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Re: Jugs Reloaded: A P-47 Pack
« Reply #120 on: December 22, 2015, 11:50:01 AM »

Just wanted to say thanks! These are absolutely beautiful airplanes. Justice has finally been done to my favorite airplane. The whine of the turbo-supercharger, the overspeed light works correctly, the cockpits are beautiful, and the loadouts allow you to annihilate anything in your path. Phenomenal!
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Re: Jugs Reloaded: A P-47 Pack
« Reply #121 on: April 12, 2016, 08:04:22 AM »

Using a relatively basic empty mod folder, these appear to work in 4.13.1. Just thought I'd let you all know.

One thing, When flying my favorite, the D-22, I noticed that I got the tail warning siren sound as in later models. If memory serves this was a known issue before so I guess all is as it should be.  ;D
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Re: Jugs Reloaded: A P-47 Pack
« Reply #122 on: April 15, 2016, 07:13:00 AM »

Hi, I am new here. Love this mod but I can't use D-27/D-30 to strafe ground targets well because the yaw instability. I tried to find some information about it on internet, unfortunately most of them just say it's instable. Only one site described in more detail...
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The loss of side area due to the cutting down of the fuselage (to accommodate the bubble canopy), reduced the linear stability of the bubble topped Jugs. This could lead to a loss of control if rudder deflection was too great at low speeds. The fillet partially corrected this rudder force over-balance condition. It would not be fully eliminated until the final production model of the Thunderbolt.

Perhaps we can have D-27/D-30 be stable at high speed in future update. :)
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Re: Jugs Reloaded: A P-47 Pack
« Reply #123 on: April 15, 2016, 09:34:05 AM »


Perhaps we can have D-27/D-30 be stable at high speed in future update. :)

considering this was deliberately done in order to reflect historical accuracy, i very much doubt there'll be any such update.
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Re: Jugs Reloaded: A P-47 Pack
« Reply #124 on: April 16, 2016, 12:31:36 AM »

I guess the misunderstanding here is that the line
The loss of side area (...) reduced the linear stability of the bubble topped Jugs. This could lead to a loss of control if rudder deflection was too great at low speeds.
has just been scanned quickly and the limitation "at low speeds" has been mistaken as an indicator that everything was fine at high speed.
It wasn't.
And the reason for the yaw oscillation the "loss of side area", it was caused by turbulent airflow behind the bubble top canopy hitting the vertical stabilizer behind.

An early (read: not equipped with fillet, anything before -40 and not field modified) Jug with bubble top canopy would always yaw-oscillate plus when you give too much rudder at low speed, you might lose control completely.

Only the latter (loss of control) is a direct result of reduced side area, the former (yaw oscillation) is a result of turbulent airflow behind the bubble top canopy.

And then again, only the latter (yaw oscillation) has been modelled in the jugs pack so far, which means that if asking for historical accuracy, the next required change would be to add the loss of control in low speed / high rudder deflection scenarios.

Best regards - Mike
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Re: Jugs Reloaded: A P-47 Pack
« Reply #125 on: April 19, 2016, 10:59:17 AM »

I had a similar issue with the N in CUP, the little buzzer warning. All I did was recycle my flaps down to combat and then back up and it quit.

My question is about skins for the N, does anyone know if there are any specifically for that A/C and it's long, abrupt dorsal fin?

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Re: Jugs Reloaded: A P-47 Pack
« Reply #126 on: April 24, 2016, 01:50:26 AM »

I guess the misunderstanding here is that the line
The loss of side area (...) reduced the linear stability of the bubble topped Jugs. This could lead to a loss of control if rudder deflection was too great at low speeds.
has just been scanned quickly and the limitation "at low speeds" has been mistaken as an indicator that everything was fine at high speed.
It wasn't.
And the reason for the yaw oscillation the "loss of side area", it was caused by turbulent airflow behind the bubble top canopy hitting the vertical stabilizer behind.

An early (read: not equipped with fillet, anything before -40 and not field modified) Jug with bubble top canopy would always yaw-oscillate plus when you give too much rudder at low speed, you might lose control completely.

Only the latter (loss of control) is a direct result of reduced side area, the former (yaw oscillation) is a result of turbulent airflow behind the bubble top canopy.

And then again, only the latter (yaw oscillation) has been modelled in the jugs pack so far, which means that if asking for historical accuracy, the next required change would be to add the loss of control in low speed / high rudder deflection scenarios.

Best regards - Mike

Understood. Nevertheless, so far I didn't find any complain about gun handling on early bubbletop but rudder control problem at low speed. There's one more example:


Besides, it was not fully cured until N model according to the site I quoted earlier. Maybe D-40&M also need some adjustments.
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Re: Jugs Reloaded: A P-47 Pack
« Reply #127 on: May 06, 2016, 01:26:55 AM »

Just a minor note, and sorry for my mood:
As I slowly repair my self fucked up 4.12 ModAct 5.3, I come to worship every modpack with a readme inside the Mods folder relevant folder.
Ideally, IMHO; a readme should be on page 1, post one, and inside each install folder for the MODS/SAS etc folders.

Well, frankly, ca. 10% of all modders do it that way, the F-80s e.g. in the latest variation feature a now redundant air.ini set in the mod relevant folder compared to the release post.
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Re: Jugs Reloaded: A P-47 Pack
« Reply #128 on: May 06, 2016, 01:32:16 AM »

...on the other hand, after redownloading it...I completely worship that it is one of the few and very few mods which comes with a correctly shaped symmetrical air.ini entry set.
Cheers


Mike, with your permission I add the readme here at the top of the thread and also in the AMT Early Stangs thread.
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Re: Jugs Reloaded: A P-47 Pack
« Reply #129 on: May 06, 2016, 12:17:51 PM »

Go ahead Thorsten, I'm fine with it.

Best regards - Mike
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Re: Jugs Reloaded: A P-47 Pack
« Reply #130 on: May 06, 2016, 08:31:38 PM »


UPGRADE = New airplane Wheels and Rims Skins - A Must Have !

http://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php?topic=51272.msg559047#msg559047

Also works on these 17 P-47-fighters.
Enjoy !

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Re: Jugs Reloaded: A P-47 Pack
« Reply #131 on: May 07, 2016, 04:48:59 AM »

Go ahead Thorsten, I'm fine with it.

Best regards - Mike

Thanks Mike.
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In the meantime I rechecked post 1 again and need to apologize:
The readme is attached and I was too dumb to see it.
Will add the readme to the early Stangs. ;) :P
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