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[HundertzehnGustav]

builds upon community work? community work is illegal by definition, what does 1C say? what do the UP guys say? what about the techs that made HSFX 4.1? are they okay with that situation of someone making a buck off their work?

Ask a lawyer and he will tell you: "Well, it's illegal first hand, but who should sue him for this and what for?"
Personally I just don't care. If he really earns money from it: Poor morons who paid for such kind of stuff, but people pay for ring tones as well, so where does the nonsense start and will it ever stop? Shall I be upset about it? I guess no.

Best regards - Mike

agree.

but, as we are already on the dark side of the law, what remains among us outlaws are elements like, honor, respect, communication, common sense, keeping the game alive...

and i have a sense that

communication:
was there communication between WWIIes and UP/HSFX/AAA?
No

Honor and respect:
by default, where money comes into play, honor  and respect mostly leave the scene, so
No

common sense and keeping the game alive
define common sense. lol?
keeping the game alive - these campaigns hardly do.
neutral response

its not my kind of product.
but about the product it hardly has ever been.
Its about the context, and that context stinks to hell.

Some clever marketing there, and on facebook the "worldwide 1946 pilots" communty i was invited to, was nothing but a WIIes propaganda platform, where critical postsabout "yo stop making publicity for your product"were... ugh... moderated.
Normal... the admin for the group is indeed a dude that calls himself "WWIIes"... i was in their lawn and pissing on their flowers.
My bad... wrote a note to the admin saying why disagree.

along the lines of

Poor morons who paid for such kind of stuff, but people pay for ring tones as well, so where does the nonsense start and will it ever stop?

i said to myself: i have been caught by the propaganda. Damn! Shoulda watched out!
...and quickly left that "WWIIes sales-propaganda-commerial platform".

And then discovered the modding use for product thing.

sour aftertaste ... very much.

[HundertzehnGustav]

I don't care about it.
I think it's OK to make campaigns and missions for sale.
It's like you making a drawing in your licenced Corel Draw and try to sell it.
I will not buy it, but if someone will, it's OK to me too.

My 2 cents.



santobr.

what if your corel draw is not licensed at all?
if the pencil you draw with, you stole it at a shop?

is it still okay?
My question is about that small difference.

[HundertzehnGustav]

lets shut down their business.

Yep, tactical nuclear strike.

Best regards - Mike

red-mist carpetbombing

[santobr]

Well, my IL-2 is licenced, why theirs not?



santobr.

[crazyflak]

i mean like.... would you nuke the shit out of me?

Yes I would... if it contains mods without previous consultation of authors, but what you say does *not* contain mods, it only contains REFERENCES to them...

[HundertzehnGustav]

Well, my IL-2 is licenced, why theirs not?



santobr.

their mods that are used in making the campaigns... arent.

[crazyflak]

if the pencil you draw with, you stole it at a shop?

lol! is that the kind of questions you ask when you are purchasing drawings?

Hey! I want to buy this book but, is the paper that you used coming from illegal rain-forest tree cutting?

This would definitely be a better world if everybody did that, but I wish you luck with the answer to that 

PS... btw, what the hell are you up to? what is that evil little mind planing?

[santobr]

They are not selling mods and there is a lot of free addons for Corel Draw, Photoshop, etc.
Even at 1C we can discuss about mods now.
There is nothing wrong about it.



santobr.

[HundertzehnGustav]

i mean like.... would you nuke the shit out of me?

Yes I would... if it contains mods without previous consultation of authors, but what you say does not contain mods, it only contains REFERENCES to them...

true.
the user will probably be guided to visit a modding website and grab what he needs here/there , or be requested to have a clean install of UP RC4/HSFX/AAA1.1, in order to properly use these campaigns.

In that case, is the situation acceptable?

a bunch of neutral questions i would like to ask. I do not expect a quick answer.
I do not need(deserve...) an answer.
my goal is to get you thinking.

Is it acceptable to guide their customers to a modding site?
in that case the modding site provides a service to WWIIes.
But also draws new users to mods.

I have not a single one of their products nor do i plan to aquire one.
Is it acceptable to put a UP3RC4 installator on their product media (CD/DVD) ?
Community serves WWIIes
WWIIes draws new players to mods

at this stage i have exposed my own opinion,
i have shown, and agreed that the situation is complex
I have asked a bunch of questions.

This point, this exact point is where i must stop because my knowledge ends.
also for further discussion i feel the presence of WWIIes is  welcome, and necessary.
But at the cuirrent time, i feel i am not able to do levelheaded discussing with any of their representatives, nor do i have an interest in that.

I hope i have raised your eyebrows quite a bit and given you food for thought.

for me, this is an eye opener indeed... the WTF moment of the entire weekend.

*edit for more generic references*

[HundertzehnGustav]

They are not selling mods and there is a lot of free addons for Corel Draw, Photoshop, etc.
Even at 1C we can discuss about mods now.
There is nothing wrong about it.



santobr.

you can discuss mods, but they never said mods are legal now.

how do you want to create (SELL!!) mods for corel if you do not have a copy? a legal copy? what do the guys at corel say?
its a fine line...

[santobr]

They are not selling mods, just campaigns and missions.



santobr.

[HundertzehnGustav]

okok, they use illegal mods (UP3RC4) to create legal mods (missions).

are the results of their work legal or not?
Illegal... because their work (missions) is based on illegal work (UP3)... so....

but as i said, that is not the question that interests me.
is it acceptable? moral? ethics? things like that?
to me, no. never...

but i am one of... 50.000?
make up your own mind
*beer*