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Dreamk

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Breguet 19 (Lorraine/Elizade/Hispano) - update 01
« on: June 08, 2012, 01:05:12 AM »

To complete this first part of the SCW two-seaters aircraft (I need take a break for the week-end, but next week will see hopefully more surprises) here's one of the symbols of this conflict, an aircraft that stamped its mark on  world aviation history - the Breguet 19.
Here too, as for the Potez 25, numerous versions evolved, with various engines and armament.
In Spain the Br19 was present in various versions:
The Lorraine engined Br19 was bought from France in the early 20s then licensed produced, soon with a local version of the Lorraine engine - the Elizade.
Then the aircraft was licensed produced with an Hispano engine that gave it its characteristic nose shape.
The original standard armament included one frontal pilot fixed synchronized Vickers MkI or II, and a double Lewis MkII/III on a TO observer turret (a French version of the Scarff ring). An additional Lewis was included to be used by the observer through a small opening under the rear fuselage, but was generally discarded.
In Spain the frontal gun was generally dismounted, but could be still seen on original Lorraine or Elizade engined aircraft. Later produced Hispano engined aircraft did not usually sport this frontal armament, and often used a British Scarff ring instead of the French TO turret.
A modification of this plane often seen in Spanish skies was built in order to replace the twin Lewis turret by a much more potent Vickers K on a Fairey Fast Gun Mount (identical to the one mounted on the Swordfish).
The bomb load was rather consistant for the period. The fuel load too - as a matter of fact this aircraft was packed with fuel tanks and bombs compartments inside a fuselage made of thin aluminium sheet forward and fabric rearward - one an easily imagine what happened to these planes when shoot at by an enemy fighter, even lightly armed.

Notes:
1) The pilots wear the white "mono" flying suit, typical of pre-civil war Spanish Air Arm, often seen on aircrews in the early phases of the conflict.
2) I have included 3 variants of the cockpit showing various arrangements known to have been used for the windows and gunsight/bombsight, in this aircraft where frontal vision was almost absent due to the upper wing struts arrangements.
2) The Type D Internal vertical bomb rack, with its characteristic protrusion under the fuselage, will not appear on the QMB selection screen,  when the suitable armament is selected, but will appear on the model.
3) Similarly the Type F "under fuselage cut" will not be displayed on the QMB but will correctly appear on the model.






Download links:
Breguet19
http://www.mediafire.com/?hgwp0pn6q1cb407

The updated French and Spanish bombs are needed to fly this plane (if you have not already downloaded them with the Potez 25, do it here)
Arms France Updated
http://www.mediafire.com/?a7y12m23y3n9u63
Arms Spain Updated
http://www.mediafire.com/?9n5tiud5j0zl73w

air.ini:

Breguet_19LV    air.Breguet_19LV        NOINFO  i01   SUMMER
Breguet_19L    air.Breguet_19L        NOINFO  i01   SUMMER
Breguet_19H    air.Breguet_19H        NOINFO  i01   SUMMER
Breguet_19HV    air.Breguet_19HV        NOINFO  i01   SUMMER

plane_ru.properties:

Breguet_19L               Breguet 19 Lorraine, 1922
Breguet_19LV            Breguet 19 Elizade (Vickers K), 1935
Breguet_19H              Breguet 19 Hispano, 1930
Breguet_19HV            Breguet 19 Hispano (VickersK) 1935

weapons_ru.properties:

####################################################################
# Breguet_19L
#####################################################################
Breguet_19L.default                                        Default
Breguet_19L.4x100KgHE                               4x100kg Mod 1930
Breguet_19L.2x200KgHE                               2x200kg Mod 1930
Breguet_19L.8x50KgGAMM                            8x50kg GAMM
Breguet_19L.32x10KgHE                               32x10kg Type P
Breguet_19L.44x10KgHE                               44x10kg Type P
Breguet_19L.24x10KgHE                               24x10kg Type P
Breguet_19L.none                                       None


####################################################################
# Breguet_19LV
#####################################################################
Breguet_19LV.default                                    Default
Breguet_19LV.4x100KgHE                               4x100kg Mod 1930
Breguet_19LV.2x200KgHE                               2x200kg Mod 1930
Breguet_19LV.24x10KgHE                               24x10kg Type P
Breguet_19LV.none                                           None


####################################################################
# Breguet_19H
#####################################################################
Breguet_19H.default                                    Default
Breguet_19H.4x100KgHE                               4x100kg Mod 1930
Breguet_19H.2x200KgHE                               2x200kg Mod 1930
Breguet_19H.8x50KgGAMM                            8x50kg GAMM
Breguet_19H.32x10KgHE                               32x10kg Type P
Breguet_19H.44x10KgHE                               44x10kg Type P
Breguet_19H.24x10KgHE                               24x10kg Type P
Breguet_19H.none                                       None


####################################################################
# Breguet_19HV
#####################################################################
Breguet_19HV.default                                    Default
Breguet_19HV.4x100KgHE                               4x100kg A7
Breguet_19HV.2x200KgHE                               2x200kg Mod 1930
Breguet_19HV.24x10KgHE                               24x10kg R5
Breguet_19HV.none                                       None



This mod is for 4.10 and has been tested on SAS modact and DBW 1.7
This package is freeware.
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1) the present post must be included as a "Readme" text file.
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Original 3dModel, Java Files, FM: Dreamk
Skins and template: Agracier
The cockpit is a reworking and repainting of an original cockpit by Loku

Theses files should not cause any problems with your computer, but we accept no responsibility if you think it does.

Thanks to Oleg Maddox and Qtim for creating Il2 and opening the gates to Mod creation, to Kumpel for his matrix tool, and thanks to SAS for enabling modders to share their knowledge on Il2 modding.
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Update01 : http://www.mediafire.com/?8e7q94adufae1on
   - gunner dead (Bi/Br)
   - pilot-player dead (H/HV/L/LV)
   - correction LOD 500 (all msh)
   - update by Birdman included
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Re: Breguet 19 (Lorraine/Elizade / Hispano) Ready to DL
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2012, 01:24:25 AM »

a link to some skins and templates for the Breguet 19

http://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,26040.0.html
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Re: Breguet 19 (Lorraine/Elizade / Hispano) Ready to DL
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2012, 01:45:09 AM »

Gentlemen, what can we say... MANY THANKS!!!! 8)
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Re: Breguet 19 (Lorraine/Elizade / Hispano) Ready to DL
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2012, 01:46:47 AM »

Cada dia una alegría!!

Thanks Dreamk, Agracier and all involved, for this outstanding work!!
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Re: Breguet 19 (Lorraine/Elizade / Hispano) Ready to DL
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2012, 01:48:29 AM »

This plane has a quite special cockpit, with an almost totally obscured frontal view due to the large supporting strut for the upper wing. It's a wonder pilots saw anything at all. So it's a challenge to pilot this in enemy skies.
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Re: Breguet 19 (Lorraine/Elizade / Hispano) Ready to DL
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2012, 02:41:50 AM »

Thanls a lot, DreamK and agracier for another great plane) Your work is outstanding)
I see one thing - when I look back to my Breget's tail, with a normal (Page Down-key)view  in a standard keyboard, there is a transparend interval between rear part of fuselage and vertical part of tail... I mean I see a small part of fuselage, then nothing. and then a normal little bit of tail)
Maybe, It's only my combuter's bug)
Regards, Andrei)
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Re: Breguet 19 (Lorraine/Elizade / Hispano) Ready to DL
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2012, 03:24:31 AM »

Well, I warned everyone about that cockpit rear view bug before uploading this series of planes (http://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,24702.msg269081.html#msg269081:(
Cockpits are still a problem (don't look back - the rear cockpit views are awful sometimes) but there is improvement on this point, and if you zoom on the instruments panels you may have some pleasant surprizes on some planes. It's only the beginnning... :)
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Re: Breguet 19 (Lorraine/Elizade / Hispano) Ready to DL
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2012, 05:12:09 AM »

I attached some fixes:
- The propeller of Hispano variants now rotates when engine is running.
- I centered the Hispano propellers and Lorraine damaged propeller better.
- I repositioned engine, tail, pilot, left aileron and bomb bay doors to avoid any holes.
- I removed misplaced rear faces of rotating propeller spinners.

Any there some FM updates coming? Now some planes are suffering from severe engine overrevving and some can fly a lot faster than expected, in some cases even accelerate over VNE at SL in level flight.
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Re: Breguet 19 (Lorraine/Elizade / Hispano) Ready to DL
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2012, 05:41:43 AM »

wery nice work  !!!!

thank you !!!!
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Re: Breguet 19 (Lorraine/Elizade / Hispano) Ready to DL
« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2012, 06:01:12 AM »

Thanks a lot for this great and needed plane!

The icon of the early stages of SCW!!!

And an excellent target for my Legion Condor virtual fellow!

About the weapon , to avoid missing update what about add the release date at the download name?

Ex: actually "_Arms_Spain" can be named "_Arms_Spain v20120608" for example so when we real to download new version of them we can immediately check at the download if we have the last or not.....

All the best!

walter
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Re: Breguet 19 (Lorraine/Elizade / Hispano) Ready to DL
« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2012, 06:31:36 AM »

There you go... The Breuget XIX!!! A must for the early phases of the war!!!

SUPER!!!  :P :P :P
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Re: Breguet 19 (Lorraine/Elizade / Hispano) Ready to DL
« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2012, 06:53:46 AM »

Well, I warned everyone about that cockpit rear view bug before uploading this series of planes (http://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,24702.msg269081.html#msg269081:(
Oh, I'm sorry, I should read your messages more attentivly) BTW, your Breguet is very good)
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