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JIMMY99

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Re: Dewoitine D.520 (4.09) v1.1
« Reply #24 on: May 23, 2013, 02:30:04 AM »

HI there...

sorry epervier, my cruise speed is bettrer, 280/270 instead of 250, but problems remained...I still not able to beat a JU-87 at a speedrace
or able to escort bombers....just try your D-520 in AI escorting a Leo and you will see the problem....

THX for your work,

JIM
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Re: Dewoitine D.520 (4.09) v1.1
« Reply #25 on: May 23, 2013, 05:49:31 AM »

Please, this is not very informative : tell me what speed (IAS or TAS), what altitude, what map.
Second point : I am under HSFX6.0, 4.10 and 4.09 have to be retested, which I do not do.
About the Leo45, I will post the perfs in the game compared to perfs in the tests from Docavia, you will understand which FM has to be changed :)
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Re: Dewoitine D.520 (4.09) v1.1
« Reply #26 on: May 23, 2013, 06:44:00 AM »

I am under SAS 4.09m...

I don't about IAS or TAS...But when I put on a map, let say the Westernfront, your D-520 for a simple level flight at any altitude, at 300km/h well the bird is not able to match it and fly at max 280 Km/h max....so if you got to escort bombers it's impossible cause they fly quicker than you...The D-520 AI have to go down and down and to follow the big ones and finally crash....

too bad

I m not an expert of moddeling..just a simple player...well if someone test the D-520 4.09 version test it as AI in an escort mission of bombers like the Leo and you will see immediately what i am talking about...

cheers

JIM
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Re: Dewoitine D.520 (4.09) v1.1
« Reply #27 on: May 23, 2013, 09:09:03 AM »

I am under SAS 4.09m...

I don't about IAS or TAS...But when I put on a map, let say the Westernfront, your D-520 for a simple level flight at any altitude, at 300km/h well the bird is not able to match it and fly at max 280 Km/h max....so if you got to escort bombers it's impossible cause they fly quicker than you...The D-520 AI have to go down and down and to follow the big ones and finally crash....

too bad

I m not an expert of moddeling..just a simple player...well if someone test the D-520 4.09 version test it as AI in an escort mission of bombers like the Leo and you will see immediately what i am talking about...

cheers

JIM

The speed you read is the IAS (indicated air speed), you have to check TAS.
Check here :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airspeed

As I told you, don't think about teh Leo45
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Re: Dewoitine D.520 (4.09) v1.1
« Reply #28 on: May 23, 2013, 12:19:49 PM »

Ok, I think I got it : If you use autopilot for your aircraft in some versions, they may have a very strange behaviour. If you use a "full AI" aircraft, then they behave normally.
Check this mission :
http://www.mediafire.com/download/gkvq2lchlam2mjn/Tests.zip
The player is flying a "dummy aircraft", all is ok.
If you change the player plane to the leading escorting Dewoitine => it happens exactly what you describes.

I know that this happens too for the Spit12early at least

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Re: Dewoitine D.520 (4.09) v1.1
« Reply #29 on: May 25, 2013, 08:07:21 AM »

new FM v550 by Jeamba !
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Re: Dewoitine D.520 (4.09) v1.1
« Reply #30 on: May 25, 2013, 10:40:22 AM »

Sorry guys...same thing again...even in full AI..the bird is too slow.....280 km/h max at level...less than a STUKA.

The speed I am talking about is the speed indication I have in red at the low left corner of the screen not the one in the cokpit.

Just a question the first FM you did gives the plane a speed too high..... is that correct?

Well, in any case THX to be concerned with my problem I really appreciate that...And sorry for my frenchy english.....

PS : I don't think D-520 AIs do dummy things...Cause the only solution they have too stay with bombers that are faster than them
       is to go down to gain speed.....
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Re: Dewoitine D.520 (4.09) v1.1
« Reply #31 on: May 25, 2013, 10:59:02 AM »

Old versions :
- FM v500 by Jeamba
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Re: Dewoitine D.520 (4.09) v1.1
« Reply #32 on: May 25, 2013, 12:44:32 PM »


The speed I am talking about is the speed indication I have in red at the low left corner of the screen not the one in the cokpit.

J
This is the IAS
Did you tes my mission to check how they escorted ?
Here are the current perfs recorded in IL2, HSFX6.017 :
I could reproduce teh D520 perfs in play.


Compared to the perfs in the Docavia :



I really do not understand what happends to you, I tested deeply and found nothing except what I told you about AI
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Re: Dewoitine D.520 (4.09) v1.1
« Reply #33 on: May 25, 2013, 01:36:07 PM »

For me too!

The AI planes are keeping correct speed and reach more than 360 kmph when simply escorting AI

Don't Jimmy have tas in MPH or KNOTS?

If we convert kmph in the other 2 measures the value are what he have....
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Re: Dewoitine D.520 (4.09) v1.1
« Reply #34 on: May 31, 2013, 03:18:34 AM »

Hi there,
I check the mission and it's working with the AI planes, the problem seems to be when I fly as a player and especially with the automatic pilot,
in this configuration my speed is falling down from 400 to 260 KM/H....Anyway I have to test other things and I tell you if you are interested...

thx for trying guys...keep in touch...


JIM
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Re: Dewoitine D.520 (4.09) v1.1
« Reply #35 on: May 31, 2013, 03:28:20 AM »

Hi there,
I check the mission and it's working with the AI planes, the problem seems to be when I fly as a player and especially with the automatic pilot,
in this configuration my speed is falling down from 400 to 260 KM/H....Anyway I have to test other things and I tell you if you are interested...

thx for trying guys...keep in touch...


JIM
This is exactly what I told you above, but I found a solution (I hope)
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