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solotk

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Re: SAAF Beaufighter Strike Photos. - Balkans
« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2014, 04:47:45 PM »

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have you compared the pics? For sure its not the Pluto.

I didn't see the small photo at the bottom of the Clyde Ships page!  :-[

Looking at the photos again, I can see what looks like a faded Red Cross on top of a funnel in the side on view of the ship. However, the stern attack photos, do look like the Pluto you highlight in your post Gerax. All photos look to have been taken within the breakwater of Trieste Harbour.

So 2 different ships attacked do you think?
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Re: SAAF Beaufighter Strike Photos. - Balkans
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2014, 02:52:18 AM »

It were two (!) such large ships (>20.000grt) there  :):

the SS Duilio:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Duilio

and the SS Giulio Cesare:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Giulio_Cesare

first I had troubles to find a hospital ship with such a aft
but then found two!  ;D

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SS Duilio was briefly chartered to the International Red Cross for a time before being laid-up at the port of Trieste as well as Giulio Cesare in 1943. The SS Duilio was sunk there on July 10, 1944 along with the Giulio Cesare, she was attacked by Allied aircraft. Her wreckage was refloated and scrapped in 1948.

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in 1942, during the Second World War, SS Giulio Cesare was chartered to the International Red Cross for a time before being laid-up in the port of Trieste. The SS Giulio Cesare was sunk there in 1944, when, along with the SS Duilio, she was attacked by Allied aircraft.

I think the ship swimming is the Giulio Cesare and the sunk is Duilio.


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Re: SAAF Beaufighter Strike Photos. - Balkans
« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2014, 03:00:00 AM »

nicely researched there, mate :D
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Re: SAAF Beaufighter Strike Photos. - Balkans
« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2014, 09:55:26 AM »

Top research Gerax! :)

So is that the Pluto to the left of the sinking Duilio?
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Re: SAAF Beaufighter Strike Photos. - Balkans
« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2016, 04:17:36 PM »

It is a long time since this query was first posted but I hope that the following may close off the query and reach the other members who made comments above.
I am a postal historian and have collected and studied mail (envelopes and cards) written in or addressed to hospital ships for the past 40 years.
During the First and Second World Wars hospital ships operated by government bodies (navy & army for instance) were usually (but not always) painted overall white with a horizontal band around the hull painted green. Most had, in addition, large red crosses on the hull (depending on the size of the ship there might be one, two or three red crosses on port and starboard but sometimes none at all). Most funnels were plainly painted but some had red crosses. All these varieties appear to be each government's interpretation of the several Geneva Conventions. Privately operated hospital ships (i.e. those operated by Red Cross organisations or similar) would have a red horizontal band around the hull - a variant often challenged by warships etc.
During the Second World War a number of ships were chartered by the International Red Cross to carry out voyages of refugee or prisoner exchange, or famine relief. These vessels were painted in a variety of colour schemes, seemingly outside of the internationally accepted 'hospital ship' colour scheme.
The ships shown in the two photographs mentioned above were of the latter category and had been chartered by the IRC for several refugee exchanges or repatriations. Both were Italian owned ships but by the time the photos were taken (28 August 1944) both had been returned to their owners, having completed their respective charters. Both ships had red crosses painted on their hulls, together with the Italian flag, and white overall. Their funnels were painted with a Swiss cross, i.e. a white cross on a red circular background.
Both ships had been laid up in the harbour of Vallone di Zaule, near Trieste. When Italy collapsed in September 1943 both were scuttled where they were moored. Later they were raised by the Germans but before they could be restored the South African Air Force attacked and sank them. The ship shown on its side was the Duilio and she was sunk on 6 July 1944. The one shown as being fired upon (and subsequently sunk) was the Giulio Cesare.
Both vessels were empty of personnel at the time of their sinking and the attacks were legitimate and legal. Perhaps it had been decided that to leave the mercy ship markings on the hull and funnels would afford better protection for the two ships; another reason might have been that it had been thought they might be used again for similar repatriation duties.
Apologies for the length of this post but I thought it essential to state the facts rather than allow speculation to remain.
   
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Re: SAAF Beaufighter Strike Photos. - Balkans
« Reply #17 on: February 02, 2016, 02:33:24 PM »

wow, thanks Hospital ship.

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Re: SAAF Beaufighter Strike Photos. - Balkans
« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2019, 04:51:38 PM »

Odd things that happen..

Just revisited this thread, and remembered I was in Karlovac in 2016. Our Croatian hosts took us out for beer and celebrations, and I just realised photo 37 was taken very close indeed to the Cafe and river we were at. Really close, as in just to the right of the picture as you look at it.

Small world, but I wouldn't want to paint it :)
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