft, maybe change the java to add new weapons, add different surfaces to create a slightly different version of the plane, say new wing, tail etc. for earlier or later types and gain knowledge that way of the new challenge IL-2 gives.
As for FM, if you look at the release thread of the Rumpler you will find I include java classes and the parts for the FM.
So you could start say by adding your engine model to that, Engine1_D0 is the part, a straight swap once your 3d part complies.
Using the hier.him you could add further parts.
To change the aircraft type name you need to alter the java, Mike wrote a excellent tutorial here for eclipse:
https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/board,132.0.html
There are many others in that section.
For the FM to be altered you need NTRK wizard:
https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,42832.msg481509.html#msg481509
You will need the fmd and emd files, one is for the aircraft and one for engine, combined they make the FM.
The plane class needs a new entry if you rename the FM so the game knows what to look for.
If you take a look in the download for the Rumpler and combine what I included with the tutorials you could re-engine and and re-name one of those models and give it a new FM as a first step into the game.
If you use that as a first step eventually you can go the whole way and add your own aircraft into the game.
Hope that helps.
Wishing you all the very best, Pete. ;D
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Thanks, these skins are FANTASTIC
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Thanks, these skins are FANTASTIC
skins
http://www.forum.aviaskins.com/showthread.php?t=4909
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They're in my skin folder now.