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Re: Quest: Guess what is depicted here
« Reply #4548 on: November 07, 2018, 02:42:34 PM »

Well done James :)

I think Mike knew the answer but he was just lingering on the side … hehe.

Here's a bit on the aircraft:

The North American Aviation XB-70 Valkyrie was the prototype version of the planned B-70 nuclear-armed, deep-penetration strategic bomber for the United States Air Force Strategic Air Command. Designed in the late 1950s by North American Aviation, the six-engine Valkyrie was capable of cruising for thousands of miles at Mach 3+ while flying at 70,000 feet (21,000 m).

At these speeds, it was expected that the B-70 would be almost immune to interceptor aircraft, the only effective weapon against bomber aircraft at the time. The bomber would spend only a few minutes over a particular radar station, flying out of its range before the controllers could position their fighters in a suitable location for an interception. High speed also made the aircraft difficult to see on radar displays and its high-altitude capacity could not be matched by any contemporary Soviet fighter.



As Mike eluded to in his post, one of the XB-70's crashed. On 8 June 1966, aircraft number two was flown in close formation with four other aircraft, an F-4, F-5, T-38, and an F-104, for the purpose of a photo shoot at the behest of General Electric, manufacturer of the engines of all five aircraft. With the photo shoot complete, the F-104 rolled inverted, passed over top, and struck the Valkyrie, destroying the rudders and damaging the left wing. The Valkyrie entered a spin and crashed following the mid-air collision. NASA Chief Test Pilot Joe Walker, piloting the F-104, and Carl Cross, copilot aboard the XB-70, were killed in the crash, while Al White, the XB-70's pilot, successfully ejected.

The remaining XB-70 Valkyrie bomber is in the National Museum of the United States Air Force near Dayton, Ohio. I've been lucky enough to see and touch this remarkable aircraft.

James, your turn  :)
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Re: Quest: Guess what is depicted here
« Reply #4549 on: November 07, 2018, 06:53:41 PM »

Here is a possibly difficult one for you gents:





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Re: Quest: Guess what is depicted here
« Reply #4550 on: November 07, 2018, 10:37:00 PM »

it was expected that the B-70 would be almost immune to interceptor aircraft, the only effective weapon against bomber aircraft at the time. The bomber would spend only a few minutes over a particular radar station, flying out of its range before the controllers could position their fighters in a suitable location for an interception. High speed also made the aircraft difficult to see on radar displays and its high-altitude capacity could not be matched by any contemporary Soviet fighter.
And that's actually true for most early SAMs as well, and it also applies to the MiG-25, where the IAF made a couple of unsuccessful interception attempts with Mirage III, F-4 Phantom and Hawk missiles in the 1970s.
The MiG-25 actually was meant to end the B-70's invulnerability.

Quite like the B-70, the SR-71 was deemed virtually untouchable for the very same reasons.
It wasn't before the Swedish deployed their first Viggen jets that an SR-71 was successfully intercepted on it's full speed / max altitude flight path.
Interesting reads:
https://www.reddit.com/r/sweden/comments/4x8051/svenskarna_visar_de_f%C3%B6renta_staterna_vart_sk%C3%A5pet/d6dl4rg/
https://www.milavia.net/specials/iv_viggen/
https://imgur.com/gallery/wuzrUBN

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Re: Quest: Guess what is depicted here
« Reply #4551 on: November 08, 2018, 04:17:03 AM »

Here is a possibly difficult one for you gents:

It would be easier if I could identify the airfield. It seems to have extravagantly shaped tiles on the tarmac.
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Re: Quest: Guess what is depicted here
« Reply #4552 on: November 08, 2018, 04:36:31 AM »

Must be Japanese with that Japanese interior blue
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Re: Quest: Guess what is depicted here
« Reply #4553 on: November 08, 2018, 01:01:53 PM »

F-104 ??  Just guessing from left field.  :)
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Re: Quest: Guess what is depicted here
« Reply #4554 on: November 08, 2018, 06:39:00 PM »


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It would be easier if I could identify the airfield. It seems to have extravagantly shaped tiles on the tarmac.

Sniperton: That might be a bit difficult seeing that that isn‘t a real airfield.

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Must be Japanese with that Japanese interior blue

LameHawk: Nope, Sorry. Not Japanese.

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F-104 ??  Just guessing from left field.  :)

DH: Not an F-104. This one goes a bit faster.
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Re: Quest: Guess what is depicted here
« Reply #4555 on: November 08, 2018, 07:50:03 PM »

Hmmm … maybe the X-1A ??
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Re: Quest: Guess what is depicted here
« Reply #4556 on: November 08, 2018, 10:50:11 PM »

Apparently we see a rather narrow cockpit section with a rather short, pointed nose, and no jet intakes either in the nose nor where you would expect them to be on something like an F-104.
All of this would match the VJ-101 / Bell D-188/XF3L/XF-109, but the canopy doesn't look right and the turquoise inside the cockpit would rather indicate that it's of russian origin, however in the latter case, if the plane was faster than an F-104 and looks like a 1950s design, it should be somewhere along the line of the Ye-155, and all of these either have air intakes in the nose or up front their fuselage sides.

My bet would be that it's a fantasy plane model and James is pulling us a leg.

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Re: Quest: Guess what is depicted here
« Reply #4557 on: November 09, 2018, 09:23:00 AM »

No, it is actually a real aircraft and it is indeed Russian. I‘m not that much of an ass. This is a model of a very real airplane.

The quest aircraft has a bit in common with this aircraft:





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Re: Quest: Guess what is depicted here
« Reply #4558 on: November 09, 2018, 09:36:30 AM »

Well in that case... the canopy style would indicate it's a Suchoi. But it's not a P-1. But maybe close.

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Re: Quest: Guess what is depicted here
« Reply #4559 on: November 09, 2018, 09:38:25 AM »

Not a Sukhoi. That‘s too MiG-21‘ish. Think wider....
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