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Re: BF-109's adjustable tailplane, + some historical & "what-if" loadouts
« Reply #48 on: August 14, 2011, 03:52:01 AM »

Gunpods have to be riveted to the sheathing and construction of the plane, so, I think, it was not so easy to fit and remove in the field. I believe, it was never removed, when purposely installed.

Installation of the underwing gun pods was a simple task that could be quickly performed by the unit's armourers, and imposed a reduction of speed of only 8 km/h (5 mph). [Source: Radinger, Willy and Wolgang Otto. Messerschmitt Bf 109 F-K Development, Testing, Production.]

I wouldn't call it so simple. But people tends to consider job simple & easy, if someone else supposed to do it  8)
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Re: BF-109's adjustable tailplane, + some historical gun loadouts
« Reply #49 on: August 17, 2011, 10:27:04 AM »

I believe, there have been experiments or research, at least. And, at least, one simple mod should reflect it.

I don't think that's the case with many of the options you've chosen here, and many of the options already in-game. The nazis were fanatical about super weapons and future designs. They put everything down on paper at some point. There were written recommendations for German citizens to have sex in graveyards to increase the aryan potential in their unborn children. Hitler was quite insane. There was also much occult involved in their fanaticism. Just because they wrote down an idea to put a Mk103 in a Bf109 doesn't mean it ever could have, would have, or should have been done.

If it's only on paper you need to take it as brain storming. If it makes it to actual development, that's a step in the right direction. However many things "in development" blew up or were nonfunctional. If they actually got to testing that was 1 step better, but often here we go back to blowing up or causing catastrophic damage when fired (WGr21 tube in the nose of a Me410, recoil-less large diameter guns on the belly of Do217s, etc). There are many reasons NOT to include these paper designs. It gets more into the fantasy world that Hitler lived in rather than the real world. Too dungeons and dragons for my tastes.

I'm all for a what-if, if the option is plausible or semi-realistic. The ground-attack 190D for example. You can see I'm not against what-ifs totally... I just dislike the what-ifs that are proven inaccurate or were tested and rejected. To me a what-if is about the potential of what could have happened had the war continued, rather than something that didn't work so it was axed. I mention this only so you can see where I'm coming from on the subject.

Actually, it can be separated. Leave just BF109_tailplane folder in mod install, that's it.

Sweet!
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Re: BF-109's adjustable tailplane, + some historical & "what-if" loadouts
« Reply #50 on: September 22, 2011, 10:25:05 AM »

Gunpods have to be riveted to the sheathing and construction of the plane, so, I think, it was not so easy to fit and remove in the field. I believe, it was never removed, when purposely installed.

Installation of the underwing gun pods was a simple task that could be quickly performed by the unit's armourers, and imposed a reduction of speed of only 8 km/h (5 mph). [Source: Radinger, Willy and Wolgang Otto. Messerschmitt Bf 109 F-K Development, Testing, Production.]

I wouldn't call it so simple. But people tends to consider job simple & easy, if someone else supposed to do it  8)

Of course, it's not a "one-finger-touch-work" :)



"Hauptmann Jürgen Harder, Gruppenkommandeur of I./JG 53, checks to see how work is progressing on his Bf 109G-6 "gunboat"[note the port underwing cannon gondola lying on the ground at front right]"
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Re: BF-109's adjustable tailplane, + some historical & "what-if" loadouts
« Reply #51 on: September 23, 2011, 02:49:24 PM »

Yeah, he is probably thinking: "Why is it taking so long? I've already did half of the work - issued an order"  8)

Actually, I'm surprised, as these "grease monkeys" doing such job right in the mud, not in some workshop. But, proximity of frontline can make to change standarts.
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Re: BF-109's adjustable tailplane, + some historical & "what-if" loadouts
« Reply #52 on: April 17, 2013, 09:55:26 AM »

Hi, has anyone got this working with DBW1.71?  I know the icon for the post signifies that this is meant for 4.10, but some 109's disappear from the loading screen if I use this mod...
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Re: BF-109's adjustable tailplane, + some historical & "what-if" loadouts
« Reply #53 on: August 17, 2014, 08:03:21 PM »

Ohhhh noooo, the  link is dead already, Re-upload thanks
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Re: BF-109's adjustable tailplane, + some historical & "what-if" loadouts
« Reply #54 on: August 18, 2014, 12:53:19 AM »

please give us new link, the old ones are dead :(
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Re: BF-109's adjustable tailplane, + some historical & "what-if" loadouts
« Reply #55 on: August 18, 2014, 04:46:54 AM »

reuploads attached!  ;)

sadly I do not have the 109 Waffe 410 file.  :(
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Re: BF-109's adjustable tailplane, + some historical & "what-if" loadouts
« Reply #56 on: August 18, 2014, 06:36:40 AM »

The Ultimate 109 mod includes the adjustable tailplanes ;)
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Re: BF-109's adjustable tailplane, + some historical & "what-if" loadouts
« Reply #57 on: August 19, 2014, 12:18:22 AM »

thx for the new links!
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« Reply #59 on: August 19, 2014, 10:18:51 PM »

Great, many thanks for the link Shido!  :)
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