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Airbourne

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Bumpy airfields
« on: January 30, 2016, 06:19:50 AM »

I have noticed that some airfields are bumpy like the normal ground. This makes taking off and landing virtually impossible and severely interferes with the enjoyment of those maps. This seems to apply to Oknevas's Estonia and to Uzin's maps (except Poland '44). It may apply to others but I have not searched further. From what I have read the problem seems to arise from using Zuti's friction mod in the map for the airfields instead of airfield plates. In another thread,( http://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,46011.0.html,) Uzin suggests doing your own repairs by putting in your own plates which is apparently now much easier than it used to be. The problem is that to repair all the airfields on the affected maps is a huge job - you are talking 150 to 200 airfields I would guess. In his Belarus download Uzin includes two versions of Zuti's mod and I have tried putting them in CUP but they just cause a crash. Does anyone have an answer to this problem? Can the Zuti mod be put into CUP in some form or is there some other way to get round this problem short of a major airfield plate operation?
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Re: Bumpy airfields
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2016, 09:56:33 AM »

Admin edit: No Fullquotes, please!
Btw, that Estonia comes from me, nevertheless, its ascribing to the master Oknevas by C.U.P. creators is great honour to me, lol.  ;)
The pasting of BlankFieldPlates over single AF is a matter of a while, only about 5  to 6 plates are necessary. Before some time I made it for myself , if anybody wants , the variant of Estonia BFP map is here:

http://www.mediafire.com/download/o68c49c8whj6c1w/Estonia_BFP.7z

I did not released it before, since I considered the map to be worthy to remake according to Cyberolas style.The same concers the other maps, their rework is the matter of free time, and there is a huge task - Yugoslavia map.
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Re: Bumpy airfields
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2016, 10:53:00 AM »

Thank you, Uzin. I have downloaded your revised Estonia. I wondered why a map by Oknevas had appeared which I had never seen before and I knew you had made an Estonia map: the mystery is explained. I am still hoping someone will come up with the easy solution for which I am hoping. Otherwise I will have to put in some time adding plates because your maps cover a crucial part of the eastern front and I use them a lot. I may just change a selection of the airfields.
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Re: Bumpy airfields
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2016, 12:29:28 PM »

I think that BlanFieldPlates method is the simplest way, since it is based on the presence of only new objects, while Zuti's friction mod might collide with other mods.
Below are some pictures of BFP method as seen in MapBuiulder (aka unlocked FMB), from left to right:
Estonia Parnu AF, Poland 1944 Demblin AF and Poland 1945w Demblin:



The use of BMP method is so simple as described here at SAS by tbauchot:

http://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,43134.0.html

N.B.:
The absence of BFP on Poland 1939 map is another great point to be solved at its reconstruction. Maybe in some future, or anybody willing to do it ?


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Re: Bumpy airfields
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2016, 03:39:44 PM »

I used the tbauchot method that Uzin points out when I built the Minsk to Moscow campaign. As he says it is quick and each to do. For that method you do not need the unlocked FMB.
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Re: Bumpy airfields
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2016, 04:43:05 AM »

Thanks to you all for your advice. It looks like tbauchot plates are the way ahead. I will try them out and report back.

Edit; I have problems. I have put this mod in #WAW. But then in full mission builder I have been looking in objects/plates and I cannot find the visible blank plates. I can't find them anywhere else either. What I do find in FMB objects are two large green plates 3795 and 3796 'blank field plate' and 'airplate' respectively. These seem to do the job but they are visible in an aggressive green in the game itself when you fly a mission. Are they part of this mod or are they something else? I had rather assumed that the plates would be visible in FMB but not in the game itself.

When I put the tbauchot mod in my mapmaker installation nothing shows up at all in the FMB. The Blank Plates are the usual small ones. My mapmaker is 4.10 so that could be the problem I suppose, but it has worked fine to alter another map for CUP. Also I am suspicious that the mod does not show up in my CUP either so far as I can see. Plainly the mod works, because it worked for you guys, and I am doing something wrong as usual! Anybody able to help me?
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Re: Bumpy airfields
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2016, 01:44:17 PM »

Try pasting this into a mission that uses the Belarus map:

[Buildings]
  0_bld Plate$BlankFieldPlate 1 120008.27 139770.88 690.00
  1_bld Plate$BlankFieldPlate 1 119823.13 139665.93 690.00
  2_bld Plate$BlankFieldPlate 1 119533.38 139502.08 690.00
  3_bld Plate$BlankFieldPlate 1 119262.60 139348.58 690.00
  4_bld Plate$BlankFieldPlate 1 118995.27 139191.63 690.00
  5_bld Plate$BlankFieldPlate 1 118771.04 139058.81 690.00
  6_bld Plate$BlankFieldPlate 1 118510.12 138912.00 690.00

You should see the airfield near Kavarty (east of Bialistock) covered with the plates.
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Re: Bumpy airfields
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2016, 02:26:34 PM »

@Airbourne.

In MapBuilder (aka unlocked RMB) you must have file
 .../MODS/STD/3do/airfield/BlankFieldPlate/skin10.tga
FULL of AGGRESIVE GREEN,

while in the game, that file of the same name at the same pathway must be EMPTY, TRANSPARENT.
Make it sure by GIMP.

That is the whole trick.
(It took me some while to understand this, I did not believed it is so simple, lol.) ;)

The position of BlankFieldPlates on map saves itself in actors.static, when saving the modification of the map you done in MapBuilder.
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Re: Bumpy airfields
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2016, 02:45:08 PM »

I have tried your idea, vonofterdingen, and I get the predicted result but it still has the aggressive green. The way to deal with this is surely what Uzin says. I have not yet tried out his formula but it looks very right to me. Meanwhile I have been doing a bit of research of my own and I have found in FMB under 'objects' and in the plates section numbers 4144 and 4145 (in my CUP installation but perhaps not quite the same numbers for everyone) are complete grass airstrips for summer and winter. You put in just one object and get a whole airstrip ready to go, and in realistic dry earth or snow colours. I don't know if you can put this on a map in unlocked version but at least it makes mission building very easy.
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Re: Bumpy airfields
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2016, 03:48:59 AM »

I have come back to this problem after an interruption by RL because I would like to be able to add airfield plates on a permanent basis. I am having difficulty with the tbauchot mod which I can only get to show at all in a 4.10 mapmaker installation where it only shows plates in the Kronstadt folder. There is nothing in 'blank plates' or 'fieldplate' except the familiar stock plates. I can use Kronstadt 17 to cover airfields and I have put in the relevant clear skin1o.tga and that is fine so far as it goes. The problem is that it would be much better to use Uzin's method so that the job is done with one method instead of two. Also I believe that CUP already provides the clear skin file needed for his method because I don't see it in #WAW whereas you have to put one in for my method in its own 3do folder.

Either I am doing something wrong with the tbauchot mod or its own file tree is wrong. Any ideas?
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Re: Bumpy airfields
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2016, 06:43:32 AM »

@Airbourne:
 I am not sure if I understand your troubles right, so I try to help:

In MapBuilder, in the folder
Il2 MapBuilder4101/ MODS/STD/3do/airfield/BlankFieldPlate/
I have file skin1o.tga 257 kB and skin1p.tga 13 kB full of aggresive green.
The whole BlankFieldPlate folder  for MapBuilder is here:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/156436gycl51bcr/BlankFieldPlate_MB.7z


In the game I have in the folder:
Il-2 Sturmovik 1946/#SAS/STD/3do/airfield/BlankFieldPlate/
I have file skin1o.tga 257 kB and skin1p.tga 13 kB empty and transparent.
The whole BlankFieldPlate folder for game is here:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/jydq25m5rlqtn6l/BlankFieldPlate.7z

Just unzip the folders and place them accordingly. With proper static.ini entries, of course:

[buildings.Plate$BlankFieldPlate]
Title       BlankFieldPlate
Mesh        3do/airfield/BlankFieldPlate/live.sim


How it looks in MapBuilder:



...amd in game:


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Re: Bumpy airfields
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2016, 09:01:41 AM »

Thanks for the help, Uzin. I'll get onto this as soon as I have a minute.
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