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Individual Mods and Packs for IL-2 1946 => Aircraft => WWI => Topic started by: Dreamk on May 06, 2018, 02:16:13 PM

Title: Orient is Red - Krarsnyi Vostok - Part 1 v1.0 Ansaldo A1, Sikorsky S12, S12bis, S16-3 S16ser Moscam MB & MB bis
Post by: Dreamk on May 06, 2018, 02:16:13 PM
Ok - here's the part 1 at last:
Updated May, 8, 2018
This pack includes 7 planes: the Ansaldo A1, Sikorsky S12, S12bis, S16-3, S16ser, Mosca MB and Mosca MBbis
Also included a special mod for reproducing the historical characteristics of rotary engines: no throttle, on some engine you can use the mix to indirectly modulate the rpm, as soon as you start the engine you go for the maximal power, the magneto switch is used to "blip" you can then get 0, 1/3, 2/3 or 3/3 of this maximal nominal power - in theory as when you are in flight you must take the inertia of the engine-propeller rotating unit into account. To slow your plane in flight (without "blipping", you raise your nose), and to increase speed, you duck. Remember landing was most often done by using progressively the blipping switch till cutting the engine completely in the last step of the landing approach. This mod also brings a solution to the overheating problem that has plagued ww1 aircraft in Il2.
Skis will appear on these planes when you choose a winter map.

Notes:
The Modact versions (4.12.2 and 4.10.1) can display the debugging info onscreen (it gives interesting info that helps understanding how these engines run) just replace the files in the RotaryMotor mod main folder by those in its subfolder "HUD info"

Warning
1) the AI does not (yet) fully understand how to take off with this rotary engines aircraft (except when they are on skis where the take off are fine!)- it knows however how to fly them .Another funny thing with this point: in HSFX5, these AI can take off with these aircraft even when they are on wheels and not only on skis.  I need help here as I do not know how to deal with AI behaviour


2) this mod modifies the behaviour of all aircraft defined as Rotary in their FM - except the AI take-off problem this will not cause trouble with other aircraft that have been defined as such in their FM  - Just take into account that some aircraft historically equipped with rotary engines are equpped with radial or even inline engines in the game (for instance most of the Nieuports) - I'll try at a later date to rewrite more historical FMs for these last planes.

3) the same FMs bring different behaviour between the versions of the game - this is especially striking with these planes - even between 4.12 and BAT . As a rule, the more advanced version of the game, the better behaviour.

air.ini additions:
Ansaldo_A1      air.Ansaldo_A1  NOINFO  r01  SUMMER
SikorskyS12    air.SikorskyS12  NOINFO  r01  SUMMER
SikorskyS12bis    air.SikorskyS12bis  NOINFO  r01  SUMMER
SikorskyS16_Ser    air.SikorskyS16_Ser  NOINFO  r01  SUMMER
SikorskyS16_3    air.SikorskyS16_3  NOINFO  r01  SUMMER
MoscaMB    air.MoscaMB  NOINFO  r01  SUMMER
MoscaMB_Bis    air.MoscaMB_Bis  NOINFO  r01  SUMMER

Download links (the gorgeous skins made for this plane by stiv_069 will be uploaded by him in a coming post - keep tuned for them)
1) for 4.12.2 with Modact 5.30 BUT without SAS_Engine_Mod
https://www.mediafire.com/file/dtczt772t4azgcc/KV%20Part%201%20for%204.12.2.SAS%205.30%20-%20v.1.0.7z
2) for 4.13.3 with Modact SAS 6.3 (or 4.13.1 with Freemodding Modact)
https://www.mediafire.com/file/vki7svg2ea49mwu/KV%20Part%201%20for%204.13.3%20SAS%206.3
3) for BAT #DOF3
https://www.mediafire.com/file/k1wg5650jb7595k/KV%20Part1%20for%20BAT%20%23DOF3%20v1.0.7z
4) for 4.10.1m with Modact SAS 3.06
https://www.mediafire.com/file/gk6t91jzypdvsee/KV%20part%201%20for%204.10.1m%20v1.0.7z
5) for HSFX 5.0, install the version for 4.10.1m with Modact SAS 3.06 as in 4) but replace the !MotorRotary sub-folder by this one: https://www.mediafire.com/file/2hoyrkga584n7zq/%21%20RotaryMotor%20for%20HSFX5.0.7z

Cockpit views have been corrected - Here're the fix for those who downloaded the pack before May 8th, 2018:
 https://www.mediafire.com/file/48np5ck907ti2zh/KV%20part1%20cockpit%20fix.7z

AutoDiffM for 4.10 and HSFX6
https://www.mediafire.com/file/wolt8agmajx19b1/AutoDiffFM%20for%20410%20and%20HSFX6.7z


As usual:
This package is freeware.
This software may be freely used, modified, copied and distributed with the following restrictions:
2) DO NOT place these files anywhere that requires a fee for downloading.
3) DO NOT place any of these files in any commercial package or any CD collection without the authors consent.
Theses files should not cause any problems with your computer, but we accept no responsibility if you think it does.
Thanks to Oleg Maddox and Qtim for creating Il2 and opening the gates to Mod creation, to Kumpel for his matrix tool, and thanks to SAS for enabling modders to share their knowledge on Il2 modding.

                                Create!
                                             Enjoy!
Title: Re: Orient is Red - Krarsnyi Vostok - Part 1 Ansaldo A1, Sikorsky S12, S12bis, S16-3 S16ser Moscam MB & MB bis
Post by: dona on May 06, 2018, 02:46:56 PM
Wonderful work!!!! Thank you for these.
Title: Re: Orient is Red - Krarsnyi Vostok - Part 1 Ansaldo A1, Sikorsky S12, S12bis, S16-3 S16ser Moscam MB & MB bis
Post by: Gubi on May 06, 2018, 04:21:34 PM
Bless you.

I am so tired tonight.  Will grab on the morrow.

Again...cheers and prost.
Title: Re: Orient is Red - Krarsnyi Vostok - Part 1 Ansaldo A1, Sikorsky S12, S12bis, S16-3 S16ser Moscam MB & MB bis
Post by: stiv_069 on May 06, 2018, 07:02:00 PM
skins https://yadi.sk/d/i6eyFtZU3VSzGu
(https://s17.postimg.cc/pu7vgimpb/05.05.2018_1-54-40.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/tql7ci7or/)

(https://s17.postimg.cc/5a31i3z9b/03.05.2018_15-56-58.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/j3re75ruj/)

(https://s17.postimg.cc/6p4m6uv7j/27.12.2017_20-22-59.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/vie67ie7v/)
Title: Re: Orient is Red - Krarsnyi Vostok - Part 1 Ansaldo A1, Sikorsky S12, S12bis, S16-3 S16ser Moscam MB & MB bis
Post by: David Prosser on May 06, 2018, 07:14:01 PM
Excellent news. Thanks for making these.
Title: Re: Orient is Red - Krarsnyi Vostok - Part 1 Ansaldo A1, Sikorsky S12, S12bis, S16-3 S16ser Moscam MB & MB bis
Post by: Alfie Noakes on May 07, 2018, 01:43:46 AM
+1
Marvelous collection of early a/c !
Superb skins from stiv_069  :-*
Loving the choice of machine guns  ;D
Many thanks to all !

Cheers

Alfie
Title: Re: Orient is Red - Krarsnyi Vostok - Part 1 Ansaldo A1, Sikorsky S12, S12bis, S16-3 S16ser Moscam MB & MB bis
Post by: Dreamk on May 07, 2018, 04:05:49 AM
Yes - I forgot to mention it - the guns selected in the QMB change accordingly in cockpit view :))
Title: Re: Orient is Red - Krarsnyi Vostok - Part 1 Ansaldo A1, Sikorsky S12, S12bis, S16-3 S16ser Moscam MB & MB bis
Post by: dona on May 07, 2018, 09:28:41 AM
Beautiful work!!!
Title: Re: Orient is Red - Krarsnyi Vostok - Part 1 Ansaldo A1, Sikorsky S12, S12bis, S16-3 S16ser Moscam MB & MB bis
Post by: Fresco23 on May 07, 2018, 01:11:49 PM
Beautiful!! Can’t wait for the 4.10.1 versions!! Thanks to everyone for this huge work!
Title: Re: Orient is Red - Krarsnyi Vostok - Part 1 v1.0 Ansaldo A1, Sikorsky S12, S12bis, S16-3 S16ser Moscam MB & MB bis
Post by: Dreamk on May 08, 2018, 09:33:09 AM
First post updated - includes link for the 4.10.1m version, fix for corrected cockpit views (the original links have also been updated with corrected versions) and choice of HUD info or "clean" screen.
Title: Re: Orient is Red - Krarsnyi Vostok - Part 1 v1.0 Ansaldo A1, Sikorsky S12, S12bis, S16-3 S16ser Moscam MB & MB bis
Post by: Fresco23 on May 08, 2018, 11:29:47 AM
Yay!!! Will grab them after work!
Title: Re: Orient is Red - Krarsnyi Vostok - Part 1 v1.0 Ansaldo A1, Sikorsky S12, S12bis, S16-3 S16ser Moscam MB & MB bis
Post by: Dreamk on May 08, 2018, 01:09:27 PM
BTW the cockpit instruments bitmaps have been reproduced from real historical surviving examples.
Title: Re: Orient is Red - Krarsnyi Vostok - Part 1 v1.0 Ansaldo A1, Sikorsky S12, S12bis, S16-3 S16ser Moscam MB & MB bis
Post by: Fresco23 on May 08, 2018, 04:23:18 PM
Installed successfully in DBW 1916! Flying well! Flying the s16, I just fought an eindecker to a standstill! He maintained a decisive advantage, but after I damaged him he withdrew.
Title: Re: Orient is Red - Krarsnyi Vostok - Part 1 v1.0 Ansaldo A1, Sikorsky S12, S12bis, S16-3 S16ser Moscam MB & MB bis
Post by: max_thehitman on May 09, 2018, 05:41:18 PM


SUPER PACK!  8) I love those classic airplanes!
Thank you so much!

Title: Re: Orient is Red - Krarsnyi Vostok - Part 1 v1.0 Ansaldo A1, Sikorsky S12, S12bis, S16-3 S16ser Moscam MB & MB bis
Post by: Alfie Noakes on May 10, 2018, 12:02:58 AM
Question for Dreamk......

(https://s31.postimg.cc/wrkfdkpyj/09.05.2018_22-19-09.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

Is this double rotary a bug or have I made a mess of my installation ?
I have version (3) DoF and version (4) 4.10

Cheers

Alfie
Title: Re: Orient is Red - Krarsnyi Vostok - Part 1 v1.0 Ansaldo A1, Sikorsky S12, S12bis, S16-3 S16ser Moscam MB & MB bis
Post by: Alfie Noakes on May 10, 2018, 12:25:29 AM
Question for stiv_069......

I was unaware of the Krarsnyl Vostok project and have been researching it.....

http://sites.bu.edu/revolutionaryrussia/files/2013/09/Krasnyi-Vostok.pdf

http://www.academia.edu/30930781/Making_Uzbekistan_Nation_Empire_and_Revolution_in_the_Early_USSR

Do you know of any books /pdf's that explains what role aircraft had in the expedition  (airwar, reconnaissance, propoganda  ?)

Preferably in English  :D

Cheers

Alfie
Title: Re: Orient is Red - Krarsnyi Vostok - Part 1 v1.0 Ansaldo A1, Sikorsky S12, S12bis, S16-3 S16ser Moscam MB & MB bis
Post by: Dreamk on May 10, 2018, 01:36:04 AM
The double rotary is a hier.him bug - I''ll correct it.

The books by Marat Khairulin Russian Aviation Colours 1909-1922 (T1 to 4)  have been translated in English and are available on Amazon but deal mainly with camouflage and markings of Russian Air forces the period.
Same for the booklets by the defunct Insignia Magazine on the various Baltic Air forces of the period.
Militaria Ucrainica series has also issued a book on the Ukrainian air forces of the period (under the title "heroes of the sky") but alsos till untranslated
The best book on the subject is sadly only in Russian - Kondratiev & Khairulin - Civil War Airforces, but I have seen an independent english translation of part of its text running through RCW forums. I''l see whether I hace still a  copy of it somewhere on my disks.
You ahve also a number of Polish books on teh subject of the early Polish air force(s).
However a lot of very good and exhaustive information can be gathered on the ww1 aerodrome forum (http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/) - on specific subjects - look for instance for "L.W.F. Model V Tractor info" and you'll get a very detailed description of the Czech legiosn air forces involvement in teh RCW and the Siberia campaign. And such....
Title: Re: Orient is Red - Krarsnyi Vostok - Part 1 v1.0 Ansaldo A1, Sikorsky S12, S12bis, S16-3 S16ser Moscam MB & MB bis
Post by: stiv_069 on May 10, 2018, 06:02:21 AM
Question for stiv_069......

I was unaware of the Krarsnyl Vostok project and have been researching it.....

http://sites.bu.edu/revolutionaryrussia/files/2013/09/Krasnyi-Vostok.pdf

http://www.academia.edu/30930781/Making_Uzbekistan_Nation_Empire_and_Revolution_in_the_Early_USSR

Do you know of any books /pdf's that explains what role aircraft had in the expedition  (airwar, reconnaissance, propoganda  ?)

Preferably in English  :D

Cheers

Alfie

Vanguard of 'socialist colonization'? The Krasnyi Vostok expedition
of 1920 - A typical non-scientific book. Until 1922 in Russia there was a civil war. For this reason, there were not any agitation units on their own. All of them went along with the Red Army. The same was in Turkestan.
Title: Re: Orient is Red - Krarsnyi Vostok - Part 1 v1.0 Ansaldo A1, Sikorsky S12, S12bis, S16-3 S16ser Moscam MB & MB bis
Post by: stiv_069 on May 10, 2018, 06:19:38 AM

(https://s9.postimg.cc/gowk4o4n3/a50.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

(https://s9.postimg.cc/5pbct4r3j/a53.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

(https://s9.postimg.cc/4gnh7h4a7/33335.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

(https://s9.postimg.cc/v2zxw1g2n/100_3862.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/xkbp3azyz/)

(https://s9.postimg.cc/57g7cyokf/100_3866.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/y9uhfsau3/)
Title: Re: Orient is Red - Krarsnyi Vostok - Part 1 v1.0 Ansaldo A1, Sikorsky S12, S12bis, S16-3 S16ser Moscam MB & MB bis
Post by: Alfie Noakes on May 10, 2018, 06:43:58 AM
Many thanks to you both for the info !

stiv_069........wow, what a stunning collection of books....last shot especially   :P

I too am a collector of books on all subjects....and I get shouted at by Mrs Noakes who thinks our house will collapse if I buy any more   o_O  :) ;D :D :D :D :D

Cheers

Alfie
Title: Re: Orient is Red - Krarsnyi Vostok - Part 1 v1.0 Ansaldo A1, Sikorsky S12, S12bis, S16-3 S16ser Moscam MB & MB bis
Post by: stiv_069 on May 10, 2018, 07:07:40 AM
this is only part of the books on this topic.
(https://s9.postimg.cc/p0wwjd1lr/100_3869.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/bwrc6o9jv/)
Title: Re: Orient is Red - Krarsnyi Vostok - Part 1 v1.0 Ansaldo A1, Sikorsky S12, S12bis, S16-3 S16ser Moscam MB & MB bis
Post by: Mixx on May 11, 2018, 12:17:09 PM
Fantastic work. Very beautiful planes!
Interesting airplane models. A big thanks for planes!
Special thanks for the skins!
Title: Re: Orient is Red - Krarsnyi Vostok - Part 1 v1.0 Ansaldo A1, Sikorsky S12, S12bis, S16-3 S16ser Moscam MB & MB bis
Post by: Hubberranz on May 12, 2018, 08:56:00 AM
Was looking forward longtime for these Sikorsky's; thanks a lot.  ;D

- a report back                tested S-12 only                   412,2 SAS 5,3 heavy on mods.

- had to rename Rotary file in     !      RotaryMotor for 4.12.2          to bypass conflicts with others ( Dr.I ? ).
- or otherwise I had an underpowered Rotary of old.

- S-12 working fine with a midair start.

- When tried to start the engine on ground or restart in midair had total crash of game to desktop; program "cease to work":
Code: [Select]
[1:09:25 PM] java.lang.NoSuchMethodError
[1:09:25 PM] at com.maddox.il2.objects.sounds.MotorSound.onEngineState(MotorSound.java:73)
[1:09:25 PM] at com.maddox.il2.fm.Motor.computeStage(Motor.java:1601)
[1:09:25 PM] at com.maddox.il2.fm.Motor.update(Motor.java:837)
[1:09:25 PM] at com.maddox.il2.fm.EnginesInterface.update(EnginesInterface.java:311)
[1:09:25 PM] at com.maddox.il2.fm.RealFlightModel.update(RealFlightModel.java:519)
[1:09:25 PM] at com.maddox.il2.fm.FlightModelMain.tick(FlightModelMain.java:1120)
[1:09:25 PM] at com.maddox.il2.engine.Interpolators.tick(Interpolators.java:222)
[1:09:25 PM] at com.maddox.il2.engine.Actor.interpolateTick(Actor.java:371)
[1:09:25 PM] at com.maddox.il2.engine.InterpolateAdapter.msgTimeOut(InterpolateAdapter.java:174)
[1:09:25 PM] at com.maddox.rts.MsgTimeOut.invokeListener(MsgTimeOut.java:73)
[1:09:25 PM] at com.maddox.rts.Message._send(Message.java:1217)
[1:09:25 PM] at com.maddox.rts.Message.sendToObject(Message.java:1191)
[1:09:25 PM] at com.maddox.rts.Message.sendTo(Message.java:1134)
[1:09:25 PM] at com.maddox.rts.Message.trySend(Message.java:1115)
[1:09:25 PM] at com.maddox.rts.Time.loopMessages(Time.java:252)
[1:09:25 PM] at com.maddox.rts.RTSConf.loopMsgs(RTSConf.java:101)
[1:09:25 PM] at com.maddox.il2.game.MainWin3D.loopApp(MainWin3D.java:131)
[1:09:25 PM] at com.maddox.il2.game.Main.exec(Main.java:422)
[1:09:25 PM] at com.maddox.il2.game.GameWin3D.main(GameWin3D.java:235)
( start the engine motor sound  java:73 ??? )
- ..I compared to BAT version: ..I replaced AF5F8A326C3FA53C and resolved the issue.
- all 3 x AF5F8A326C3FA53C files provided in 5,30 version cause such problem.
- have not tested in a pure 412 SAS5,30 without other mods. ( yet ).

  Solution for me was to import of AF5F8A326C3FA53C from the BAT version. 
- of course I have no more HUD special info for rotary engine as a result.


- minor issue : constant repeat of message Engine OFF which prevent other messages such as Chocks IN, Chocks Away.
                             
(https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/4a3f/6e6sgimog4mublv7g.jpg) (https://www.mediafire.com/view/?6e6sgimog4mublv)
- or simply must work with HUD messages OFF.

update: lost throttle power in other airplane ( Bf-109F4/Z ); have % moving but without power increasing; rotary was ON; I turned Rotary mod off at this stage. An SAS Modact 5,3 report.



Title: Re: Orient is Red - Krarsnyi Vostok - Part 1 v1.0 Ansaldo A1, Sikorsky S12, S12bis, S16-3 S16ser Moscam MB & MB bis
Post by: Dreamk on May 12, 2018, 11:34:46 AM
You must use the BAT version in BAT not the 5.30 - the files are different. look at 1st post
Title: Re: Orient is Red - Krarsnyi Vostok - Part 1 v1.0 Ansaldo A1, Sikorsky S12, S12bis, S16-3 S16ser Moscam MB & MB bis
Post by: Hubberranz on May 12, 2018, 07:19:33 PM
I use and tested 5.30 version; only file AF5F8A326C3FA53C from BAT as repair; but may be that does not do good for BF-109/ throttle power output.
Checking on original config.
update: Yep. Bf-109 is OK without this BAT file. So back to square one: "start engine S-12 and crash the game".

OK. Further update: I tried on clean install SAS 5.3 and no problem when starting engine.  :P

So there must be a mod somewhere in conflict. Will eventually find. "I'll be back".
Title: Re: Orient is Red - Krarsnyi Vostok - Part 1 v1.0 Ansaldo A1, Sikorsky S12, S12bis, S16-3 S16ser Moscam MB & MB bis
Post by: Hubberranz on May 12, 2018, 09:06:52 PM
SAS modact 5.30 no mods.

S-12 of 5.30 version.   Problem appears as soon as I install an "engine mod", any of those tested below.

Start engine of S-12 cause crash as stated when tried:

! ! SAS_Engine_2.8.1w_full_20171218_FullThrottleFlame
! ! SAS_Engine_2.8.4w_full_20180412_FullThrottleFlame
! ! SAS_Engine_2.8.5w_full_20180507_FullThrottleFlame

! ! SAS_Engine_2.8.5w_full_20180507                     <--- without ThrottleFlame ;  tested = same result.

! ! SAS_Engine_Mod_GuidedMissiles ( the associated file within each version of the above )
                            ( removal or absence of which had no effect on prob.)

! SAS Common Utils_v1,10 ( needed for engine mod to work )
! SAS Common Utils_v1,9   ( retro tested for good measure )

- stepping back from these files, S-12 start the engine works again ( in clean SAS 5.3 ).

Title: Re: Orient is Red - Krarsnyi Vostok - Part 1 v1.0 Ansaldo A1, Sikorsky S12, S12bis, S16-3 S16ser Moscam MB & MB bis
Post by: Dreamk on May 13, 2018, 12:00:45 AM
Of course, the engine mod is for jets and is incompatible with this mod. therefore, as I wrote the BAT version is to be installed only in the DOW folder and load before teh current files !!Batfiles and SS engine mod present there (do not cancel them as they add new sounds to the game, it's why a "jet dedicated" mod is present in BAT folder dedicated to ww1). In 5.30 you need simply to disable the SAS engine mod through JSGME when playing with ww1 aircraft.
Title: Re: Orient is Red - Krarsnyi Vostok - Part 1 v1.0 Ansaldo A1, Sikorsky S12, S12bis, S16-3 S16ser Moscam MB & MB bis
Post by: Hubberranz on May 13, 2018, 06:41:42 AM
Thank you for your answers and the excellent mods. Great job.  8)
Title: Re: Orient is Red - Krarsnyi Vostok - Part 1 v1.0 Ansaldo A1, Sikorsky S12, S12bis, S16-3 S16ser Moscam MB & MB bis
Post by: dsawan on May 13, 2018, 07:11:07 PM
tried in dbw 4.10 1916 and no work-. Also the difffm, where does that go in il2 46;which folder?
Title: Re: Orient is Red - Krarsnyi Vostok - Part 1 v1.0 Ansaldo A1, Sikorsky S12, S12bis, S16-3 S16ser Moscam MB & MB bis
Post by: dsawan on May 13, 2018, 08:02:41 PM
Never mind got it owrking thx.
Title: Re: Orient is Red - Krarsnyi Vostok - Part 1 v1.0 Ansaldo A1, Sikorsky S12, S12bis, S16-3 S16ser Moscam MB & MB bis
Post by: Dreamk on May 17, 2018, 12:34:50 PM
Version for HSFX5 uploaded in first post :))
Title: Re: Orient is Red - Krarsnyi Vostok - Part 1 v1.0 Ansaldo A1, Sikorsky S12, S12bis, S16-3 S16ser Moscam MB & MB bis
Post by: Dreamk on May 18, 2018, 05:13:15 AM
I forgot to mention it: the pulsator is fully functional on these planes. Most rotary engine equipped airplanes did noot possess a tachometer but the pilot could calculate the rpm by watching the pulsator which was also used as an indicator of regular lubrication: the formula number of seconds/ 50 pulses gave a number directly proportional to rev count.

The Pulsometer is connected to the oil supply line via a junction in the pipeline and in the event of the glass bulb breaking, can be turned off by way of the stop cock in the fitting below it.
There is an air space in the glass bulb above the static level of oil.
The oil pump is driven off the engine resulting in pressure pulses in the oil system.
These pressure pulses propagate through the system and make their way up through the oil in the lower part of the glass bulb or sight glass as it is called, and show themselves like a gentle burble or ripple of oil on the oil surface, thus indicating that the oil is flowing.
The oil level in the glass bulb is determined by the equalization of pressures in the system, so as the oil pressure varies in pulses, so too does the pulse in the glass bulb.
The oil pulses are quite minor and difficult to detect, barely moving the meniscus of the oil'no bubble, rather just a 1/16'' bump in the level every few seconds.
Engine rpm can be ascertained by counting the oil pulses.
For example if it took 68 seconds for 50 pulses on a 110 HP Le Rhone rotary engine, the rpm would be 1226.

The pulsator was also used as an indicator of regular lubrication, independently of the tachometer:
For instance the manual of the 110 hp LeRhone indicates:  71 pulse/s=1173 rpm; 69 pulses/s =1208 rpm; 68 pulses/s= 1226 rpm for a
Title: Re: Orient is Red - Krarsnyi Vostok - Part 1 v1.0 Ansaldo A1, Sikorsky S12, S12bis, S16-3 S16ser Moscam MB & MB bis
Post by: Spider16 on October 30, 2019, 06:30:45 AM
I downloaded and installed the BAT version because I am only using it - BAT 3.7.2 - and for some reason I have 60% CTD when loading. Thanks for any help.

greetings

Carlos
Title: Re: Orient is Red - Krarsnyi Vostok - Part 1 v1.0 Ansaldo A1, Sikorsky S12, S12bis, S16-3 S16ser Moscam MB & MB bis
Post by: SAS~Gerax on October 30, 2019, 10:25:40 AM
I have 60% CTD when loading. Thanks for any help.

LOG always is needed to provide help!

Read how to get the log here (https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,13457.0.html), and the instant log here (https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,19308.0.html).

Important: read here (https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php?topic=39780.0) which part(s) from the log to post
and how to post it. (code option!)

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Title: Re: Orient is Red - Krarsnyi Vostok - Part 1 v1.0 Ansaldo A1, Sikorsky S12, S12bis, S16-3 S16ser Moscam MB & MB bis
Post by: Alfie Noakes on October 31, 2019, 12:42:11 AM
A polite question for Dreamk.....

May I ask if there's been any progress on the remaining aircraft in this pack ?
ie Lebed_12
Lebed_12HS
Lebed_12Early
SPAD_A2
SPAD_A4
LWF_Tractor

Anade_Late

Stiv_069 apears to have completed the skins.....

https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,50404.156.html      #157 on

I'm particularly keen to fly the SPAD's   o_O

Many thanks for the previously released a/c

Ansaldo_A1
SikorskyS12
SikorskyS12bis
SikorskyS16_3
SikorskyS16_Ser
MoscaMB
MoscaMB_Bis

The Ansaldo is one of my favourite fighting machines  :P

Cheers

Alfie
Title: Re: Orient is Red - Krarsnyi Vostok - Part 1 v1.0 Ansaldo A1, Sikorsky S12, S12bis, S16-3 S16ser Moscam MB & MB bis
Post by: Spider16 on October 31, 2019, 04:57:53 AM
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[code0 java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: com.maddox.il2.objects.air.Ansaldo_A
[2019-10-31 10:51:04.581] dT:    0 at com.maddox.rts.LDR.loadClass(LDR.java:27)
[2019-10-31 10:51:04.581] dT:    0 at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)
[2019-10-31 10:51:04.581] dT:    0 at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClassInternal(Unknown Source)
[2019-10-31 10:51:04.581] dT:    0 at java.lang.Class.forName0(Native Method)
[2019-10-31 10:51:04.581] dT:    0 at java.lang.Class.forName(Unknown Source)
[2019-10-31 10:51:04.581] dT:    0 at com.maddox.rts.Spawn.get(Spawn.java:39)
[2019-10-31 10:51:04.581] dT:    0 at com.maddox.rts.Spawn.get(Spawn.java:28)
[2019-10-31 10:51:04.581] dT:    0 at com.maddox.il2.game.Main.preloadAirClasses(Main.java:214)
[2019-10-31 10:51:04.581] dT:    0 at com.maddox.il2.game.Main3D.beginApp(Main3D.java:1540)
[2019-10-31 10:51:04.581] dT:    0 at com.maddox.il2.game.Main3D.beginApp(Main3D.java:1475)
[2019-10-31 10:51:04.581] dT:    0 at com.maddox.il2.game.MainWin3D.beginApp(MainWin3D.java:212)
[2019-10-31 10:51:04.581] dT:    0 at com.maddox.il2.game.Main.exec(Main.java:405)
[2019-10-31 10:51:04.581] dT:    0 at com.maddox.il2.game.GameWin3D.main(GameWin3D.java:235)
[2019-10-31 10:51:05.431] dT:    0 com.maddox.il2.objects.air.Ansaldo_A
[2019-10-31 10:51:05.431] dT:    0 java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: com.maddox.il2.objects.air.Ansaldo_A
[2019-10-31 10:51:05.431] dT:    0 at com.maddox.rts.LDR.loadClass(LDR.java:27)
[2019-10-31 10:51:05.431] dT:    0 at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)
[2019-10-31 10:51:05.432] dT:    0 at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClassInternal(Unknown Source)
[2019-10-31 10:51:05.432] dT:    0 at java.lang.Class.forName0(Native Method)
[2019-10-31 10:51:05.432] dT:    0 at java.lang.Class.forName(Unknown Source)
[2019-10-31 10:51:05.432] dT:    0 at com.maddox.il2.ai.AirportCarrier.clsBigArrestorPlane(AirportCarrier.java:538)
[2019-10-31 10:51:05.432] dT:    0 at com.maddox.il2.ai.AirportCarrier.isPlaneContainsArrestor(AirportCarrier.java:517)
[2019-10-31 10:51:05.432] dT:    0 at com.maddox.il2.gui.GUIQuick.fillArrayPlanes(GUIQuick.java:2455)
[2019-10-31 10:51:05.432] dT:    0 at com.maddox.il2.gui.GUIQuick.<init>(GUIQuick.java:3518)
[2019-10-31 10:51:05.432] dT:    0 at com.maddox.il2.gui.GUI.create(GUI.java:160)
[2019-10-31 10:51:05.432] dT:    0 at com.maddox.il2.game.Main3D.beginApp(Main3D.java:1779)
[2019-10-31 10:51:05.432] dT:    0 at com.maddox.il2.game.Main3D.beginApp(Main3D.java:1475)
[2019-10-31 10:51:05.432] dT:    0 at com.maddox.il2.game.MainWin3D.beginApp(MainWin3D.java:212)
[2019-10-31 10:51:05.432] dT:    0 at com.maddox.il2.game.Main.exec(Main.java:405)
[2019-10-31 10:51:05.432] dT:    0 at com.maddox.il2.game.GameWin3D.main(GameWin3D.java:235)
[2019-10-31 10:51:05.506] dT:    0 Main begin: PlMisAir(GUIQuick): class 'air.Ansaldo_A' not found
[2019-10-31 10:51:05.506] dT:    0 java.lang.RuntimeException: PlMisAir(GUIQuick): class 'air.Ansaldo_A' not found
[2019-10-31 10:51:05.506] dT:    0 at com.maddox.il2.gui.GUIQuick.fillArrayPlanes(GUIQuick.java:2447)
[2019-10-31 10:51:05.506] dT:    0 at com.maddox.il2.gui.GUIQuick.<init>(GUIQuick.java:3518)
[2019-10-31 10:51:05.506] dT:    0 at com.maddox.il2.gui.GUI.create(GUI.java:160)
[2019-10-31 10:51:05.506] dT:    0 at com.maddox.il2.game.Main3D.beginApp(Main3D.java:1779)
[2019-10-31 10:51:05.506] dT:    0 at com.maddox.il2.game.Main3D.beginApp(Main3D.java:1475)
[2019-10-31 10:51:05.506] dT:    0 at com.maddox.il2.game.MainWin3D.beginApp(MainWin3D.java:212)
[2019-10-31 10:51:05.506] dT:    0 at com.maddox.il2.game.Main.exec(Main.java:405)
[2019-10-31 10:51:05.506] dT:    0 at com.maddox.il2.game.GameWin3D.main(GameWin3D.java:235)

[Oct 31, 2019 10:51:05 AM] -------------- END log session -------------
]

I hope I have understood the information to pass the log file and that it is useful and correct.

Greetings

  Carlos
Title: Re: Orient is Red - Krarsnyi Vostok - Part 1 v1.0 Ansaldo A1, Sikorsky S12, S12bis, S16-3 S16ser Moscam MB & MB bis
Post by: Mission_bug on October 31, 2019, 01:05:31 PM
The log seems to indicate the game cannot fine the Ansaldo. ;)

'class 'air.Ansaldo_A'

You might have missed the air entry or the class could be missing not sure, sorry.

Wishing you all the very best, Pete. ;D
Title: Re: Orient is Red - Krarsnyi Vostok - Part 1 v1.0 Ansaldo A1, Sikorsky S12, S12bis, S16-3 S16ser Moscam MB & MB bis
Post by: Spider16 on November 01, 2019, 04:20:53 AM
Thanks for your attention Mission Bug, but I downloaded and installed all the information in the first post and the individual Air.Ini data from all models in the pack - including Ansaldo_A1 - similarly in the first post, a A different but existing way in other posts of not embedding Air.Ini lines into the pack itself. For this reason I find this 'drop condition' at 60% load strange.

Grettings

Carlos
Title: Re: Orient is Red - Krarsnyi Vostok - Part 1 v1.0 Ansaldo A1, Sikorsky S12, S12bis, S16-3 S16ser Moscam MB & MB bis
Post by: Nero on April 03, 2020, 06:28:09 PM
istalled the bat version for dof in bat 3.8.2 and have the engine off hud problem, and another thing, with the rotary engine mod installed i can fly only the magneto planes, the others simply go to slow and loose height until crash, without the engine  mod i cant fly this mod's planes, only the ansaldo because have throttle. donno why


EDIT: CHANGING THE AERO ROTARY ENGINE FILES IN THE FOLDER ALL THE PLANES WORK NOW. I USE BAT MOD 3.8.2, DOF, BUT WITH THE BAT VERSION OF THE ENGINE MOD I HAD THESE PROBLEMS SO I TRIED TO
 PUT THE 4.12.2 SAS VERSION, JUST FOR TRY SINCE BAT HAVE THE SAS ENGINE IF I REMEMBER GOOD, AND IT WORKED. NOW ALL THE PLANES WORK, BUT THOSE WITHOUT THROTTLE, THE MOD S PLANES ASIDE WITG THE FOKKERS E3 AND DR1 AND D6, THE SOPWITH CAMEL AND OTHERS WORK BUT CONTINUE TO HAVE THE HUD PROBLEMS WITH THE MESSAGE ENGINE OFF. I CAN'T REALIZE WHAT S THE PROBLEM. BUT WITH THE SAS VERSION OF THE ENGINE MOD SEEMS THEY WORK. 🙂
Title: Re: Orient is Red - Krarsnyi Vostok - Part 1 v1.0 Ansaldo A1, Sikorsky S12, S12bis, S16-3 S16ser Moscam MB & MB bis
Post by: Alfie Noakes on July 19, 2020, 12:05:38 AM
Can confirm  :(

The Sikorsky variants + Moscas have no throttle control and cannot take off.

(https://i.postimg.cc/CKBckNBn/2020-07-19-05-42-36.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

(https://i.postimg.cc/rpBQJrxn/2020-07-19-05-45-08.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

Airstart and they glide to a gentle crash

The DOF !!! AeroRotaryMotor mod renders all another aircraft throttles inoperative  :-X

Would it be possible to set up basic throttles for the Sikorskys & Moscas ?

Cheers

Alfie
Title: Re: Orient is Red - Krarsnyi Vostok - Part 1 v1.0 Ansaldo A1, Sikorsky S12, S12bis, S16-3 S16ser Moscam MB & MB bis
Post by: Vampire_pilot on July 19, 2020, 03:57:01 AM
this is not fully compatible with BAT afaik.
Title: Re: Orient is Red - Krarsnyi Vostok - Part 1 v1.0 Ansaldo A1, Sikorsky S12, S12bis, S16-3 S16ser Moscam MB & MB bis
Post by: Nero on July 19, 2020, 06:11:27 PM
Yes confirm. Alfie explained perfectly what I wanted to say. (my English sorry). If they had throttle or at least the same rotary system of the fokkers I guess they'll work. Only the Ansaldo work fine, and I kept it.