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Ta183Huckebein

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Re: My First Book.
« Reply #36 on: May 05, 2016, 08:56:00 AM »

Hey PvF.

Yeah, the world of Alt Hist. is kind of a flammable one.

Here's one "Nazis win WWII" scenario that I had come up with for a campaign project a while ago (I might actually try to finish it now...)

Events go as usual up until the end of the Battle of France (exceptions: Stukas are a smaller force, Do-19s have been built as a strategic bomber force, although that force is also somewhat small). This is where everything changes. Instead of letting the soldiers at Dunkirk escape, Hitler, in a moment of heartlessness, informs the Heer to annihilate the trapped forces. This is done in view of the approaching boats trying to save the soldiers. The same boats are also attacked, and massive casualties are taken.

Meanwhile in Germany (earlyish 1940), Hitler is shown a demonstration of a prototype for the He-280 jet aircraft. Hitler is won over by the pitch that it can function as a strike fighter, and he orders it into limited production following a few further tests.

The Battle of Britain takes place, and initially goes the same way it had before, only this time the Luftwaffe field commanders convince Goering and Hitler to keep assaulting the RAF bases and radar stations for a little longer. The RAF, no longer freed up by the choice to switch the attacks to terror bombing London, begins to take heavy losses as overworked crews can not keep up with the weight of German attack. And then, to the shock and horror of the RAF high command, He-280 jets enter the scene (late 1940, early 41). These aircraft are easily able to outmatch the Spitfire Mk.I and Mk.IIs that face them, and begin making high speed hit-and-run attacks on the home islands. One such attack is an assassination of Winston Churchill. Despite the best efforts of the RAF and flak, Churchill is killed as he is moving between bunkers, although the Luftwaffe lost most of the jets sent on the mission.  Britain is demoralized, and with rumors of invasion on the streets, "Keep Calm and Carry On" is beginning to be discarded.

Eventually, Operation Sealion is undertaken, with the RAF, Home army, and Home fleet a battered shell of their former glory after over a year of bombardment by the Luftwaffe. The fighting is difficult, but eventually the Heer takes London (Sept/Oct 1941). A puppet government is put in place, and the Germans switch to a friendlier approach to dealing with the captured populace, choosing to assassinate enemies of the Reich and Jews "in the shadows," as it were.

The Attack on Pearl Harbor takes place, and Hitler, once again (he's doing this alot here), listens to saner minds on the subject and doesn't declare war on the USA. Now he has a choice: What to do with the Soviet Union? The Soviets, with the wool still somewhat pulled over their eyes, are not ready for war at all, and with a recent wave of Stalin's infamous purges, the Red Army is weaker than ever. He instead focuses more attention on British outposts that are now isolated after the fall of Great Britain. Slowly but surely they all fall, with Malta falling last in late 1943/early 1944. Rommel, with a properly equipped Afrika Korps, steamrolls Monty's Desert Rats all the way to the Suez Canal, and a final stand is made. Losses are heavy on all sides, with the casualties including Montgomery himself. The shattered remains of the "Desert Rats" surrender. Rommel goes on to conquer as far as Iran. In view of approaching German conquests, Turkey throws in her lot with the Axis.

Russia is once again in Hitler's sights (mid 1943-early 1944). The USSR has progressed at a glacial pace, whereas Germany, finally making wise decisions, has a largely Jet-equipped Luftwaffe, as well as Panther and Tiger tanks (designs motivated by "observers" in the Soviet Union seeing T-34s). Operation Himmelfallen (translates to Skyfall, I hope....) is planned. The attack begins with specially designed Ar-234s coming in at 40,000 ft and dropping SS commandos into Moscow, with the intent of assassinating the Russian Politburo, and Stalin himself (led by Otto Skorzeny himself). At the same time, Luftwaffe units, led by Ar-234 and Do-335 attackers, annihilates the Soviet front line units, and a policy of "scorched earth" is taken out, using jellied gasoline bombs and a new weapon developed: the Fuel Air bomb. The objective of these missions was to destroy everything as  far in as the Luftwaffe could reach. It largely works, and the Soviet army is left reeling from the blow. Add to this that the assassination attempts in Moscow were successful, and the USSR is in disarray. A few Soviet Marshalls, seeing an opportunity, reach out to Hitler, asking him to back them in an attempt to take over what little remains of  the Soviet Union at that point (here, they actually reach Moscow, but with the use of Helicopters like the Fa-223, the over-extension is less of an issue). Hitler accepts, seeing the value of having a vassal, at least for the time being. The Nazi backed Russian Liberation Army begins seeding propaganda among the remaining Red Army units, telling them of hope and better treatment under White Russian rule. This works miracles, and by the end of 1944, most of the Red Army has defected, with the last hardliners camping out in the Urals. The Soviet Union is functionally no more, under dual Nazi German/White Russian control for now.

Hitler surveys all that he rules. The USA remains untouched, having defeated Japan by mid-1944. The USA doesn't want war having lost millions of soldiers in the island hopping campaign. The USA and Nazi Germany make a trade pact, seeing that war would not be beneficial for either side.

Hitler now largely focuses on other goals. Jews are exterminated in Nazi territory, and Hitler slowly begins to disable his significantly weaker White Russian ally in order to have total control of the resource-rich Russian lands. The USA sees this happening, with calls to action being raised to stop them, but nothing can be done. The exposure of the Holocaust is greatly detrimental to US/German relations, but nothing really can be done. This does have one effect, however: A cold war settles between the Germans and the USA (late 40s/early 50s). (A Cold war very similar to the one between the USA and USSR, with US Navy ships tap-dancing with Nazi U-Boats, close encounters with Nazi Patrol aircraft shadowing USA Carriers, and a rocketry race that ends with Nazi Germany reaching the Moon first (mid 60s). Additionally, the Nazi development of A-9/A-10 and A-11 ICBMs, as well as a finally explored Silbervogel project means that Nazi Germany now has the upper hand. The USA lives in fear of obliteration by Nazi Germany. Sure, we still develop the bomb first, but we have no means of delivering it that could get through Nazi defenses (since SAMs like the Wasserfall and Rheintocher have been in service since 1944, with typical advancements occurring, and the Luftwaffe employing supersonic missile-armed interceptors since about 1946/1947).

Hitler dies in 1975 at the age of 86, and a power struggle takes place. Much like the Soviet Union, the Nazi empire fractures, as different factions gain control over certain areas. By 1980, the former German empire is no longer the massive threat it once was, with wishes for freedom and democracy rising up. By the early 2000s, few Nazi governments exist, and the world is yet on the long road to healing necessary after 36 years of Nazi rule. The scar on the people of Europe, Africa, and Asia will remain for a long time.

(Note, this is just a short idea, and it is nowhere near complete. This is just a basis I used, and it might give PvF a few ideas)
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Re: My First Book.
« Reply #37 on: May 05, 2016, 10:11:13 AM »

Hi, Ta183Huckebein,
will be Il-2 Shturmovik game created under your scenario ?  :P
If not, I vote against it !  :P
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Re: My First Book.
« Reply #38 on: May 05, 2016, 11:16:23 AM »

Don't be discouraged OP! I think posters here are excited by the idea, that is why there is so much input and discussion in this thread.
I think you have a concise plot outline to flesh out in Ta183Huckebein's excellent hypothesis!

I agree with other poster here that you need to give the work some verisimilitude with some early background scenarios.

Even going back as far as 1937.

If the pro-Nazi Edward Vlll had not abdicated, Chamberlain had remained PM, or Hastings as already stated by a previous poster, then perhaps England would have listened to Hitler's 'last appeal to reason' and sued for peace with the promise of retaining her Empire.
Even if the USA had declared war on Germany, without British airbases it would of been nigh impossible to prosecute the war in Europe.
So many 'what ifs' in those early tumultuous days.

If the panzers, already short on fuel, spares, and ammo and with exhausted troops, had rolled over the remaining B.E.F. and French troops at Dunkirk, they were then so weakened as to be vulnerable to attack from extensive forces to the south.

From what I have read and researched, if 'Seelowe' had gone ahead, it would have been a disaster for the Germans, ill equipped as they were for an invasion. Imagine the conditions of the first wave, in unseaworthy barges, carrying 12,000 horses, harried by the RN at night when the LW would have been ineffective.

Then on the other hand, if the LW had a strategic bomber force rather than tactical, what then?
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Re: My First Book.
« Reply #39 on: May 05, 2016, 12:14:55 PM »

On my side i prefer the alternat history version of the men in high castel.  Germany and japon win the war , invaded  america sharing control of usa spliting it in two part with a neutral zone in the middle , resistance rising , can't wait to see what will apen in the second season 😊  Sorry ,i'm not really a fan of nuke solution loll
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Re: My First Book.
« Reply #40 on: May 05, 2016, 02:16:44 PM »

"Il-2 is definitive. Reality is frequently inaccurate." Let's take the game serious. Anyone wanting to test his or her alternate history ideas can properly do it in Hearts of Iron. I'm not kidding, that is a very complex economical, military, and political simulation for the years 1936-1948.
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Re: My First Book.
« Reply #41 on: May 05, 2016, 02:29:19 PM »

If the war went on past 45?
I can tell you the B-32 would have most likely entered mass production and be sent to Europe as a replacement for the B-17s, and would probably have at least some of its overheating issues solved in subsequent versions.
The B-24N would have gone past prototype stage and been delivered to combat units.
The PBM-5a would have entered mass production for the Navy, but would be delivered too late for the war and most would likely be scrapped.
The entire order of 8 JRM Mars would have been completed.
Martin might have had time to work on their XB-33A Super Marauder, which was nowhere near finished by the time the Army ordered the company to focus on B-29 production.

Of course, that's just what I think would've happened
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Re: My First Book.
« Reply #42 on: May 05, 2016, 03:48:17 PM »

Just a hint to topic starter.
Stalin's death in 1945 would not result in revolution as there is neither driving forces (opposition), nor motives for population to revolt. There are no political parties in USSR at that time as well, just one ruling organisation (VKPb, KPSS later) managing everything in the country. If Stalin dies before end of WWII, his successor will be focused on completing the war, not on internal purges (as happens in real history in 1953-1955).
Yet there is another option to study. USSR has tried to reach Germany through intermediaries in 1941-1942 to negotiate a truce - yes, in real history.  Let's say that Berlin agrees and Eastern campaign is over not later end 1942. USSR loses part of territory but retains independence subject to certain terms including military and cargo transit through its territory. Now Axis powers have land bridge between Europe and Far East.
And so on...  8)

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Re: My First Book.
« Reply #43 on: May 06, 2016, 12:05:23 AM »

P51vFw190, please excuse my rather over enthusiastic post........ :-[
I think the main prerequisite for a SAS1946 member is a VIVID & FEBRILE imagination  :D
Good luck with the book !

Cheers

Alfie
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Re: My First Book.
« Reply #44 on: May 06, 2016, 01:36:35 AM »

James please don't be discouraged at all! It is your book and you should carry on. As a work of fiction you are totally allowed to create any scenario you like just like in our beloved IL-2!. If people don't wish to engage, that is their choice. Remember it is far easier to be critical of something than to have the courage to create (as I am sure many of our modders, skinners, map makers and campaign creators will testify).

My advice would be to write as much of story elements as you can. Dump it all down, enjoy the process and see where the narrative takes you. Worry about the meshing and shaping of reality later. I am sure someone once said "never let the truth get in the way of a good story" and I agree with that wholeheartedly.

So come on - your audience is waiting. :) :)

Good luck.
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Re: My First Book.
« Reply #45 on: May 06, 2016, 06:44:11 AM »

Thank you Dark.
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Re: My First Book.
« Reply #46 on: May 06, 2016, 02:02:31 PM »

The only believable scenario to make the Germans fight on is a attack on Russia done by the Pacific fleet and Marines after Japanese surrendered somewhere in Asia and Siberia. Making the Russians to stop advancing and deploy troops to stop USA

But that require a earlier surrender of Japan
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Re: My First Book.
« Reply #47 on: May 07, 2016, 08:32:25 AM »

USSR has tried to reach Germany through intermediaries in 1941-1942 to negotiate a truce - yes, in real history.
These facts are not supported by original documents, only journalistic inventions  ;)
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