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agracier

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Italian 'New York Bomber' - Piaggio P.23.R
« on: February 09, 2012, 05:50:49 AM »
I just found a profile of this odd plane, apparently it was built as a prototype and then crashed ... it's one of those odd looking Italian designs - so different and yet artistic and off the beaten track ...

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Re: Italian 'New York Bomber' - Piaggio P.23.R
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2012, 05:59:19 AM »
Artistic but with 3 engines and no defensive gunnery turrets, I doubt it would have been very successful. Turns out to be a 1930's long range transport:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piaggio_P.23R
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Re: Italian 'New York Bomber' - Piaggio P.23.R
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2012, 06:01:25 AM »
Looking at the engine and canopy bubble sizes, it seems the pilot could barely put his head in the bubble like the first Eletric Camberras...

Do you know how men would compose the crew?
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Re: Italian 'New York Bomber' - Piaggio P.23.R
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2012, 06:02:31 AM »
Well, it looks like the Stirling has lost the ugliest bomber award :)
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Re: Italian 'New York Bomber' - Piaggio P.23.R
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2012, 06:05:18 AM »
interesting aircraft nonetheless. Looks extravagant and daring.
400 kph isnt all that good tho, and the canopies look damn small, the entire design could have been of 1935-38 time. thick wings, gears sticking out of the nacelle and stuff...
And the italians hardly planned to bomb the USA at that time...
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Re: Italian 'New York Bomber' - Piaggio P.23.R
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2012, 06:21:05 AM »
Here are a few more pics of the aircraft, along with another 4 engine bomber slated for the 'New York Raid' - a hydroplane, Cant Z.511

These are from an article in this months issue of Aero Journal, no. 27. On a planned Italian operation to bomb New York. A propaganda and prestige operation using long range existing planes ...





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Re: Italian 'New York Bomber' - Piaggio P.23.R
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2012, 06:33:56 AM »
It did not crash ... it just died of shame ... and an Fw-200 "Condor" on floats.. lets see if someone picks that up.
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Re: Italian 'New York Bomber' - Piaggio P.23.R
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2012, 06:36:21 AM »
that fat condor on floats looks slow, unmanoevrable, and with a fuel consumption of a battleship.
without the floats it would have been as graceful as a connie...
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Re: Italian 'New York Bomber' - Piaggio P.23.R
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2012, 07:00:48 AM »
And here are 2 pics of the last of aircraft mentioned in the 'New York Bombing' article, an SM96 ...



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Re: Italian 'New York Bomber' - Piaggio P.23.R
« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2012, 07:20:19 AM »
Mmmm- like the SM. 95........
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Re: Italian 'New York Bomber' - Piaggio P.23.R
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2012, 07:40:44 AM »
The CANT Z511 looks good, but where is the defensive armament ? Looks like a converted transport with all those windows... and it was employed that way, for special missions.
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Re: Italian 'New York Bomber' - Piaggio P.23.R
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2012, 08:28:46 AM »
There where no plans for defencive weapons on such long trip, drag and weight had to be reduced at a level that the biggest problem was how to bring more than 10 kg bombload
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