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Toobone

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SU-35 maneurous
« on: December 06, 2015, 05:58:52 AM »

Against all the rules of traditional aerodynamics.
PS: MAX 2017, such a beautiful jet!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jks6TTFsglk
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Re: SU-35 maneurous
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2015, 08:55:11 AM »

Quite amazing!

How you could create an FM in Il-2 able to reproduce that? It is essentially impossible.

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Re: SU-35 maneurous
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2015, 12:49:59 PM »


TBH nothing typically new to the insane Su30/35 family stunt videos. Still an amazing show!
..again wish I had a new rig and finally could fly DCS, the awesome Mig-29s and Su-27s there. >:(

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Re: SU-35 maneurous
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2015, 01:43:35 PM »

I hardly fly DCS it kind of do not rock my boat, but I still got all the modules. I find it hard taking time to learn all , when the online feature is as bad as it is. I really got other thing to do than dogfight. This is very good flying btw, I haven't seen a Western fighter do the same
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Re: SU-35 maneurous
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2015, 05:54:06 PM »

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I think it is possible ;)

Also now planes behaviour is much better and realistic compared with an year ago.

New codes with lagrange interpolation open new doors and your tools give another big help
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Re: SU-35 maneurous
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2015, 01:23:38 AM »

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Well, you would need to create an algorythm that would fluently change Aerodynamical center of the plane (to the standard lift vector you would need to add two more with different characteristics - depending on speed, AoA, roll/pitch/yaw angles...). Also, the stall characteristics would need to be tuned drastically... You sure, Vega?
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Re: SU-35 maneurous
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2015, 09:51:29 AM »

DCS is more a "wonder if I manage this" Flightsimulator with more flight simulator in it than combat flight simulator. And the interface to set up your controls are a endless task of in and out of menus .
It is in a total different league. I can understand the fascination of actually manage to do the routine starting up a A 10 and get the weapon system working. This is why I bought it. But I simply do not have this time available. I need to get up quick, blow something up and hopefully manage to land where I planned afterwards.
Anyway I still haven't manage to take off in the Dora more than once , and that was beginner luck  on first attempt. I go off the runway and the bloody thing blow to peaces just like in old IL 2 if you hit something with the wingtip
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Re: SU-35 maneurous
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2015, 05:02:21 PM »

I haven't seen a Western fighter do the same
As your pilots says: "we flying as we can, russians - as they wish" :P

Su-35 can make outstanding maneuvers at low speed, but in RL the fighter with better energy of maneuver wins.

If you lost speed you are died

And Typhoon wins in this against Su, without problems.

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Su-35 can do that at low speed and turning off fly by whire

Now we have fly by whire in F-16 and F-18.

For Su-35 we need a fbw that works over mach 0.4 (for example), a strong elevators effectiveness, an hight GCenter position switch when AOA move.

It need a lot of tests, the problem is that i have really few time.....
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Re: SU-35 maneurous
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2015, 11:28:33 PM »

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You do not move GCenter. We have to move Aerodynamical center... ;)
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Re: SU-35 maneurous
« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2015, 04:18:41 AM »

@edit by Admin: Fullquote S-N-I-P-P-E-D !!!

In IL2 you can move only GCenter

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@edit by Admin: Fullquote S-N-I-P-P-E-D !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you think that a russian paper is more accurate than phisics law?
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Re: SU-35 maneurous
« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2015, 06:00:35 AM »


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Re: SU-35 maneurous
« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2015, 06:07:09 AM »

ok sorry, i was writing it with tapatalk
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