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tooslow

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Re: F4U-1 FM
« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2015, 07:40:48 PM »

deadstick88

First I'm glad you got some of the planes working.  That's why I include the ini & ru files in the adders ... so you can do a selective install of just the planes you want and you don't have to download all of them. 

On your installation problems the only thing I can assume is that some how you got a corrupted download.   I just re-downloaded the first adder and it installed perfectly.   Also the first adder (#WAW_1st adder m12) has been downloaded almost 200 times and you are the first to mention this problem.   Since I can't duplicate your difficulty all I can suggest is that you re-download the adder and try again. 

Wish I could've been of more helpful ... tooslow
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Re: F4U-1 FM
« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2015, 02:04:47 PM »

Here's the last line of the log file which I assume to be the problem;

[7:59:36 PM]   FM called 'FlightModels/Bf-109K-14.fmd' is being loaded from Alternative File: 'gui/game/buttons'
[7:59:36 PM]   FM called 'FlightModels/Bf-109Z.fmd' is being loaded from Alternative File: 'gui/game/buttons'
[7:59:36 PM]   Main begin: PlMisAir: class 'air.BF_109V48' not found
[7:59:36 PM]   java.lang.RuntimeException: PlMisAir: class 'air.BF_109V48' not found
[7:59:36 PM]      at com.maddox.il2.gui.GUIQuick.fillArrayPlanes(GUIQuick.java:1064)
[7:59:36 PM]      at com.maddox.il2.gui.GUIQuick.<init>(GUIQuick.java:1841)
[7:59:36 PM]      at com.maddox.il2.gui.GUI.create(GUI.java:160)
[7:59:36 PM]      at com.maddox.il2.game.Main3D.beginApp(Main3D.java:1885)
[7:59:36 PM]      at com.maddox.il2.game.Main3D.beginApp(Main3D.java:1579)
[7:59:36 PM]      at com.maddox.il2.game.MainWin3D.beginApp(MainWin3D.java:212)
[7:59:36 PM]      at com.maddox.il2.game.Main.exec(Main.java:432)
[7:59:36 PM]      at com.maddox.il2.game.GameWin3D.main(GameWin3D.java:235)
[Aug 30, 2015 7:59:36 PM] -------------- END log session -------------

So if my assumption is correct and the missing 109V48 is the problem, what is the solution?
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Re: F4U-1 FM
« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2015, 06:03:59 AM »


In real life the F4U Corsair was a pig to fly. It had horrible handling characteristics and pilots that transferred from the easy to fly Hellcat hated the F4U, even though the F4U was considerably faster. Corsair pilots used to call the F4U the "Hog" as well as "the bent-wing widow maker" because of all the handling related accidents the F4U had.

In fact, pilots had such trouble with the Corsair's handling that the US Navy first thought it to be unsuitable for carrier operations. The first F4U's were therefore restricted to land operations. It took some extensive training before the Corsair could be used on carriers. Even then the F4U was known more as a USMC fighter than a USN fighter, with most Corsairs remaining land-based.

Turning dogfights were to be avoided at all costs in the F4U. Boom & Zoom tactics were the way to success for the F4U, making good use of its 400mph+ top speed at high altitude. The F4U's size enabled it to carry a considerable load of bombs & rockets, which made it especially good in the ground attack role.
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Re: F4U-1 FM
« Reply #15 on: May 10, 2017, 12:53:05 PM »

True for the early 1A model but completely wrong for the 1D and Dash4...
Maybe grab some better sources before stating such wrong things like "pig to fly" and stuff....
I recommend the VF-17 story or Norman Hanson's bio...
And I remember some great 5 minutes of talking to a British FAA Corsair pilot at Duxford a few years ago....he had some different memories and never used the word pig to describe the Corsair....
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Re: F4U-1 FM
« Reply #16 on: October 13, 2018, 03:26:06 AM »


In real life the F4U Corsair was a pig to fly. It had horrible handling characteristics and pilots that transferred from the easy to fly Hellcat hated the F4U, even though the F4U was considerably faster. Corsair pilots used to call the F4U the "Hog" as well as "the bent-wing widow maker" because of all the handling related accidents the F4U had.

In fact, pilots had such trouble with the Corsair's handling that the US Navy first thought it to be unsuitable for carrier operations. The first F4U's were therefore restricted to land operations. It took some extensive training before the Corsair could be used on carriers. Even then the F4U was known more as a USMC fighter than a USN fighter, with most Corsairs remaining land-based.

Turning dogfights were to be avoided at all costs in the F4U. Boom & Zoom tactics were the way to success for the F4U, making good use of its 400mph+ top speed at high altitude. The F4U's size enabled it to carry a considerable load of bombs & rockets, which made it especially good in the ground attack role.

Despite the fact the trent has to login for almost a year, I feel obliged to reply. It's very annoying that someone posts a comment without

1) reading what was written before in the same topic

2) apperently, never tried the plane himself of the simulator or at least not the other planes on its class to compare it.

About the comment of being a "pig". Well, almost single engined high powered in the 2000 bhp (or more) class was a "pig". Ex-Hurricane pilots would comment that the Typhoon/Tempest was a plane "for real men", while the Hurricane was "for boys". Ex-merlin spitfire pilots would comment about "wild nature" of the griffon-spitfires in contrast with the "sweet nature" of the merlin-spitfires. Experten would comment about the difficulty of novice pilots in the late 109s (G-14/AS, G-10, K-4) in contrast with the forgiving -D & -E models that were around when they were novice pilots. Soviets would allow initially new recruits to start their combat sorties with the La-5. And Japanese pilots similarly they would comment how the Ki-84, N1K1/2-J and J2M needed an experienced pilot to get the best out of it, in contrast with the more forgiving nature of the Ki-43 & A6M.
So in essence, this is a common theme with most of the single engined piston fighters that are close or exceed the 2000 bhp power class. In this level of power the "torquesteer" applied in full power settings became so huge that only experienced pilots could apply full throttle settings in combat and be able use the performance successfully and within a relative safety.
What was the "unfortunate" for the F4U was that it was the very first single engine fighter that arrived in the 2000 bhp power class. It was not long before that pilots were used in biplanes with less the half horsepower and the transition was huge. In a sense the long career of the F4U is mostly responsible for this reputation. Both in the early days of it career and in the last days, pilots used either in biplanes or jets would find the F4U difficult.

About the comparison with the F6F. I am a fan of the F6F myself. Grumman realized the most important point for a carrier fighter is to be exactly this, carrier COMPATIBLE. Indeed, the F6F is the most docile of the "2000 bhp power class" single engined fighters.

The F4U was hugely successful in combat. In fact F4U, F6F & P-38 are the top three most successful WWII US fighters in air combat. Of course one would argue that all of them were used primary in the pacific and not in Europe as the P-47 & P-51.
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Re: F4U-1 FM
« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2019, 08:35:19 AM »

Despite the fact the trent has to login for almost a year, I feel obliged to reply. It's very annoying that someone posts a comment without

NO FULL QUOTES PLEASE !!!


It should also be noted that VF-17 was DISAPPOINTED when they had to give up their Corsairs later in the war, and THEY didn't care for the Hellcat. So a lot simply has to do with pilots trading an aircraft they're familiar with for something new.

So this bit about "pilots hated to fly it" is a load a baloney. The Marines loved 'em. Also, the F4U was quite manueverable for its size, with very effective flaps, (the first two notches were a "combat" setting) an excellent rate of roll, and exceptional rudder authority. No, you didn't want to hover around stall speed in a lufbery, but in a middle speed range (~200-250mph) the Corsair was not to be underestimated. The only reason it needed BnZ tactics in the Pacific was because it was fighting against paper kites like the Zero and Ki-43, WHICH EVEN THE F6F COULDN'T TAKE IN A TURNING FIGHT. However its handling compared much more favorably to other Western types (in fact the F4U was superior to the Mustang in everything but very high-altitude performance and endurance. There. I said it).

Honestly, there's a lot of that sort of misinformation going around because people make these comments about how the aircraft were used out of context.

Case in point, the F4F Wildcat was actually a very maneuverable little airplane. Yes, she was overweight, as many carrier-borne fighters of the era were, (even the Corsair and Hellcat) but she still compared well in a turning fight to even the Hurricane and the Spitfire (she just couldn't accelerate or climb with them). The problem was her main and most famous opposition were that same Zero and Ki-43, which were on a whole other level. Even SPITFIRES couldn't turn with a Zeke! Yet because of this, the Wildcat's reputation is that of poor maneuverability.

Anyway, does anyone have a link for that FM revision from CWatson? It seems to be gone from the post where it was mentioned.
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Re: F4U-1 FM
« Reply #18 on: January 22, 2019, 03:26:51 PM »

on aviaskins made a new FM for the Corsair, with her plane sal a formidable weapon, which was in reality
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Re: F4U-1 FM
« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2019, 05:36:57 AM »

on aviaskins made a new FM for the Corsair, with her plane sal a formidable weapon, which was in reality

Link?
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Re: F4U-1 FM
« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2019, 07:33:20 AM »

I will ask the author of the mod and if he does not mind giving a link or post a new FM here
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Re: F4U-1 FM
« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2019, 12:27:59 PM »

Here is a direct link to FM Corsair A, C, D ... FM is completely ready (in the post the author writes about the alpha version, but then he changed the post and set the final version of the FM)


http://forum.aviaskins.com/showpost.php?p=188700&postcount=1198
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Re: F4U-1 FM
« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2019, 06:30:17 AM »

Hi leopard, can you give me (us) some assistance? I have downloaded the files from Aviaskins and now have a folder named F4U-1NEW_FM, in which are two folders one named КЛАСИ and one Flightmodels. What does КЛАСИ means?
There's also a file called F4U-1NEW_FM--повышенная скороподъёмность and another named F4U-1NEW_FM dated 22-1-2019 and in folder F4U-1NEW_FM--17 м в сек a F4U-1NEW_FM dated 23-1-2019. Which ones do I use?
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Re: F4U-1 FM
« Reply #23 on: January 24, 2019, 06:48:14 AM »

the КЛАСИ folder ties the new FM to the default Corsairs ... from two FMs, one with a lowered (17 m / s) and the second with a high rate of climb heights (21-22 m / s) ... to install, simply place the entire folder in MODS ... .. used by default new FM with low rate of climb ... to use FM with high rate of climb, you need to remove the Cyrillic inscription from the second FM and put (-) in the first FM
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