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Author Topic: Gourdou Lesseure GL-32, Gl-633, GL-450 & French Bombs  (Read 26151 times)

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Narvik

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Re: Gourdou Lesseure GL-32, Gl-633, GL-450 & French Bombs
« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2012, 10:04:18 AM »

+10^10 to all "thank you" to Dreamk. SCW week on SAS1946 should be recorded to Guinners book.

One question about this aircraft. I looked at number of photos and pics of GL series planes and haven't found any wing armament (particulary those huge barrels on 450 model). Russian sources claim it was armed with 2 synchronized (not wing mounted) machine-guns. Is it historical "for Spain only" variant? Can you clear this situation?
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Re: Gourdou Lesseure GL-32, Gl-633, GL-450 & French Bombs
« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2012, 10:29:45 AM »

I looked at number of photos and pics of GL series planes and haven't found any wing armament

in some photos of 633 they are visible


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Re: Gourdou Lesseure GL-32, Gl-633, GL-450 & French Bombs
« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2012, 10:33:32 AM »

Thanks, Ectoflyer. Is this photographed fighter Spanish?
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Re: Gourdou Lesseure GL-32, Gl-633, GL-450 & French Bombs
« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2012, 10:43:35 AM »

  Sources are not generous of details http://www.airwar.ru/enc/bww1/gl633.html
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Re: Gourdou Lesseure GL-32, Gl-633, GL-450 & French Bombs
« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2012, 10:49:53 AM »

Thanks, Ectoflyer. Is this photographed fighter Spanish?

Yes it is. It has the code 'LG' on the fuselage which is the Republican code for the Gourdou-Leseurre 633.

Cheers - Redfox
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Dreamk

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Re: Gourdou Lesseure GL-32, Gl-633, GL-450 & French Bombs
« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2012, 10:54:50 AM »

As a matter of fact the original GL32 was armed with 2 cowling Vickers 7.7mm and 2 optional wings 7.7mm - a very strong armament for the late 20s (not even the thirties!)
The aircraft were decommissioned by the French Armee de l'air and stored a few years before the SCW begun. When the civil war erupted, the Spanish and Basque governemnts passed a command for such planes as they knew they had good record and could be available immediately - as a matter of fact only part of the planes were "re-activated stocked aircraft" , the Gourdou Factory re-activating its production line to complete the order with newly buil planes. In accordance to the Spanish demands the planes were furnished without armament (this was not so much a matter for the Gourdou as they were initially equipped for Vickers, but most if not all French planes from the mid-thirties onwards were equipped with 7,5mm caliber weapons, while the Spaniards used 7,7mm calibers - the assessment of the expected problems of maintainance and ammunition approvision brought the Spanish to a very logical conclusion, as Vickers 7,7 and adequate ammo were locallly produced in Spain and a standard equipment). Although Spanish sources give the armament of these planes as 2 wing mounted guns, we cannot exclude that some planes if not all were also equipped with the original cowling guns. A next update of the mod will include this option.
Bombs - which kind of bomb exactly was mounted in Spain under teh Gourdous is a matter of discussion as there is a lot of conflicting data. I decided to go after the photographic evidence and the original data of the plane (about its capacity of military load carrying) - and the conclusions are easy:
Maximum total bomb load: 200 Kg
Either a single 200Kg bomb under the fuselage, or 2x100kg under the wings struts (a GPU rack was installed there) - or 1x100Kg under the fuselage + 2x100 Kg under the wings
It is quite possible that insted of 100Kg bombs under teh wings they were equipped with 50Kg bombs, but photogarphic assessment of dimensions makes the former assumption rather valid.
BTW - most probably these bombs were not French bombs but locally produced Spanish Bombs (or even later Russian bombs - either imported or locally produced) but the as French wanted to sell their old bombs stocks, their use is quite a possibility if not a probability.
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Re: Gourdou Lesseure GL-32, Gl-633, GL-450 & French Bombs
« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2012, 11:28:15 PM »

Thanks again. Easter seems to be surpassing Christmas in the number of new planes coming out.

cheers

David Prosser

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Re: Gourdou Lesseure GL-32, Gl-633, GL-450 & French Bombs
« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2012, 05:36:59 AM »

Thanks DreamK - and anyone else involved in this sudden deluge of wonderful OLD aircraft!
We who benefit from all this creativity owe you a  mozza!!
How many nations airforces operated at least one of these planes?, and so, how many obscure "Forgotten Battles" can we now re-create?
-and has the number of French planes suddenly quadrupled?? [at least]
This is just the greatest flight sim ever. No other can touch it for resurrection of so many long-departed aviation scenarios.
& that of course, was Oleg's aim. A visionary!
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Re: Gourdou Lesseure GL-32, Gl-633, GL-450 & French Bombs
« Reply #20 on: April 11, 2012, 05:41:11 AM »

How many nations airforces operated at least one of these planes?, and so, how many obscure "Forgotten Battles" can we now re-create?

A good place to start looking for operators of these or any planes is here:

http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww15/f

Sometimes you need to do a little searching in other sections besides fighters to find the model you're looking for. But in many cases you'll find a good many operators and profiles for some otherwise obscure and forgotten planes.
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Re: Gourdou Lesseure GL-32, Gl-633, GL-450 & French Bombs
« Reply #21 on: April 11, 2012, 11:04:51 AM »

Thank's for this french plane ;)
but a little problem with the stabilizator struts


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Dreamk

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Re: Gourdou Lesseure GL-32, Gl-633, GL-450 & French Bombs
« Reply #22 on: April 11, 2012, 12:05:40 PM »

a little problem with the stabilizator struts

I will upload later a comprehensive fix, but in the meantime, you can edit manually the hier him files to correct this bug:
in hier32.him and in hier633.him, replace the current entries for [StrutsL_D0] and [StrustR_D0] by these ones:
[StrutsL_D0]
Mesh StrutsL_D0
Parent Tail1_D0
Separable
Attaching 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0.03

[StrutsR_D0]
Mesh StrutsR_D0
Parent Tail1_D0
Separable
Attaching 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0.03

In hier450.him, replace the current entries for [StrutsL_D0] and [StrustR_D0] by these ones:
[StrutsL_D0]
Mesh StrutsL_D0
Parent Tail1_D0
Separable
Attaching 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 -0.2 0.03

[StrutsR_D0]
Mesh StrutsR_D0
Parent Tail1_D0
Separable
Attaching 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 -0.2 0.03
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Re: Gourdou Lesseure GL-32, Gl-633, GL-450 & French Bombs
« Reply #23 on: April 11, 2012, 03:36:39 PM »

No problem,thank's ;)
hier modified work's fine now 8)
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