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Riptide_One

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Re: DOWNLOAD CHINA Starter Map Pack
« Reply #24 on: July 05, 2012, 10:47:34 AM »

I would like to see a Kumming Map. There are dramatic mountain landscapes in western China and I understand that this area was an active air combat zone up to the end of World War II.

I've tried my hand at modifying maps, but did not get far with it. My hat is off to anyone who can actually create a map. However, I would like to offer some thoughts on how developing the China maps could be approached:

Airfield Locations - After putting in the airfields for which there is least some information about, I would put in speculative airfields to make the map mission builder friendly. The speculative airfields could be textured so that they are not very noticeable from a distance. That way, if someone thinks a given airfield is inappropriate at a certain location, at least, it could be ignored. Ideally, there should be enough airfields to go around for both the Red and Blue sides. In the absence of more complete information, I think the emphasis should be on making the map readily playable.

Airfield Facilties - I suspect that most were of a very primitive nature. I would assume that all were turf or compacted earth. Those near a large city might have some sheds or even hangars. For those in more remote areas and for which there is no specific information about the airfield, I would put in only the landing strip and let the mission builder decide whether airfield facilities consisted of buildings or just a tent city.

I would put make sure the runway was flat and usable. Unfortunately, on some existing maps, not all airfields are usable.

River Crossings: It is my understanding that there were few, if any, bridges over the large rivers in China in the 1930's and 40's. So, I would put a minimal ferry landing on both sides of a river crossing on the roads between major cities.

Cities and Villages: Regarding cities and villages, I would begin by putting a street texture at the site of the city. Having a texture suggesting turf where there are non-farm type building just doesn't look realistic. It appears that the more recent maps include some kind of street texture at city and village sites.

"China" Objects - Another problem with Asian maps is that there aren't enough Asian style buildings available. The few existing Asian buildings are made for Japan. They have been used on other Asian maps because there is nothing else available. Traditional buildings in China are somewhat different. It would be a great help if someone could re-skin existing objects to create some Chinese style buildings, just like they did to create Mediterranean buildings.

I hope someone, with the ability, will take up this cause. Some China maps would be a great addition to IL-2.

Cheers,

Riptide
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Re: DOWNLOAD CHINA Starter Map Pack
« Reply #25 on: July 06, 2012, 04:47:48 AM »

The issue w the Kunming map is that it has little coverage except for the Himalayas. I think it was just taken at random wo really figuring out what the mapmaker was really getting. So just 1 or 2 airfields and a lot of very high mountains.
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Re: DOWNLOAD CHINA Starter Map Pack
« Reply #26 on: July 06, 2012, 03:48:03 PM »




"China" Objects - Another problem with Asian maps is that there aren't enough Asian style buildings available. The few existing Asian buildings are made for Japan. They have been used on other Asian maps because there is nothing else available. Traditional buildings in China are somewhat different. It would be a great help if someone could re-skin existing objects to create some Chinese style buildings, just like they did to create Mediterranean buildings.

I hope someone, with the ability, will take up this cause. Some China maps would be a great addition to IL-2.

Cheers,

Riptide

I repainted existing objects into Mediterranean style buildings for Agracier's maps. I only wanted to make a few but it turned out into 80 buildings or so and for Redko's desert maps I repainted several objects into desert ones.
Redko also requested me if it is possible to do some Asian stuff.
The point is we don't have buildings that come close to it for a repaint. And the included Japanese objects are quite cliche/stereotype.
What we need is a 3D modeler for buildings. But that's too much asked.
I think we need to deal with what we have right now...  :(
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Re: DOWNLOAD CHINA Starter Map Pack
« Reply #27 on: July 06, 2012, 05:47:42 PM »

I have a question related to houses: I would like to add a certain type of houses on a version of Ifni I plan to mod as WIP noon mod thanks to agracier and Uufflakke's beautiful work..I basically search for modern houses farang65's ElSalHonNic style (the skyscrapers), only flatter.

Sort of Mediterranean row houses ca 30ms (max) in height, do we have anything like this in our modded objects database?

Just skipped the objects base in both FMB and FMB+ and at least we seem to have a huge load of possible options, only most of them rather WWII style European house blocks.
Thank you again...back to work. :D
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Re: DOWNLOAD CHINA Starter Map Pack
« Reply #28 on: July 06, 2012, 06:41:35 PM »

The Formosa map in this pack, is more usable than agracier's, in DBW, because of mainland China.

I used my pathetic map building skills to copy many of his airfields to this map, so that I can fly patrols from Penghu island, west of Formosa, to the mainland.
My skills at airfield leveling are so bad, that working on this map, caused my head to catch on fire, from the effort.

I wish that somebody who actually knows what they are doing, would work on this map.
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Re: DOWNLOAD CHINA Starter Map Pack
« Reply #29 on: July 06, 2012, 07:59:44 PM »

To my above post:
I think I found an excellent alternative with SE Houses by Uufflakke and DesertHouses by Uufflakke. ;)
The house blocks are just right. :D
Carry on gents ;)..
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farang65

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Re: DOWNLOAD CHINA Starter Map Pack
« Reply #30 on: July 06, 2012, 08:21:20 PM »

Hi Guys,

just letting you know I went crazy there in the early beginnings after I made Mannam Island from Kevin P's tutorial.

Some start up maps were just made to see how they looked in FMB+

With the Formosa map I chose a bit of mainland china

Some maps are 75 pixals some maps are 100 pixals.

Did these a few years back.

Made alot of others as well.

In regards to China maps we do need a 3d guy to come up with an amzing China Objects pack.

Cheers Kirby
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Re: DOWNLOAD CHINA Starter Map Pack
« Reply #31 on: July 07, 2012, 12:02:20 AM »

Regarding China buildings, I believe it is true that a modder with 3-D skill would probably be needed in some cases. For example, maybe a 3-D modder would be needed for a town entrance like the one below.



The roof tops of temples and other buildings do include details that a I suspect would require 3-D work.









The same could probably be said for a Chinese style pagoda like the one below.



However, I think that some existing buildings in IL-2 could simply be re-skinned to look like many traditional Chinese buildings found in rural China even today.


(In the picture above, I am referring only to the single story house in the foreground)



Here's a example of a traditional, old village that in time got surrounded by large city.



I think the structures of these buildings closely resemble some houses included in IL-2. All that is needed is to change the object's skin a little.

Below is a example of a village house roof.



I think it would be great to have buildings that look the part on our Asian maps. Note that the buildings shown above are also applicable to Korea and I think other parts of Asia as well.

Cheers,

Riptide



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Re: DOWNLOAD CHINA Starter Map Pack
« Reply #32 on: July 07, 2012, 06:41:04 AM »

I think Riptide is right, hope a skinner can give those buildings a go.
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Re: DOWNLOAD CHINA Starter Map Pack
« Reply #33 on: July 07, 2012, 06:56:38 PM »

Hmm, those could be the Slovakia urban houses with brickwork instead of plaster and tile roofs. Just a cosmetic change.
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Re: DOWNLOAD CHINA Starter Map Pack
« Reply #34 on: July 07, 2012, 08:11:41 PM »

mandrill,

Yes :)!

Cheers,

Riptide
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Re: DOWNLOAD CHINA Starter Map Pack
« Reply #35 on: July 13, 2012, 02:33:19 PM »

These are online photo collections. Perhaps they can help w map design and objects.

http://hpc.vcea.net/

http://hpc.vcea.net/Collection/Warren_Swire
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